DPG Action Update 5-19-25
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Gotcha, yea i was asking because of the height. Hated yhe height of my 419 base on my custom CZ's back when I was doing them. I never played with the MDT CZ bases.
Enjoy your soup! Post up your gunsmiths name so that if I ever find myself with $1800 to loan someone for 13 months for a toy that looks just like several others I own with questionable and subjective measurable performance differences, I’ll know to not engage with him!
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You where only 4 months in and throughly knew about my leadtimes before ordering as I personally have discussed that with you via conversations. If you want to continue to publicly talk about this. I will exercise my privacy policy so folks can read both sides of the story that we had a private discussion
No need to be sour and continue deformation of my name and shop, if you feel your investment is being "used for my venture capital to make this action", your expirence is a perfect example that I have no problem refunding so you can feel secure about your investment elsewhere. No risk with our shop. We answer emails and calls right away, and you guys have no problem getting a hold of us to discuss any subject matters with your builds unlike other shops.
Folks let's stick to the topic of this post please. Any other request, concerns, im an email / call away.
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You would have shit a brick waiting on suppressors a year until a while back
Allow me to wipe my tears from my eyes. Ok. I’m better now.
This will be my last post on this topic unless someone brings me back into it. If you are going to quote me, quote me correctly. Look up working capital and then look up venture capital. I mentioned the former, not the latter.
And for your recollection and everyone else’s benefit, I wished you well after you unilaterally decided to refund me.
Just finished up finalizing and testing the firing pin assembly.
Edited: also just got the Form 2 approval, time to burn serial numbers!
Edited: also just got the Form 2 approval, time to burn serial numbers!
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Just getting caught up here.... New Action looks great Kenny! Keep up the hard work.
60 degree bolt throw, technically prefittable due to a certain feature which allows to adjust out tolerances and action tennon threads are timed and mill turned
I will be allowing shops to build off these after taking a 2 day course. This is efforts to ensure the end client receiving the rifle will have the same quality and customer service we uphold. As well as lower leadtimes. Shops with advance machining capabilities that we will vet, will ensure tolerances are met, extractor cuts done right and will have access to use our barrels.
Is a thread muzzle an option?
I know some accuracy folks do not like threaded muzzles.
That said, i am just a random guy who likes cool stuff, is usually willing to spend the money on it, does not compete, and likes to shoot as quietly as possible on the patio underneath the back porch.
I know some accuracy folks do not like threaded muzzles.
That said, i am just a random guy who likes cool stuff, is usually willing to spend the money on it, does not compete, and likes to shoot as quietly as possible on the patio underneath the back porch.
Yes, with a mtu barrel / sendero. I machine an Anchutz style 1/2x28 thread to keep the bore at the crown behind the threads and mitigate opening up
Family buisness. 3 employees directly for now. DP Cerakote, my son owns that now and runs that.
My family has been in aerospace manufacturing for 73 years. We have a fairly large shop in San Jose, CA that I occasionally will utilize for some rapid prototyping. Though I'll be manufacturering everything in our own shop. Just have that in my playing cards in case I ever need
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One of those is going to be my barreled action. I’ve had Kenny make me several Vudoos, multiple CZs, and a RimX, even several Center fire builds. His stuff is meticulously done and he literally touches every component to guarantee his builds.
He can confirm, but I’m a relentless SOB with respect to accuracy. He’s never once not delivered and met my expectations. I’m not going to hold anything back once it shows up.
He will get every bit of feedback good and bad to ensure he’s improving these before they go into full production.
I’m updating this because he’s literally putting in 20hr days to get these done. I’m impressed he’s so far ahead of where he thought he would be by months not days.
I’m posting these because I hope you guys are as excited as much as I am. I’m lucky and beyond fortunate to get to test one. I’ll have a friend put up several YouTube videos and even post up my thoughts.
These are exciting times from the situation just a few weeks ago. Mike Bush will have several new actions coming out. There will be no shortage of Rimfire excitement this year and we all win.
Well one thing is certain, you won't find us dabbling into the 1911/2011 realm. To much well established competition there. We know how that turned out for one company in particular lol.
Through design and testing of these designs, continued perfection, investment in machining and eventually more employees. One machine and one person can built more than you think a day
Love it ,can't wait to get a lefty .Love the 11mm rail idea. I have a dozen scopes with 419 and MDT rails on em.Slide off a Vortex GE in ,slide on a Cronus or a Day/Night therm in seconds, very little correction,sometimes none with 419.I run 419 and extra high ARC M10 ring for NRL ,better on neck ,looking through glasses,not fighting the rim of glasses on low props.
It’s Alive!
First pics with all the latest updates, and a video is on the way.
It’s one good looking Rimfire rifle.
The current setup is using Vudoo mags for now. That’s a result of getting this ready for Texas next month.
First pics with all the latest updates, and a video is on the way.
It’s one good looking Rimfire rifle.
The current setup is using Vudoo mags for now. That’s a result of getting this ready for Texas next month.
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That shit looks sexy AF raw..
Genesis… catchy..
Also, is that a shoot house or playhouse?
Genesis… catchy..
Also, is that a shoot house or playhouse?
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First official video for your viewing pleasure.
Let’s walk before we run. First action made, refinements come from testing , don’t you agree?
You never know, maybe I'll have Randy come on here and explain...
I don't understand why you continue to have a dick measuring contest. Your Asian like me, except Im more beans than rice so Im sure to win like I did by 0.64 of a point at Usery X Match LOLOL RUB IT IN Click Here.. Are you still holding that grudge on me?. You can call me everything in the book you want, except a liar! I think I proven myself enough at this point.
Why continue to come on these forms, banter about me like your shiz don't stink? Like white on rice. It sucks to be so negative all the time looking at your replies to everyone here. Literally zero help to our community WTF Victor V... Disappointing summarizes what I can say after meeting you and now seeing this on the forms
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Not so sure why your constant criticism seems necessary? You have always seemed to me a good dude but to be honest your envy is painted all over every post. Take a hike..... The only people you are trying to impress are the guys on here that don't matter anyway. Being a douche on the internet is worth exactly ZERO points at a match!
I normally wouldn't partake in this type of banter back and forth on the internet. But, in this situation if you cant respect what Kenny is bringing to the table for all of us as shooters you are a special kind of stupid.
I see the same type of comments directed towards JD. I know JD personally and he is probably one of the best guys you will ever come across in life. The dude will give the shirt off his back to help people and he is also a Veteran.
This place is mostly haters of the game you cant win... I said what I said!!!
Kenny keep up the good work dude.... Phuq em!!!
All of the aforementioned site members have been negative at some point particularly in the most recent couple months. Plenty of passive and direct bashing in other threads. Passion fuels emotion. No big dick contest here, I’m Portuguese so I lose by default….. just calling it how it’s seen.
Good thing we’re talking about a hobby with toy 22’s… no lives in danger, no mortgage at stake…
It’s entertaining seeing all these action updates from the various manufactures. Feels like a race to the moon.
I dont want to get into splitting hairs here. While I appreciate your opinion mostly what was construed as bashing was simply facts that hurt feelings. I realize there is lots of ego here and I am not innocent either. What I cant understand is why the negative comments seem to always be directed in a manner towards someone that is literally trying to grow the community and live the American dream. I have dealt with most all of the Top Rimfire builders in some form or fashion and you will never see me on here bashing anyone. I hope all of these companies continue to grow and prosper. Its good for all of us..... Yall carry on as you were. Just my 2 cents!
Kenny, I'm not actually disagreeing with your achievements. Your rifle did hold some records at Lapua, and I spoke with Ryan on it. And I am looking forward to seeing your custom built action achieving more records as well. It makes sense, custom built, custom chosen barrels. So while I might be playing with it being done next month, I'm not debating the fact that your rifles have shot well at all. Clearly Shayne, Matt, and many others like J_D are winning comps with your rifles, and given they have any option in the world to shoot, and they choose yours, it means something.
Yes you did beat me at Usery
It was impressive to watch you manhandle that unsupported offhand stage that I totally barfed on lol.I think your venture into all of this is only helping the sport, so all good on that front. What I'm generally a little irked by, and that's me, is just some of the social media that got all this started. It's like why I don't like Lebron James, not that he isn't a really good player, I just can't deal with it after he made that whole publicity stunt on "The Decision."
Your very first videos that started DPG and Eagle's Nest stuff, was all about shitting on Vudoo.
The next big set of videos recently was all about shitting on Zermatt.
I just don't like that kind of rhetoric is all. And yeh maybe that also turned me onto a little bit of an internet forum troll, though I actually don't think anything I've said is actually very ill willed.
My last comment about 1911 and being custom is very true, I see 1911s like Atlas, costing $6000, hand built, hand fitted. I can get a budget 1911 at $1000. Then there's an in betweens at $3000. In the rimfire world we now have Bergaras at $650. RimX's at $1150, and Vudoo's at $1450 (well used to). We get Anschutz at $4000-5000. Given the time and work I'm watching your shop do, I was expecting your actions to probably be in the 2-3k range, or why not charge it like Anschutz too. Like you said you're running a business, hand fitting, hand testing, and building every single part, and zero outsourcing. It's not like Vudoo is making hand over fist in money, and that was them outsourcing work.
But anyhow, sorry for any shade, you haven't done any harm to me, so don't deserve anything from me either. Same with @Shayne Ward and others, no ill intentions. I do honestly feel like @J_D cheerleading is a little over the top. Not to say he's a bad person by any means, maybe the sweetest person on earth, but it's just a little over the top
All good brother. Maybe “over the top” is the Brazilian side coming through. Progress that’s been made on this is impressive and I’m a huge supporter. His rifles have tremendously upped my game. I have lots to improve on but lack no confidence in my gear. For an old man I’m doing OK.But anyhow, sorry for any shade, you haven't done any harm to me, so don't deserve anything from me either. Same with @Shayne Ward and others, no ill intentions. I do honestly feel like @J_D cheerleading is a little over the top. Not to say he's a bad person by any means, maybe the sweetest person on earth, but it's just a little over the top
I was born here, but both parents were born and raised in Brazil. I speak and read Portuguese.
Reading between the lines and sentences, let me emphasize on a few key points and what's behind the business curtain as well as boths sides here. The term "bashing" has been incorrectly been used against me. For one, bashing a company means stating false claims, business practices or false statements about a product.. If you can find anything I said that was false, I welcome that notice and have no problem correcting as im not ego driven.
What folks don't see is the discussions I had 8+ months prior to even coming public about the situation with Zermatt. Look at my past videos, for 3+ years I have publicly and freely promoted the product over others. Build thousands of Rim-X rifles, left a good career at the Railroad and made a mistake building a company off someone else's product. With the issues not addressed for over 8 months, I was left with over $110K of rifle components unable to move because of this issue, nearly putting me out of buisness. So excuse me if I have a lil pepp in my walk and tone in my voice, I think its justified . As months went by with PR responses and total neglect, my clients became more impatient and had to make the moral decision. I have Zero to gain having addressed this publicly, infact it has costed my shop thousands. BUT, I had made the choice to become the voice for my clients. Because of my doing, a forced resolution and acknowledgement was made within weeks. Im glad to see folks get a resolution, even though till this day, 24 actions sit on my shelf with the same issue and no further support. Let this be a reminder of which shops decided to burry their head in thier profits and ignore the problem. I continue to receive emails and calls complaining how their gunsmith neglected this issue and till now, how do you think I acquired photos from other people with this issue???, actions are still being sold with this defect until inventory is moved out
Now with Vudoo, I've always gave credit to the main designer of the V22 action, Mike Bush. What I have stated in my videos, again, was the defect of whom ever built the rifles and the dozens of emails I still get to this day with testimony of the poor customer service and poor shooting rifles folks received from Vudoo. Nothing about the action! Come to find out Vudoo just outsourced everything and recent events is a testimony of how the company ran under its mismanagement and confirmation of the many who have/had issues. Said this to Pauls face with the dozens of complaint emails I printed out for him at SHOT 2023. Ive done nothing but perfect flaws on everyone elses products and of course im no exclusion to this, its all how its handled in the end and how you want to reflect on your clients.
Unlike others, I do not take in client provided parts because of the mass experience in fixing gun plumb rifles just to get a baseline to build off of. Finding filed down construction nails as trigger pins, ball point pen springs in lieu of proper factory tensioners, JB weld in places id never even thought was possible, Seized factory barrels on the action, pure neglect of maintenance, these are just some off top of my head. I cant even imagine the lead times If I allowed gunsmithing ontop of my work load currently
As for prefits, I could have easily entered that game, especially since I craft my own barrels and I'm not subject to barrel manufacture leadtimes any longer. I would actually make a killing doing so. I simply dont do it because I can confidently say I have no problem out performing any prefit out there and I choose to have my business name reflect my craftsmanship for those willing to wait. Not chase profit. Also I see to much tolerance variance despite the advertised ability to prefit. In today's time, folks expect instant gratification and product soon as they pay. I remember a time I waited 3 years for Bob Marvel to hand fit my custom 1911 before it was nighthawk customs.
Now this form was a recommendation and request of my clients to address the issues stated above. I have unfortunately came across the relentless defenders that do not have the time, experience and investment I do. Even admins who have zero buisness providing their biased opinions, even though they are not gunsmiths and clearly have an investment promoting/ defending and selling their favorite vendors products.
This form needs change, and it starts with the individuals who are emotionally driven and aimed to cause conflict, not resolution or help to others. If your vision is like mine and you want to seek positive change and rebuke companies taking advantage of thier consumers, sacrificing quality but still selling at high prices then your welcome to follow.
This project of mine was evoked as a solution I see needed for my clients. I did this in less than 3 weeks if you where following. From idea, draft, cad modeling and 3D prints over a year ago to now a near perfected production. 99% of the folks I talk to is what motivates me, that last 1% are the trolls that hang around to see my demise. That puts me into overdrive.
What folks don't see is the discussions I had 8+ months prior to even coming public about the situation with Zermatt. Look at my past videos, for 3+ years I have publicly and freely promoted the product over others. Build thousands of Rim-X rifles, left a good career at the Railroad and made a mistake building a company off someone else's product. With the issues not addressed for over 8 months, I was left with over $110K of rifle components unable to move because of this issue, nearly putting me out of buisness. So excuse me if I have a lil pepp in my walk and tone in my voice, I think its justified . As months went by with PR responses and total neglect, my clients became more impatient and had to make the moral decision. I have Zero to gain having addressed this publicly, infact it has costed my shop thousands. BUT, I had made the choice to become the voice for my clients. Because of my doing, a forced resolution and acknowledgement was made within weeks. Im glad to see folks get a resolution, even though till this day, 24 actions sit on my shelf with the same issue and no further support. Let this be a reminder of which shops decided to burry their head in thier profits and ignore the problem. I continue to receive emails and calls complaining how their gunsmith neglected this issue and till now, how do you think I acquired photos from other people with this issue???, actions are still being sold with this defect until inventory is moved out
Now with Vudoo, I've always gave credit to the main designer of the V22 action, Mike Bush. What I have stated in my videos, again, was the defect of whom ever built the rifles and the dozens of emails I still get to this day with testimony of the poor customer service and poor shooting rifles folks received from Vudoo. Nothing about the action! Come to find out Vudoo just outsourced everything and recent events is a testimony of how the company ran under its mismanagement and confirmation of the many who have/had issues. Said this to Pauls face with the dozens of complaint emails I printed out for him at SHOT 2023. Ive done nothing but perfect flaws on everyone elses products and of course im no exclusion to this, its all how its handled in the end and how you want to reflect on your clients.
Unlike others, I do not take in client provided parts because of the mass experience in fixing gun plumb rifles just to get a baseline to build off of. Finding filed down construction nails as trigger pins, ball point pen springs in lieu of proper factory tensioners, JB weld in places id never even thought was possible, Seized factory barrels on the action, pure neglect of maintenance, these are just some off top of my head. I cant even imagine the lead times If I allowed gunsmithing ontop of my work load currently
As for prefits, I could have easily entered that game, especially since I craft my own barrels and I'm not subject to barrel manufacture leadtimes any longer. I would actually make a killing doing so. I simply dont do it because I can confidently say I have no problem out performing any prefit out there and I choose to have my business name reflect my craftsmanship for those willing to wait. Not chase profit. Also I see to much tolerance variance despite the advertised ability to prefit. In today's time, folks expect instant gratification and product soon as they pay. I remember a time I waited 3 years for Bob Marvel to hand fit my custom 1911 before it was nighthawk customs.
Now this form was a recommendation and request of my clients to address the issues stated above. I have unfortunately came across the relentless defenders that do not have the time, experience and investment I do. Even admins who have zero buisness providing their biased opinions, even though they are not gunsmiths and clearly have an investment promoting/ defending and selling their favorite vendors products.
This form needs change, and it starts with the individuals who are emotionally driven and aimed to cause conflict, not resolution or help to others. If your vision is like mine and you want to seek positive change and rebuke companies taking advantage of thier consumers, sacrificing quality but still selling at high prices then your welcome to follow.
This project of mine was evoked as a solution I see needed for my clients. I did this in less than 3 weeks if you where following. From idea, draft, cad modeling and 3D prints over a year ago to now a near perfected production. 99% of the folks I talk to is what motivates me, that last 1% are the trolls that hang around to see my demise. That puts me into overdrive.
