You don't need a Kestrel but they are nice to have. I prefer using a Kestrel over using an app, and the data is very solid. There are plenty of shooters that get by without a Kestrel.New to this Long range shooting.
Trying to understand all this weather related stuff, ballistics, etc.
Mr Lowlight is talking about Weaponized math.
Does a new shooter really need a Kestrel besides?
I shoot out to 800 regularly and haven’t noticed any real change in Dope in different weather. Maybe .1 +\-So if I could Shoot from 100 yards out to 1000 yards in 100 yard increments, and record how many mills elevation i needed on my scope to be on at those yardages, then record the weather condition at that time. I would have Dope right?
Then I have to adjust for the weather conditions ,ie. Temperature, treasure, humidity etc the next time i would shoot those same ranges. The Kestal would give me the corrections for those new conditions in a nut shell type of question??
Talking Strictly talking elevation here , not wind .
Assuming I get that dope in near still wind conditions.
Am I thinking correctly basically?
I know I have to go to some classes that would really explain all this but for now just asking.
Sorry for the dumb questions just trying to understand this better.
i always tell people, it takes a lot more change than most realizeI shoot out to 800 regularly and haven’t noticed any real change in Dope in different weather. Maybe .1 +\-
I am shooting at the same location every time though.
Kestrel will show DA in weather mode.Does Kestral give you what the density altitude is ?
Whats the formula for Density altitude?
How does one know what this is?
Well the apps and kestrel have been around for a long time and are still relevant unlike most of the electronics like computers.ok
If I'm shooting 1 to 2 different places in the same state wishin 1000 feet of elevation of each other it sounds like the adjustments would be fairly minimal. As a new shooter i'll probably have more issue with wind than Elevation as long as I get all my come ups using actual dialed in adjustments. Still would be fun to have and experiment with.
I just hate buying electronics, the day you buy them there is always something better out.
Appreciate all your inputs.
My .2 if you want it. I’m pretty new to it as well (4 years-ish) a kestrel will save you lots of frustration and yeah it’s important to go get hard data and you’ll have to match your data to your kestrel output but it’s also nice to go shoot and not have to do a science experiment everytime flipping through your book. And every boomer is going to say “just go shoot” which is great and all but acting like shopping for gear isn’t just as fun and having nice things doesn’t make it more enjoyable is a real head in the clouds approach. I’d recommend getting a 5700 with 4dof, but watch people use them and explain them on YouTube and see if it’s kind of what you’re wanting. I like the 4dof because I love the Hornady app and you can link them. Buy what you want but also “go shoot” you don’t have to shoot a raggedy old .308 and a 10x mk 4 lol you can buy nice stuff before or during your “go shoot” period it’ll make you like it that much more. Whipping out the old weather channel app isn’t always very accurate.I appreciate all your responses by the way, I have a lot of questions and I appreciate you guys enlightening me.
Agreed.I’m going to sort of disagree with everyone. Yes, your rifle and a milling scope are all you HAVE to have, (not including DOPE, because that’s a given) but the two things in my hand other than the rifle are a range finder and my Kestrel. In a match or otherwise it’s confirm range to the target and wind first. Yea, it’s “nice” to know the range to your target. It’s also “nice” to know the true wind and atmospherics...
Everything is always a guess. The range finder and the Kestrel give you solid data to make your guess far, far more accurate, and therefore your rounds far, far more accurate.
Yes, I can shoot without them, but I never do, because good data makes for a good guess, and getting impacts makes me happy. Misses piss me off. Every single time I hold my Kestrel in my hand I make a guess before I look at it. I can tell you for certain that my wind-calls without a Kestrel have gotten exponentially better because I use one every time I shoot. From using a Kestrel so much I NEED one less and less, because it makes my unaided guesses better and better. I hope that makes sense because it’s pretty straightforward.
You don’t have to get the 5700 with the solver and Bluetooth included. Any anemometer is better than nothing, but I would bet your shooting would seriously improve if you went full boat and learned how to use all the functions. Most of the time I’m just looking at wind direction and speed, and checking the density every hour or couple of hours. I really only use the full functionality when shooting by myself, and seeing what kind of solution it presents compared to my unaided one. I put it in the vane on a tripod, and send everything to my phone right next to me. It gives you everything right there; still amazes me.
In conclusion you don’t have to have one to shoot, but if you are a serious marksman who wants to improve you “need” one...just like you need a new rifle in an obscure caliber!
Probably 70-85% of the time where I shoot going off of wind at shooters location is leaving hits on the table.No.
But realize that if you are competing, you are leaving hits on the table.
Not when it’s time for coffee or a good fart.Do you even really need to shoot?
Agreed. As anybody versed in long range will tell you.
LolAgreed. As anybody versed in long range will tell you.
I was shooting this spot in Western Oregon yesterday. Where I was shooting from it was dead calm, yet I was still holding about 1.2-1.5 mils to get impacts.
Shooting down across several canyons from high up makes it even harder to tell what the wind is actually doing.
That's when making an educated guess and spotting that first shot becomes really important.