Dr. Ben Carson...hope nobody gets too pissed off

[fili.herrera]

Somebody to really watch out for...hopefully...a hopeful person for our rights

The Second Amendment:

“But the real reason that they put it [2nd Amendment] there is recognizing that there could come a time when our government itself could go off the rail, and could try to dominate the people, and the people would need a mechanism of defense for themselves."

“I would never allow the Second Amendment to be jeopardized.”

"I used to think they (guns) needed to be registered, but if you register them they just come and find you and take your guns."

"If we were only concerned about external forces, then we would be okay, but there are some pretty sinister internal forces."

"I truly believe in Second Amendment rights. I would never advocate anything to interfere with Second Amendment rights; however, I do think we have to be intelligent."

"We need to engage in a discussion about, 'Is there something we can do?'" (about keeping guns away from criminals and mentally ill people.)

"We have to keep in mind that law-abiding American citizens absolutely should have gun rights."

“To threaten the Second Amendment rights of ordinary American citizens is itself insanity. Those wishing to ban all assault weapons fail to understand the original intent of the Second Amendment.”

"What we need to be able to do is to sit down and have a discussion about, 'Is there a way to ameliorate that situation and is there a way to keep weapons out of the hands of people who are mentally ill without compromising any provision of the second amendment.'"

 

[flirtinwithdisaster]

My grandparents first turned me on to Carson last year and he would have my vote in a heartbeat. He seems like an upstanding and very intelligent man. I would definitely like to see more of him in the right places.

 

[Mark williams]

He is a wise man and will get my vote as well.

 

[G5guy]

The last that I heard from Dr. Carson was that he had some caveats to the 2nd amendment. If you lived in the country, semi-automatics (AR types) were ok, but not so much for city folks. What scares me is that he is using his own bias toward a constitutional right. Is he evolving? Is he becoming a politician? What would this audience like to hear? Other than that, I like him and will continue to watch and listen to him.

G5guy

 

[fili.herrera]

I'm guessing time will tell to see if he becomes consumed by the political machine or if he maintains the humble, even tempered, extremely smart man that we know him to be in the medical community.

 

[Remoah]

Its a multifaceted issue. One of the big things the US could do to stop those with mental illness aquiring guns is universal primary healthcare- that way people with serious mental illness (Personality disorders, Schizophrenia ect) would at least be identified and therefore authorities could do something to prevent them from acquiring firearms.

But if you want full libreterian gun rights (no registration of shooters and firearms) you're going to find it difficult to keep firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill and criminals.

 

[bowhuntr09]

Carson is good in most things, but the 2A is not one of them!! He has specifically stated that the type of weapon you own should be determined by your geographic location. I believe his example was if you live in a city you should not have access to the same types of guns as someone who lives in a rural area.

 

[Remoah]

Dr. Ben Carson...hope nobody gets too pissed off

Fili.

Coming from the medical field (though from a different country and discipline), i think its hard for people to go from being a doctor to a politician.

A doctor goes by science, what is proven is fact and they stand by it regardless of public opinion- politicians are swayed by public opinion.

 

[MAGUA]

He's just another SPOILER for the Republican candidate.

 

[supercorndogs]

Its a multifaceted issue. One of the big things the US could do to stop those with mental illness aquiring guns is universal primary healthcare- that way people with serious mental illness (Personality disorders, Schizophrenia ect) would at least be identified and therefore authorities could do something to prevent them from acquiring firearms.

But if you want full libreterian gun rights (no registration of shooters and firearms) you're going to find it difficult to keep firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill and criminals.

yea good idea no room for government corruption there.[sarcasm] criminals will obtain guns no matter what is done short of destroying every gun on the planet. then the criminals turn to knifes and you must defend yourself with a knife. although i assume in your country like england you will be prosecuted for defending yourself or property. pacification. let the criminal do what he wants and he will not hurt you. this serves only criminals. empirical right to bear arms and defend ones self not good for criminals when people exercise those rights. you can keep your aussie gun control. we dont need or want it

 

[Remoah]

Dr. Ben Carson...hope nobody gets too pissed off

i never said anything about criminals and taking away your guns. That'd require background checks and firearm registration, and perhaps requiring firearms owners to secure their firearms and ammunition, which i am well aware is something US Citizens do not wish to give up and am not suggesting they should do so anytime soon- the crime rate is currently too high for that to be practical and YES, criminals will rule the streets if that became the case.

All i'm suggesting is that the two concepts; fully libertarian gun rights AND the inability for mentally unwell people and criminals to get guns, are mutually exclusive and it's a choice Americans will have to make.

Don't worry, the scary Australian man isn't here to steal your guns and liberty

 

[fili.herrera]

Got to get us a midget.

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BAHAHAHAHAHA!!! love that one!

 

[fili.herrera]

Fili.

Coming from the medical field (though from a different country and discipline), i think its hard for people to go from being a doctor to a politician.

A doctor goes by science, what is proven is fact and they stand by it regardless of public opinion- politicians are swayed by public opinion.

I definitely share your thoughts on what you posted. It will be interesting if they will be able to pull the scientist out if him. Hopefully not. I use to work for Hopkins and he is a very inspirational man there and hopefully I just would like to see that spill over into a larger forum.

 

[usmc02xx]

i never said anything about criminals and taking away your guns. That'd require background checks and firearm registration, and perhaps requiring firearms owners to secure their firearms and ammunition, which i am well aware is something US Citizens do not wish to give up and am not suggesting they should do so anytime soon- the crime rate is currently too high for that to be practical and YES, criminals will rule the streets if that became the case.

All i'm suggesting is that the two concepts; fully libertarian gun rights AND the inability for mentally unwell people and criminals to get guns, are mutually exclusive and it's a choice Americans will have to make.

Don't worry, the scary Australian man isn't here to steal your guns and liberty

wont the mentally ill still get them the same way that criminals do? even with health care tracking them, a blackmarket always exist. The real truth is they will never go away, and any means used to determine who can and cant have what will be abused. Got depressed last year? No guns for you. Used shantix to stop smoking, no guns for you... Served in the military and maybe have PTSD, well we better take yours too. For the children and everything. SO between the two options, Ill take the chance that a crazy can get one legally.

 

[Cowtown]

+1 for Ben Carson

 

[EddieNFL]

A doctor goes by science, what is proven is fact and they stand by it regardless of public opinion-

Some stand by even when the "fact" is proven wrong (and that is directed at the scientific community as a whole, not just docs).

criminals will obtain guns no matter what is done short of destroying every gun on the planet.

You left out a few steps necessary to implement effect gun control.

- Destroy all firearms

- Destroy all firearm related literature

- Destroy all machinery used to manufacture firearms

- Destroy all knowledge of firearms or the ability to perceive firearm design

All steps must happen instantly and at the same time. That last step could be a bit tricky.

 

[rmfield]

I think this Carson statement is very telling:

"I truly believe in Second Amendment rights. I would never advocate anything to interfere with Second Amendment rights; however, I do think we have to be intelligent."

Terms like "intelligent", "practical" and "common sense" can, and usually do mean anything a politician wants them to mean. They are generally used by politicians to obscure their true viewpoint and give them room to change direction later.

I think Carson will work to uphold the 2nd Amendment only as long as it is convenient and it serves his political needs. All it will take is one well publicised incident of gun violence under his watch to cause him flip-flop and advocate "intelligent" restrictions on firearms ownership. I like a lot of things about Carson, but his support of 2A is weak at best.

 

[nashlaw]

The last that I heard from Dr. Carson was that he had some caveats to the 2nd amendment. If you lived in the country, semi-automatics (AR types) were ok, but not so much for city folks. What scares me is that he is using his own bias toward a constitutional right. Is he evolving? Is he becoming a politician? What would this audience like to hear? Other than that, I like him and will continue to watch and listen to him.

G5guy

Beat me to it.

 

[nashlaw]

The last that I heard from Dr. Carson was that he had some caveats to the 2nd amendment. If you lived in the country, semi-automatics (AR types) were ok, but not so much for city folks. What scares me is that he is using his own bias toward a constitutional right. Is he evolving? Is he becoming a politician? What would this audience like to hear? Other than that, I like him and will continue to watch and listen to him.

G5guy

Beat me to it.

 

[Remoah]

wont the mentally ill still get them the same way that criminals do? even with health care tracking them, a blackmarket always exist. The real truth is they will never go away, and any means used to determine who can and cant have what will be abused. Got depressed last year? No guns for you. Used shantix to stop smoking, no guns for you... Served in the military and maybe have PTSD, well we better take yours too. For the children and everything. SO between the two options, Ill take the chance that a crazy can get one legally.

Well no, i mean its not just identifying and prohibiting those with major mental illness from acquiring fireams, but also having someone who regularly visits them, ie a mental health nurse, who ensures they stay on their meds and if they have any psychotic breaks (say; thoughts of shooting people ect) they can do something about it.

And thats highly paranoid to think they'd stop people with depression and ptsd owning firearms. A large number of Vietnam vets in Australia with depression, anxiety and ptsd all shoot and own guns, and not once has anyone thought of barring them. Im talking about your major mental illnesses, severe Personality Disorder, Schizophrenia ect.

 

[JaysonF]

wont the mentally ill still get them the same way that criminals do? even with health care tracking them, a blackmarket always exist. The real truth is they will never go away, and any means used to determine who can and cant have what will be abused. Got depressed last year? No guns for you. Used shantix to stop smoking, no guns for you... Served in the military and maybe have PTSD, well we better take yours too. For the children and everything. SO between the two options, Ill take the chance that a crazy can get one legally.

I for one believe anyone who wants a gun, felon or not, should be allowed to carry one. It's been proven that an armed society is a polite society. This however comes with the caveat that we need to have MUCH harsher punishments and no deals when it comes to crimes involving a firearm. I knew a guy, a felon who was caught with meth and a pistol here in Nevada. The guy was in jail for 6 months and got probation for 2 years. Another, sad to admit a veteran, robbed a bank and got 18 months. Crimes involving firearms need stiffer sentences as deterrents. That and child molesters need 10 year mandatories.
"The road to tyranny is paved with good intentions”. Proof of this is can be found in history which is littered with smiling socialists who went on to become arrogant dictators.
Let everyone who isn't carrying a firearm in the commission of a crime, carry. The odds will be more likely there will be a "good guy" with a gun when there's some whacko taking advantage of a "gun free" (target rich) environment.
I guess while I am young, my views on justice are old. Eye for an eye. Guilty of murder? Dead within the year.

 

[Tylermtech]

I for one believe anyone who wants a gun, felon or not, should be allowed to carry one. It's been proven that an armed society is a polite society. This however comes with the caveat that we need to have MUCH harsher punishments and no deals when it comes to crimes involving a firearm. I knew a guy, a felon who was caught with meth and a pistol here in Nevada. The guy was in jail for 6 months and got probation for 2 years. Another, sad to admit a veteran, robbed a bank and got 18 months. Crimes involving firearms need stiffer sentences as deterrents. That and child molesters need 10 year mandatories.
"The road to tyranny is paved with good intentions”. Proof of this is can be found in history which is littered with smiling socialists who went on to become arrogant dictators.
Let everyone who isn't carrying a firearm in the commission of a crime, carry. The odds will be more likely there will be a "good guy" with a gun when there's some whacko taking advantage of a "gun free" (target rich) environment.
I guess while I am young, my views on justice are old. Eye for an eye. Guilty of murder? Dead within the year.

Child rapists need to never see the light of day again.



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[Fritz24]

I think this Carson statement is very telling:

"I truly believe in Second Amendment rights. I would never advocate anything to interfere with Second Amendment rights; however, I do think we have to be intelligent."

Terms like "intelligent", "practical" and "common sense" can, and usually do mean anything a politician wants them to mean. They are generally used by politicians to obscure their true viewpoint and give them room to change direction later.

I think Carson will work to uphold the 2nd Amendment only as long as it is convenient and it serves his political needs. All it will take is one well publicised incident of gun violence under his watch to cause him flip-flop and advocate "intelligent" restrictions on firearms ownership. I like a lot of things about Carson, but his support of 2A is weak at best.

Agreed. Also, believe it or not, would-be political types have a nasty habit of saying, or promising if you will, all kinds of things - once they get elected they conveniently "forget" all that. Shocking, right? *cough, cough*

 

[Xshot]

There's much to like about Ben Carson. However, he has waffled on the 2nd. He would have to do something stupendous to convince me he is 100 percent behind the 2nd.

 

[dropd57]

Ben Carson is an ass and would never be anything other than a surgeon. Surprised Tuffs keeps him. He should stick to medicine.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Soggy Bottom Boys damn sure aint steeped in old timey ways, fwiw.

Heres how the songs supposed to sound:

Emry Arthur - I Am a Man of Constant Sorrow - YouTube

Newer, faster version:

Man of Constant Sorrow - The Stanley Brothers - YouTube

And some other gems:

Blue Moon Of Kentucky - Bill Monroe - YouTube

Bill Monroe Wicked Path Of Sin - YouTube

Yeah buddy. Thats good shit. Sounds good for a modern song though, but they shoulda kept it old school for the purposes of the movie IMO. But god dear, Im off topic aint I?

 

[supercorndogs]

Well no, i mean its not just identifying and prohibiting those with major mental illness from acquiring fireams, but also having someone who regularly visits them, ie a mental health nurse, who ensures they stay on their meds and if they have any psychotic breaks (say; thoughts of shooting people ect) they can do something about it.

And thats highly paranoid to think they'd stop people with depression and ptsd owning firearms. A large number of Vietnam vets in Australia with depression, anxiety and ptsd all shoot and own guns, and not once has anyone thought of barring them. Im talking about your major mental illnesses, severe Personality Disorder, Schizophrenia ect.

highly paranoid to think people, whos end game is outlawing guns, would try to prohibit people with depression from owning guns. people who told us that war veterans are too dangerous to own guns. that 30 round magazines are dangerous. people who made it illegal to own a gun if you are convicted of domestic violence and then worked to make sure that yelling or gesturing could be considered domestic violence.

so your assertion is. we need to have supervised home care for people to make sure they are not doing anything because .00001 percent of mentally ill people killed some people. like they could not just hide the weapons and plans as a paranoid mentally ill person would do. making a new law, to stop people from breaking an existing law, is fucking stupid