<span style="font-weight: bold">I recently purchased an AR-57 upper with a six inch barrel. Do any of the manufacturers offer a bare lower receiver that is already registered as an SBR so I don't have to send my lower away and have it engraved?</span>
Does anyone offer a registered SBR AR lower?
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Re: Does anyone offer a registered SBR AR lower?
Either you send it to an engraver (cost me $30, and took 20 minutes) or you have a class 3 dealer charge you his fee on top of the $200 tax stamp, and the lower sits with him 5 or 6 months.
Either you send it to an engraver (cost me $30, and took 20 minutes) or you have a class 3 dealer charge you his fee on top of the $200 tax stamp, and the lower sits with him 5 or 6 months.
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<span style="font-weight: bold">My class III dealer is very reasonable and I really don't care to see the name of my trust engraved on the receiver.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">My class III dealer is very reasonable and I really don't care to see the name of my trust engraved on the receiver.</span>
Re: Does anyone offer a registered SBR AR lower?
uhm, what do you plan on seeing engraved on the SBR then? just curious. you could keep it out of the trust and put your name on it, but its one or the other i think. just fill it it with alumablack or similar. you could get it done smallish so its not very noticable if thats your concern, but its gotta match your paperwork
uhm, what do you plan on seeing engraved on the SBR then? just curious. you could keep it out of the trust and put your name on it, but its one or the other i think. just fill it it with alumablack or similar. you could get it done smallish so its not very noticable if thats your concern, but its gotta match your paperwork
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">uhm, what do you plan on seeing engraved on the SBR then?</div></div> The name of the manufacturer I would guess. That's what he's after.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">uhm, what do you plan on seeing engraved on the SBR then?</div></div> The name of the manufacturer I would guess. That's what he's after.
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forgive my ignorance as i dont have an SBR. i may be getting one, so thats why i ask. but every lower will have the name of the manufacturer wouldnt it? ahh, after looking i see what he is looking to avoid. being the "manufacturer" of the SBR
forgive my ignorance as i dont have an SBR. i may be getting one, so thats why i ask. but every lower will have the name of the manufacturer wouldnt it? ahh, after looking i see what he is looking to avoid. being the "manufacturer" of the SBR
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> AXEMAN wrote: ahh, after looking i see what he is looking to avoid. being the "manufacturer" of the SBR</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Exactly!</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> AXEMAN wrote: ahh, after looking i see what he is looking to avoid. being the "manufacturer" of the SBR</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Exactly!</span>
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Lazy wants to say something but would rather stay shut.........
Lazy wants to say something but would rather stay shut.........
Re: Does anyone offer a registered SBR AR lower?
<span style="font-weight: bold"> If I ever wanted to sell it, I’m sure that someone would rather buy a receiver stamped with Colt, SunDevil or BCM on it rather than have my personal name and address or the name of my trust and address engraved on it. </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"> If I ever wanted to sell it, I’m sure that someone would rather buy a receiver stamped with Colt, SunDevil or BCM on it rather than have my personal name and address or the name of my trust and address engraved on it. </span>
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sell? a firearm? now thats gonna require some explaining
and again curse you lazy and your little gun too
sell? a firearm? now thats gonna require some explaining
and again curse you lazy and your little gun too
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Screw it, here it goes........ATF requires it be engraved with the MFG city,state,caliber, and serial #. Pick up any of your weapons and tell me what you see? You'll see all the info I stated, now lets say you have a cnc and you were making your own receiver. Now you've become the mfg and by law all info has to be engraved as required. Most people engrave their receiver for that "just in case" and others just received wrong info.
Screw it, here it goes........ATF requires it be engraved with the MFG city,state,caliber, and serial #. Pick up any of your weapons and tell me what you see? You'll see all the info I stated, now lets say you have a cnc and you were making your own receiver. Now you've become the mfg and by law all info has to be engraved as required. Most people engrave their receiver for that "just in case" and others just received wrong info.
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Buy the 6933 and sell the upper to recoup some of your costs: http://www.policeguns.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5702
Buy the 6933 and sell the upper to recoup some of your costs: http://www.policeguns.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5702
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Screw it, here it goes........ATF requires it be engraved with the MFG city,state,caliber, and serial #. Pick up any of your weapons and tell me what you see? You'll see all the info I stated, now lets say you have a cnc and you were making your own receiver. Now you've become the mfg and by law all info has to be engraved as required. Most people engrave their receiver for that "just in case" and others just received wrong info. </div></div>
BUT, if I remember correctly: if you file the BATF form 4 REGISTERING a lower reciever as an SBR, YOU become the MFG and YOUR info has to be put onto the lower. Even though you didn't do anything but fill out the form, since the lower was originally registered as a rifle or pistol, registering one as an SBR constitutes manufacturing one, UNLESS you buy one that is already an SBR, which the OP stated as what he's wanting to know.
EDIT: with that said I think there are multiple places that the BATF allows you to put your info, one being in the trigger well, which you'll only be able to see if your looking for it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Screw it, here it goes........ATF requires it be engraved with the MFG city,state,caliber, and serial #. Pick up any of your weapons and tell me what you see? You'll see all the info I stated, now lets say you have a cnc and you were making your own receiver. Now you've become the mfg and by law all info has to be engraved as required. Most people engrave their receiver for that "just in case" and others just received wrong info. </div></div>
BUT, if I remember correctly: if you file the BATF form 4 REGISTERING a lower reciever as an SBR, YOU become the MFG and YOUR info has to be put onto the lower. Even though you didn't do anything but fill out the form, since the lower was originally registered as a rifle or pistol, registering one as an SBR constitutes manufacturing one, UNLESS you buy one that is already an SBR, which the OP stated as what he's wanting to know.
EDIT: with that said I think there are multiple places that the BATF allows you to put your info, one being in the trigger well, which you'll only be able to see if your looking for it.
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BCM sells registered SBR complete lowers. Already registered as a SBR with BATF&E from them, no engraving required, just a $200.00 stamp tax to the BATF&E and the obbligatory waiting for the Form 4. They cost the same as their standard completed lower recievers.
BCM sells registered SBR complete lowers. Already registered as a SBR with BATF&E from them, no engraving required, just a $200.00 stamp tax to the BATF&E and the obbligatory waiting for the Form 4. They cost the same as their standard completed lower recievers.
Re: Does anyone offer a registered SBR AR lower?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Kahlendrrari wrote: BUT, if I remember correctly: if you file the BATF form 4 REGISTERING a lower reciever as an SBR, YOU become the MFG and YOUR info has to be put onto the lower. Even though you didn't do anything but fill out the form, since the lower was originally registered as a rifle or pistol, registering one as an SBR constitutes manufacturing one, UNLESS you buy one that is already an SBR, which the OP stated as what he's wanting to know.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"> Kahlendrrari hit the nail on the head. A friend of mine purchased an UZI that had been converted to full auto back when that was permitted. Just like with an SBR, the person or company that converted it had to put all of their info on it as well and it looks hokey. I will, however, have my GSG-5PK engraved before I attach a folding stock to it.</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Witch Doctor wrote: BCM sells registered SBR lowers, already registered, no engraving required, just a $200.00 stamp tax to the BATF&E and the obbligatory waiting for the Form 4 </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"> Thanks Witch Doctor…..That’s the information that I’m looking for! </span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Kahlendrrari wrote: BUT, if I remember correctly: if you file the BATF form 4 REGISTERING a lower reciever as an SBR, YOU become the MFG and YOUR info has to be put onto the lower. Even though you didn't do anything but fill out the form, since the lower was originally registered as a rifle or pistol, registering one as an SBR constitutes manufacturing one, UNLESS you buy one that is already an SBR, which the OP stated as what he's wanting to know.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"> Kahlendrrari hit the nail on the head. A friend of mine purchased an UZI that had been converted to full auto back when that was permitted. Just like with an SBR, the person or company that converted it had to put all of their info on it as well and it looks hokey. I will, however, have my GSG-5PK engraved before I attach a folding stock to it.</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Witch Doctor wrote: BCM sells registered SBR lowers, already registered, no engraving required, just a $200.00 stamp tax to the BATF&E and the obbligatory waiting for the Form 4 </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"> Thanks Witch Doctor…..That’s the information that I’m looking for! </span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold"> Any others? </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"> Any others? </span>
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POF-USA sbr's receivers out to the proper dealers.
POF-USA sbr's receivers out to the proper dealers.
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Wouldn't it be tricky to sell SBR lowers only? The OAL of the weapon must be included on the form, if selling as a receiver only how would they determine the OAL? Is there no requirement for OAL if the receiver is manufactured originally as a SBR?
Wouldn't it be tricky to sell SBR lowers only? The OAL of the weapon must be included on the form, if selling as a receiver only how would they determine the OAL? Is there no requirement for OAL if the receiver is manufactured originally as a SBR?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wouldn't it be tricky to sell SBR lowers only? The OAL of the weapon must be included on the form, if selling as a receiver only how would they determine the OAL? Is there no requirement for OAL if the receiver is manufactured originally as a SBR?</div></div>
From what I have read over on ARF.com, and m4carbine.net (yeah I know....), most people just put the barrel length down as 7 inches, that way they can go all the way down, and not have to fill out another form. I guess once you SBR a lower swapping out uppers doesn't count as "permanant modification to the firearm" but I guess if you don't have the lower SBR they can hammer you with "Intent to build a NFA controlled item" or some such. It's a really stupid way to go about things IMHO
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wouldn't it be tricky to sell SBR lowers only? The OAL of the weapon must be included on the form, if selling as a receiver only how would they determine the OAL? Is there no requirement for OAL if the receiver is manufactured originally as a SBR?</div></div>
From what I have read over on ARF.com, and m4carbine.net (yeah I know....), most people just put the barrel length down as 7 inches, that way they can go all the way down, and not have to fill out another form. I guess once you SBR a lower swapping out uppers doesn't count as "permanant modification to the firearm" but I guess if you don't have the lower SBR they can hammer you with "Intent to build a NFA controlled item" or some such. It's a really stupid way to go about things IMHO
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Your correct, when you fill out your Form 4, you list the intended barrel length that you are planning to build and the corresponding overall length. Whatever length you register, you should have a complete upper of that length. If you register a length, and choose to go shorter later on, it is a simple letter of adendum to the BATF&E referencing the new length.
Your correct, when you fill out your Form 4, you list the intended barrel length that you are planning to build and the corresponding overall length. Whatever length you register, you should have a complete upper of that length. If you register a length, and choose to go shorter later on, it is a simple letter of adendum to the BATF&E referencing the new length.
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High Caliber Sales can help you out with LMT SBR registered rifles/lowers.
Email works best for details....
Kevin
High Caliber Sales can help you out with LMT SBR registered rifles/lowers.
Email works best for details....
Kevin
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If you are fillinmg out a Form 4 the barrel length has already been decided for you, and you cant change it on a form 4. (A SBR receiver had a caliber, barrel lenth, and OAL assigned at time of manufacturing and will be listed on the Form 3) I had mine kicked back twice for this reason.
If you are doing a Form 1 YOU the manufacturer will have to decide on barrel lemgth yourself, as well as engrave the rifle in one of several locations with your info.
If you are fillinmg out a Form 4 the barrel length has already been decided for you, and you cant change it on a form 4. (A SBR receiver had a caliber, barrel lenth, and OAL assigned at time of manufacturing and will be listed on the Form 3) I had mine kicked back twice for this reason.
If you are doing a Form 1 YOU the manufacturer will have to decide on barrel lemgth yourself, as well as engrave the rifle in one of several locations with your info.
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has anyone had issues with redi-mags or grip assists covering stuff thats not supposed to be covered? i found a place that engraves them for people. look at their locations for the engraving
http://www.orion-arms.com/gun-engraving/short-barrel-rifle-engraving-locations.html
has anyone had issues with redi-mags or grip assists covering stuff thats not supposed to be covered? i found a place that engraves them for people. look at their locations for the engraving
http://www.orion-arms.com/gun-engraving/short-barrel-rifle-engraving-locations.html
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BimotaBiker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">My class III dealer is very reasonable and I really don't care to see the name of my trust engraved on the receiver.</span> </div></div>
Could you have your dealer build you a SBR using your upper then form 4 it to you?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BimotaBiker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">My class III dealer is very reasonable and I really don't care to see the name of my trust engraved on the receiver.</span> </div></div>
Could you have your dealer build you a SBR using your upper then form 4 it to you?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">has anyone had issues with redi-mags or grip assists covering stuff thats not supposed to be covered? i found a place that engraves them for people. look at their locations for the engraving
http://www.orion-arms.com/gun-engraving/short-barrel-rifle-engraving-locations.html
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Axeman... Orion is GTG for an engraver. They do all mine and I've NEVER had a problem. Even though they are local to me, I still need to ship them my lower and go through the same wait times as everyone else. For me, their work is WELL worth it! As far as redi-mags and grip assists... Don't know as I don't use either.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">has anyone had issues with redi-mags or grip assists covering stuff thats not supposed to be covered? i found a place that engraves them for people. look at their locations for the engraving
http://www.orion-arms.com/gun-engraving/short-barrel-rifle-engraving-locations.html
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Axeman... Orion is GTG for an engraver. They do all mine and I've NEVER had a problem. Even though they are local to me, I still need to ship them my lower and go through the same wait times as everyone else. For me, their work is WELL worth it! As far as redi-mags and grip assists... Don't know as I don't use either.
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Noveske has a deal going if you have a Lower of theirs and buy an SBR upper you can send your lower back for Factory SBRing.
But question, if you go through the whole process, and pay the $200 why would you want to unregister it and sell it? If you are looking at spending the money, why would you want to throw the $200 away? Just stick to 16s if you have any intention of selling.
I'm married to mine and I love the shorty already. THat's why I have no problem sporting my name and city on it.
Oh I had mine engraved by Thunder Beast Arms here in Cheyenne WY. I dropped it off, picked it up later that afternoon. Awesome work that Shane did. Great guy!
Noveske has a deal going if you have a Lower of theirs and buy an SBR upper you can send your lower back for Factory SBRing.
But question, if you go through the whole process, and pay the $200 why would you want to unregister it and sell it? If you are looking at spending the money, why would you want to throw the $200 away? Just stick to 16s if you have any intention of selling.
I'm married to mine and I love the shorty already. THat's why I have no problem sporting my name and city on it.
Oh I had mine engraved by Thunder Beast Arms here in Cheyenne WY. I dropped it off, picked it up later that afternoon. Awesome work that Shane did. Great guy!
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One does not actually paper just the lower on a SBR, instead the "system" is papered. Since you can make temporary changes, and most AR type upper swapping is very temporary, one can almost act like the lower is papered ... but is still the system.
Another option that some of the guys have gotten is one of the factory Colt 14.5" SBR packages (6920?)
Myself always like the 10.5" Commando version but the pictured 11.5" (6933)is probably the better option w/o a suppressor or moderator as the case maybe. In any case keep coming back to the M4 on the M16A1 and most of the shooting ends up being done with a 20" HBAR flat top and Aimpoint.
Also when making a SBR on a Form 1, one can mark the barrel or upper with your name (i.e. trust etc.) if you wish, last I saw from the BATFE, thus giving you another option (except uppers are nearly the same cost as lowers and barrels tend to cost more ;-).
Link to ATF Letter on SBRs
One does not actually paper just the lower on a SBR, instead the "system" is papered. Since you can make temporary changes, and most AR type upper swapping is very temporary, one can almost act like the lower is papered ... but is still the system.
Another option that some of the guys have gotten is one of the factory Colt 14.5" SBR packages (6920?)
Myself always like the 10.5" Commando version but the pictured 11.5" (6933)is probably the better option w/o a suppressor or moderator as the case maybe. In any case keep coming back to the M4 on the M16A1 and most of the shooting ends up being done with a 20" HBAR flat top and Aimpoint.
Also when making a SBR on a Form 1, one can mark the barrel or upper with your name (i.e. trust etc.) if you wish, last I saw from the BATFE, thus giving you another option (except uppers are nearly the same cost as lowers and barrels tend to cost more ;-).
Link to ATF Letter on SBRs
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<span style="font-weight: bold"> All of your input is much appreciated! Thanks everyone! </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"> All of your input is much appreciated! Thanks everyone! </span>
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I have a couple designated PISTOL Lowers . Can they be submitted as SBR's if I choose to go that route ??
I have a couple designated PISTOL Lowers . Can they be submitted as SBR's if I choose to go that route ??
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