100% agree with handguns.
I was speaking for long guns.
But then this begs the question: Why should SOP's and mindset be different for either.
Dmr/ precision ar type trigger
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I was speaking for long guns.
But then this begs the question: Why should SOP's and mindset be different for either.
I have owned a ton. TriggerTech Diamond 2 stages at around 2lbs are on my "precision" gas guns...6arc and 6.5cm.
In terms of your story about almost shooting a guy. What was in his hands? A gun? A trigger? Nothing?
Was he a threat? Or was he not a threat?
Every ROE I've ever had always starts with "The right to defend yourself, teammates, and US Government property". And that's not inconsequential. It's the basis for target discrimination and shooting in those environments. We're not playing Kim's games with people's faces. Is the person you're encountering as you clear your critical coner, collapsing your sector, moving to and through your point of domination or supporting your #1/2 man a threat to you or not? You determine that 9 times out of 10 by looking at the hands. You can see a person's eyes, body movements, and how they're bringing their hands into action what their intent is. It's really hard to kill someone with nothing in your hands.
This particular instance: It was night. I was under "higher spec" PVS-14's. He was running at me from the other side of a barrier as I came up on it. He had a radio in his hand, and some random bag slung cross body. It all happened pretty fast, but my mindset went from, "get a solid first shot before hammering more in rapid succession" to "I don't think this guy is a threat" to "this might be our guy". My change of mindset happened as I was picking up details, which all took place in maybe a second.
Sorry OP.
I didn't mean to hijack your thread.
So he wasn't an immediate threat to your life. You recognized that you didn't have to end him there.
What was happening with your trigger should've been unconnected at that point.
Perceive. See movement, see a person in your sector, sense a presence.
Recognize. Look at the hands. Does he have something to kill you with or not?
Acquire. First shot from the depressed muzzle. 0.7 secs. It's called a CTE. Critical Task Eval. It's a standard because it provides a planning factor to design scheme of maneuver. In this case, enter and clear a room.
The three general positions with the rifle are low ready, high ready, and depressed muzzle. The standard for a first round from depressed muzzle on a modified kill zone (about a playing card) at 7 meters is .7 secs. That is with your rifle on safe and finger off the trigger. There's no need to point your gun at something or someone, switch the selector lever to fire, and start taking up slack while you're still trying to determine if someone or something is a threat.You can clear a sector faster with your eyes than you can "garden hosing" with your rifle. If you watch professionals do CQB you won't see them waving their guns around, miming their primary and secondary sectors.
If you enter a room and confront an armed combatant, a threat, one of two things is going to happen at that distance. One of you has the drop on the other. Whoever has already initiated the cognitive process to engage is probably going to win, barring shitty marksmanship. Which is why you maintain initiative and violence of action with flashbangs and follow them into a room. I've done a ton of force on force CQB. Meaning against skilled shooters. I have learned over the years that if a skilled shooter has already initiated an engagement on you, your going to take a round. Generally 1 of 4 people in a cell take rounds in a single room of force on force. Against skilled shooters. You're not going to short cut that by almost pulling the trigger on everything you immediately see. It's why we conduct 4 man CQB with overlapping and interlocking sectors of fire. The only area in a room you have to clear by yourself is your critical coner as a #1 or 2 man. Hence why it's essential to dig your corner as you break the threshold.
There's no single stage vs two stage to any of the above. This is straight out of formal and professional CQB at a fairly high level. The type of trigger you use matters not in any of the above.
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Fair enough. I see you have plenty of schoolhouse experience. And you're not wrong about what you're saying.
As temped as I am to explain my rationale for what I did as a younger man 15years ago, I feel that we are taking away from what this thread is intended to do.
I also have 27 years of experience behind these concepts. But we can certainly defer to the hobbyists to explain their preferences.
Well as a hobbyist I would be glad to tell you why you are both wrong - hold my beer while I regale you with knowledge I've gleaned from YouTube...
Lol.
I tried and failed many times as an instructor to have the discussion of "preferences" with students.
Me: "Here's the technique" * Explains, demonstrates, looks expectantly at student.
Student: "Well, I prefer this"
Me: "Here's the deal dumbass. I'm going to teach you ______. You're going to practice it until you can prove(via a must pass graded event) that you can do it and you'll pass this course. If you can't, you'll fail."
There's reasons behind certain things that aren't just preference. When someone just speaks to preference you can tell they don't have meaningful context and experience behind "the why".
Well well well my good man, the chaps and I down near Hereford prefer 3-stage triggers. The 3rd stage actually pours me a dry sherry she’s quite the chavie
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