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Doing it in Russia

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That system isn't Swedish, although Saab makes a similar one. It's a Swiss LOMAH (Location of Miss And Hit) system that senses where the bullet impacts on the target and displays it on a screen at the firer's location. It's a proven system that has been used in the Olympics for 40 years, several Army and Marine Corps bases use it as well.
 
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Can't find a Bobro bipod anywhere in the CONUS, and yet some asshole in Mother Russia has one on his DTA? I'm not even going to ask how...
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Upon further review, a few thoughts come to mind...

There must be some truly impressive amounts of money tied up on that firing line, particularly for Russia. Is DDTC allowing Nightforces and DTAs to be shipped over there? Last time I heard anything on the subject, they were prohibiting rifles from being exported with threaded muzzles - clearly including several of the ones shown that came from the US.

Only two semis shown in attendance - due to Russian laws, or lack of availability?

No suppressors visible anywhere on the line. Either they haven't discovered their usefulness, or they're completely prohibited. For a group of guys who have clearly spent enormous amounts of time and money acquiring gear, one would suspect they would have cans were there any possible way to do so.

Eye protection is clearly not required on the firing line in Russia. Apparently vision is expendable, just like the Red Army. For that matter, earpro looks to be optional, or at least held in fairly low regard. In several photos it appears the shooter isn't wearing any at all (or else has some extremely small inside-the-ear hearing-aid style plugs), and in quite a few you can see people on the line with one earmuff pushed up. Lack of concern, lack of education, or just cultural differences?

Is Nightforce running some sort of massive marketing campaign in Russia or what? I lost track at 8 or 9 of them on the line, out of about 16 shooters. 3.5-15s, 8-32s, even one or two benchrest models...

Not that it's strange to see competitors using reloads, obviously, but there don't appear to be any individuals using commercially-loaded ammunition in any of the photos. 8 or 9 of the shooters have reloading trays of ammo visible, presumably handloads. No domestic market for commercial match ammo, or just none visible?

It's easy to say that their targets look bad without any context, but the overall description of the match, the COFs as described, and the appearance of several target arrays shown, are rather suggestive. The time limits are relatively long (Two minutes to fire one round on a 400 meter gong?), and the distances relatively short (650 meter maximum). One or two positional stages, but nothing shown from barricades, nor any stress events. Not enough information shown on the targets to tell how good the best shooters really are, though.

Not a single lefty on the range, so far as can be seen. Not impossible, statistically speaking, but improbable. Military conscription forcing everyone to learn to shoot right-handed? No weak-side shooting positions in the match either, for that matter.
 
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Firstly there is a world outside US borders you know...
People outside US borders can and will shoot too...
Sniper tradition in Europe/Russia is also a fact and not Apple's invention...


Secondly not everyone on the planet appreciates all the "protection and gadgets" your capitalistic/consumer oriented system throws at you or considers them as needed. Obviously you are not married since you should have known that accumulated stress from firing does a lot of good for your marriage in the long run.

And lastly to have so many NF scopes in Russia should be highest appraisal one outside Russia could get (from them) as obviously NF is without a doubt rugged and good scope if Russians are willing to buy them in numbers (those from ex eastern block will appreciate the sentiment of "ruggedness" in reference to Soviet equipment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMC mustang</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That system isn't Swedish, although Saab makes a similar one. It's a Swiss LOMAH (Location of Miss And Hit) system that senses where the bullet impacts on the target and displays it on a screen at the firer's location. It's a proven system that has been used in the Olympics for 40 years, several Army and Marine Corps bases use it as well. </div></div>

http://www.sius.se/ Ohhh well it´s a Swiss-Swedish enterprise, a lot of the hardware is made here, in Västerås of all towns. Besides that a whole lot of the products are for swedish/Scandinavian use only, were else will people shoot running target.

Besides that, the system as a whole is great, it can be portable or contained to a range of set distances.

I think and feel that the system is second only to steel and it will give instant feedback on shots and there is no down time at the range for scoring.

As for the comp it self, we all have to start somewhere and at times the creativity is limited by ones own experiences or the participants level of skill.

Some of the best non US shooters are from Finland and states like Croatia, Hungary etc.

/Chris
 
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I think it's pretty neat seeing how other guys set up their kit and how different courses of fire are presented. Sure, the match doesn't look like some of the more dynamic run and gun type stuff you see here, but who cares, they're out shooting.

I also see that TAB GEAR was represented well since I saw our slings, bags, and rifle covers in some of the pictures. That's cool to see.
 
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There is some serious NightForce love going on in Mother Russia! I wonder if they are against USO based on the name alone lol
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We should be less interested in how well they shot or the COF but that they were shooting a comp at all. That is awesome and we should do what we can to encourage and support our past time where we can.
 
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I belive that all nations shooters are doing there best within there legal and practical limits to shoot as much and as sporting/challanging as possible.

Here is a webpage of a swedish event that has taken place a few times, http://swedishriflery.se/index.php/remmene-challenge/the-video

If you watch the film clip, do turn of the sound for the first 2-3 minutes, that is just my advice. /CHris