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Does this look to far back to you?

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steelglass

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Minuteman
Mar 27, 2010
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#1
Ok so I initially had my scope mounted quite a bit further up than this. After looking at some of lowlights/SH videos on youtube about getting strait behind the rifle I found that I had to crane my neck way up to get a decent site picture. I changed my eye relief so that when I lay down behind the rifle it feels natural I guess but my question is: Does this look really far back to any of you? I have looked at a bunch of pictures of rifles and haven't seen scopes this far back before. Maybe its just me. Scope is a Millet TRS-1 on a 10fp.

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#5
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

If I try to get too straight I wind up with my chin jammed into the stock; I've seen people do it, though.

It took me a long time, too long in fact, to figure out my body geometry and match it to a LOP, eye relief, bipod height, cheek rest height, body ground position. Now I can lay down on the rifle, quickly achieve NPA and proper eye relief, and be comfortable.

Short answer: yes, that looks too far back, unless you are very tall. The eyepieces on both of my bolt guns are a little less than an inch behind the rear tang of the receiver.
 
#6
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

it's definately too far back for me, but i'm not shooting it.

in the end, does it matter how far back it is? as long as your eyebrow isn't bleeding, you are geting a good sight picture, comfortable, good cheek weld, and hitting the target well, what does it matter?
 
#7
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

Well most of the reason I am asking is because I am by no means an expert at any of this stuff yet so a general consensus usually helps in determining if I am way off it my thinking or not.
 
#9
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

to me, it looks too far back. but its gonna matter most how it works for you. look down. i have the same rifle, different stock and the same scope. look at my sig picture
 
#11
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

Ya AXE I went straight to your sig picture before I even posted
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Do you think I just need to adjust my positions more? Should I pull my right shoulder (right handed) back more?
 
#13
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

you may need to adjust the LOP of the stock. maybe add an inch or two the end of the stock. what i did was make the scope fit where i brought the rifle to shoulder while i was standing. as far as getting comfortable behind the rifle, i just got up off the floor and its still good for me except i need to raise the comb so i have a cheek weld and not a chin weld. i dont want to contradict anyones advice but its gonna be up to you ultimately to get a position or form or stock where your comfortable. just now i discvered i have a rib that digs into the flat floor and feels like im laying on a rock and after a few minutes my neck hurts and i gotta put my chin on my chest to stretch it. but anyway, its not that your gonna get hit in the eye cause you will have to maintain eye relief. but i think that the butt of the stock will be so far away from your shoulder you wont be able to support the weapon properly. i would put the scope where its in the right spot to shoot standing and adjust the to that position. and then your gonna have to see if you need the stock lengthened with a but pad spacer and a cheek pad to raise your head when you get in position. i just make do, ive never been "sized" or fitted for a stock. its weird cause standing my shoulders arent square to the target while prone they are supposed to be. i just dont think you can shoulder that and get your head on the stock and have enough eye relief. but i could be wrong. im pretty new to prone and highpower shooting

oh and i dont know if its right or wrong, but i like to have the rings as far apart on the rail as possible or is practical. i feel its better support for the scope. i only move them in closer if i cant get the scope set to my eye relief and position. again, im no pro
 
#14
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

Scope looks like it needs to go forward an inch in the rings, maybe too close for making adjustments. I would be concerned with rubing my fingers on the rings when i need to make corrections. Just my 2 cents.
 
#16
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

if your 6' tall im thinking your neck isnt fully extended nor in a natural position.
you may want to recruit a friend to adjust the scope when you are in the prone position, you with your eyes closed trying more than anything to get comfortable without being distracted by finding /focusing on a sight picture. open your eyes and have him move the scope to your liking, more than likely it will have to go forward at least 3"
 
#18
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

I don't know if its a coincident, but when I get my scopes properly set, the turrets are centered over the ejection port. But yeah, do the eyes closed test as mentioned above, wnen you open them, everything should line up with enough eye relieve.
 
#19
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

Well I ended up moving it back up. Its slightly further back then what I originally had but only by about a third of an inch. I am going out to shoot today so I will do some experimenting.
 
#20
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

axeman,

<span style="font-style: italic">"after a few minutes my neck hurts and i gotta put my chin on my chest to stretch it."
</span>

I'm 50+ years and my body doesn't tolerate bullshit like it used to. I cannot achieve a low prone position; my neck won't let me, it starts hurting almost immediately, back-of-the-head muscle pain, the kind that brings on a real intense headache. My head has to be up straighter, and this brings me higher off the ground, necessitating a higher bipod. On my AICS I can still use a Harris 6-9" but it is one notch shy of being fully extended. But if I do this I can be comfortable for quite awhile. The other thing is, I wear corrective lenses, and so I have to be rigorous with cheek placement / eye placement and eye relief. If I try to achieve this by screwing my head onto the rifle unnaturally, it hurts.

OP: the message is, IMO, <span style="font-style: italic">adapt the rifle to you</span>. I started with LOP, then bipod height, then cheek placement,<span style="font-style: italic"> then</span> scope mounting and eye relief. If you try to smash yourself into a position that is recommended by others but which is uncomfortable for you, you'll hurry shots and you won't like where they go.

Edit: more on the LOP fight. I fooled around with cheapo stock extension kits on Rem stocks, etc, but wound up buying a Tubb adjustable buttplate. Best $125 I ever spent. It let me find exactly what LOP felt right for me and let me finally achieve a comfortable position.

http://www.superiorshootingsystems.com/OTHER_ACCESSORIES-Tubb_4_way_Adjustable_Butt_Plate.html
 
#21
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWRichmond</div><div class="ubbcode-body">axeman,


OP: the message is, IMO, <span style="font-style: italic">adapt the rifle to you</span>. I started with LOP, then bipod height, then cheek placement,<span style="font-style: italic"> then</span> scope mounting and eye relief. If you try to smash yourself into a position that is recommended by others but which is uncomfortable for you, you'll hurry shots and you won't like where they go.

</div></div>

This is great advice that many shooters either don't do out of inexperience or lack of knowledge. Many people mount a scope then fit their rifle. Wrong answer. Always fit your rifle for lop, then cheek weld and finally last btu definitely not least after the rifle can be mounted consistantly mount your optics/sights. After you do this then you can truely decide what height rings you might need (sorry sometimes the lowest will not work for everybody) and proper eye relief spacing. If you do this people will be suprised at how much more consistent and better their shooting will become. REMEMBER *FIT THE RIFLE TO YOUR BODY NOT YOUR BODY TO THE RIFLE! their is not one size fits all in shooting.
 
#22
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

Try this.....
Keep your eyes closed, get on the gun, get comfy, get relaxed. Once you are in the comfy zone, open your eye......right there is where the scope is in its sweet spot. When in doubt, lather, rinse, repeat. Try a cheek piece ( a towel wrapped over the stock) to see if you need it. Like said before, low rings are not always the answer. What has been said is this, make the gun fit you and not vice-a-versa. Happy Shooting and let us know.
 
#23
Re: Does this look to far back to you?

i went with the lows and i still need to add height to the stock. ive got a stock pack and a karsten. we will see which works. ideally everybody would start off with a fully adjustable mcmillan. not everybody does. thats why i have to modify my stuff or spend the $800 on a new stock. or make do with what i have, which is what i usually do. like i said i dont shoot prone alot, so we will see whats up in the future. but for now, ill adapt to my equipment until i can afford to change it
 
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