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Dog died. Think it was poison

kilo7788

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My German shepherd died the other day. He was only 4. I am not home and wont bee for a while so this is all the information that I got from my wife. She said that he had diarrhea and was acting funny after dinner one night and she let him out. The next morning she let him out and he was still acting lethargic and weird and he had started puking something that was bloody fleshy. She had to run to the store and she was going to take him to the vet. She let him out and he laid on our patio and didn't move. she gave him water and went to the store. She was back 20 min later and he was dead. He never had any seizures or any other nervous system reactions. Does this sound like coyote poison? I was told that the county is putting it out. I am so pissed right now. Just need some answers. I have never been too shook up about any of my dogs but this one was the best!poison? I am soo pissed right now. Just need some answers.
 
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Yeah sounds more like anti-freeze, and a heavy dose at that.

How close are neighbors?

My dad is always complaining that Las Cruces is growing, the rocket center, new wal-mart, new racetrack in EB where he lives - he went there to get away from all that kind of stuff.

Sorry for your loss but would definitely get a necropsy done and find out if it was some super advanced cancer or poison...
 
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I wanted to get a necropsy doen but my wife said we couldn't afford it on top of getting him taken care of. He never left the yard. My wife checked my garage for open bad stuff and my neighbors stuff was all locked up. The flower bulb sounds kind of right but I dont know where he would have gotten one. What about catusus(sp)? I am just freaken out becsaue I am over here in hell and I can't do anything about it.
 
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The ethylene glycol doesn't have to be from a vehicle.

"Potential sources of ethylene glycol in the environment include antifreeze (the most common source of ethylene glycol poisoning), air-conditioning coolants, brake fluid, heat exchange fluids from solar collectors, and fluids used in color film processing."
 
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Terribly sorry for the loss.

Although it doesnt sound like it would have helped him, I think I'd be having a discussion with the wife. What the F-k was so important at the store!?? If that was one of mine we would have been at the vet most riki-tik!
 
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Without springing for a necropsy this is all just speculation and is pointless. I would drop the coin, if for nothing else it would provide peace of mind and potentially eliminate any future treats...
 
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I agree with Shot ... it may also have been a gastric tortion, which GSD's can develop along with other deep chested breeds. My dad lost his 130 lb completely healthy GSD within 6 gours due to one a few years ago. The cause of that tragedy was rhe dog ate a big meal and filled up on cold lake water before laying down... and developed bloat. But poison or physical issue you'd need a post mortum to know for sure.
 
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Sago Palm is also a possibility. Every part of the plant is poisonous. One of my guys lost a dog to it earlier this year.

If it's any consolation, even if he was at the vet a lot earlier, his chances may not have been even 50/50. Same with parvo and other things like frogs, yes frogs, some are real bad for dogs.

Not coyote bait or cyanide bait, 'yotes are dead in 30 feet from the trap. We are up over 25 on our place this year, very effective.

Sorry for your loss, I am dog-less myself at the moment, but have a new red-headed 10 month daughter to make up for it.
 
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Man, I hate to hear this. One of ours acted similarly one morning before we went to work. I happened to look out the back window and watch him trying to walk back up towards the house. I opened the door and called his name. Willie sort of looked up at me, tried to wag his tail and just fell over.

I took him to the vet and called the office to tell them I'd be late. His liver enzymes were through the roof. IIRC, the vet said they're supposed to be around 30 and his were at almost 900 (#'s might be off but it was that far out of range). They got him back on track during the day and kept him a night or so to monitor him.

The doc told me to check the yard for mushrooms, signs that there might have been bait (ie meat etc.), snake skins, and for carcasses of an unlucky critter he might have caught. Really anything out of the ordinary. We did find some mushrooms and the vet was almost 100% that was the cause.

I also agree w/Sniper CJ. The store can wait.
 
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How much is the Necropsy? I get paid tomorrow but I will pitch in some if it will help. I know times are tough right now. I may be out of a job in 2 months but you need to know in case you get another dog. Can't stand to see them suffer.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How much is the Necropsy? I get paid tomorrow but I will pitch in some if it will help. I know times are tough right now. I may be out of a job in 2 months but you need to know in case you get another dog. Can't stand to see them suffer.</div></div>

Mechanic, you're always willing to help members here. Its cool how someone helps a complete stranger the way you do and I will also pitch in if it helps.
 
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I too am a dog lover having 5 boxers and 1 American bulldog and three horses. I just recently lost my job but I will survive. It would kill me to lose any of mine for some unknown reason much less knowing. I will do whatever is needed to help in funding the necropsy. I may not be able to give a lot but I am pretty good at getting people to help in certain times of need. I assume that you are serving in the sandbox for our rights and freedom? The least we could do is give to this for your dedication. Mechanic,Lazy we need to start a fund for this. How can we get it together? I probably have extra gear,parts and other stuff that can be sold to raise some extra coin for the cause. Any ideas? Tommy
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bondoscustomz1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I too am a dog lover having 5 boxers and 1 American bulldog and three horses. I just recently lost my job but I will survive. It would kill me to lose any of mine for some unknown reason much less knowing. I will do whatever is needed to help in funding the necropsy. I may not be able to give a lot but I am pretty good at getting people to help in certain times of need. I assume that you are serving in the sandbox for our rights and freedom? The least we could do is give to this for your dedication. Mechanic,Lazy we need to start a fund for this. How can we get it together? I probably have extra gear,parts and other stuff that can be sold to raise some extra coin for the cause. Any ideas? Tommy</div></div>

we could send funds via paypal
 
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Technically, all deaths are due to heart failure. The heart <span style="font-style: italic">always</span> stops eventually.

I know this may seem unsympathetic now, but with time, you will come to understand that dead is dead, and adding additional complexity and consequences to that basic fact will <span style="font-style: italic">only</span> increase the torment.

Let it go.

Greg
 
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I understand what you mean Greg but I am just looking at the possibility of finding something that may cause additional deaths to other dogs or animals. If it was say torsion or something completely unrelated to a man made cause then that is fine also. I am sure time is running right now as to having his dog uncooled.

And thanks Lazy21 you're not so bad yourself.
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Greg, I agree with you except for one point. He will want to have other pets and he needs to know what has caused this. As a responsible animal owner or a parent for that matter,you need to know if there is a danger lurking. It could be anything that caused it and it may have been his time but it would be irresponsible to endanger another loved one. Do you agree? T
 
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I appreciate the offers to help me with the Necropsy. I was trying to get rid of a pistol to cover it but the body is already gone from the vets. I am simply blown away by your support and willingness to help me out. I am trying not to stress my wife out anymore by pressing the issue on her but I plan to run everything I know by a MWD vet if/when one stops by in my area. Other than that yes it is all speculation. I also have my neighbor checking everything else since he and a few others that live in a half mile from me all have dogs.

Again thank you I would have never expected the response that I received.
 
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sorry man, id pitch in too. i dont come in this section too much. these posts make me cry. it sounded like parvo. that stuff is deadly. stay focused over there man, we will mourn for you
 
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Sounds like it but I have 2 other dogs that are fine. One leaves and comes back all the time. The other has to stay chained or she will leave and not come back for days.(Great Pyranese breed standard) And the bad thing is my Shepherd was the most up to date on his shots.
 
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I would want to find out what caused his death. It will prevent future issues with other pets. If you have kids it could harm them as well.

This may sound cross (not meaning anything negative) but why would your wife leave him repeatedly when he acted sick? If he had the poops I would have run him to the vet given he could have been severely dehydrated, the puking would have alarmed me as well, especially if it was bloody. And to leave him outside, while you run to the store, while he is suffering, is a little questionable.

I hope you get to the bottom of your pets health issue. I love my dog, and would want to know what happened. Sorry for your loss of a friend. Take care.
 
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Any snakes in your area? I have a friend that just lost a dog to a cottonmouth bite and the symptoms sound almost identical. My Dobie kills a lot of snakes and it worries me that he'll eventually get hit.
 
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Kilo,

First; sorry for the loss. He was a beautiful dog.

Did you wife notice any blood in his stool and did she notice if it smelled reeeeeally bad? (Yes everyone, I know dog shit already smells, but was it reeeeeeally funky?)

If so, it sounds a little like Parvo to me. It usually affects puppies, but can be caught by adult dogs. It's highly contagious and can stick around your property long after your pet is gone. (I'm talking years)

-Pat
 
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Is there cottonmouths in New Mexico?


I have 2 other dogs and if he had parvo I would think that they would have it as well. My wife was very specific about the parvo vaccinations be cause she has delt with it before.

She said he just smelled like death and that the stools were just more liquid than anything else.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338$</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would want to find out what caused his death. It will prevent future issues with other pets. If you have kids it could harm them as well.

This may sound cross (not meaning anything negative) but why would your wife leave him repeatedly when he acted sick? If he had the poops I would have run him to the vet given he could have been severely dehydrated, the puking would have alarmed me as well, especially if it was bloody. And to leave him outside, while you run to the store, while he is suffering, is a little questionable. </div></div>

I'd say it's more than a little questionable.
 
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Didn't necessarily need to be a cottonmouth. Even a baby rattler can kill a dog. The friends of mine actually witnessed the snake strike their dog. They were playing in the yard and saw the dog (a Jack Russell) messing with the snake under a bush and the snake bit him on top of the head.

It took them a bit of running around to find a vet that had anti-venom on hand. About 4 hours had passed before they could find some and during this process the dog had the squirts, bloody vomit, lethargic and generally strange behaviour. Snake venom can digest its victim from the inside including the stomach and intestinal linings depending on the snake...this could also explain the smell since a hemotoxin will destroy cell walls causing them to decay. The bite left no apparent marks on the dogs head as it was a juvenile with very small fangs.

After several doses of anti-venom the dog passed. Just something to consider if there are a lot of venomous snakes in your area. Had these people not witnessed the bite and killed the snake they would have never guessed this to be the cause as it does closely resemble poisoning...technically speaking it <span style="text-decoration: underline">is</span> poisoning.

A jack russell is small and it lived for around 5 hours. A large dog such as a Shepard if only given a small dose of venom (something left to the snakes discretion) might live for 12-24 hours.
 
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A couple of years ago I lost my German shepherd to a ruptured spleen and her symptoms sounded similar. She was active and seemed healthy on our daily walk and then she disappeared which was unusual for her. I called for her and she finally appeared. She was walking like it took everything she had to walk to me. I thought she had jumped a deer and was tired from the chase (she was 11 years old), but I had to carry her to the house. She wouldn't eat and just layed on the floor next to me (to late to take her to the vet). The next morning first thing I took her to the vet. After examining her, he said he suspected that her spleen had ruptured and that her chances were very slim and it would be very expensive to save her, but doubted that she could be saved. I had her put to sleep, and afterwards the vet put a syrenge in her stomach area and withdrew a bunch of blood and he shouldn't have if she were healthy. The vet told me that ruptured spleens were common for German shepherds.
This may be a possibilty of what happened to your shepherd.
I'm very sorry for your loss, because I know I still miss mine.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kilo7788</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there cottonmouths in New Mexico?


I have 2 other dogs and if he had parvo I would think that they would have it as well. My wife was very specific about the parvo vaccinations be cause she has delt with it before.

She said he just smelled like death and that the stools were just more liquid than anything else. </div></div>

THere are rattlers there big time - my dad has killed a few and he hates killing anything - hell he's stopped on the highway to let them cross.

LOTS of rattlers there - ESPECIALLY in Las Cruces...(DIdn't you meet my dad/buy a firearm from him?)

Still sorry for your loss, hell of a beautiful dog!!

 
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sorry for your loss, my family lost a black lab shelter dog last year due to a neurological disorder. just one day fell over and had a couple seizures and passed. He was about 4. I will mourn the day i loose my pit for the rest of my life. I've had him almost 14 years now and he's my best friend. Women come and go, But Rocco stays eternal.
 
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Very sorry to hear of your loss. Would like to help you out but we are so far away, all i can really do is pray for his spirit. On a lighter note my cat just had some kittens abt 2 hours ago. so goes the cycle of life and death. It is so crow hop