Effect of barrel fluting

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Every so often a post pops up here about barrel fluting, and there's always a lot of speculation. I am an engineer and I love shooting, so when time allows I try to combine the two. I did a study using what is called Finite Element Analysis, or FEA. I am trying to show a comparison between fluted and unfluted versions of an otherwise identical barrel. I modeled a barrel using Bartlein's MTU specs. I took some modeling liberties that may not be perfect, for example I let the flutes run the full length of the barrel and I only constrained the rear face of the barrel (rather than constraining the threaded length of the barrel). I think for comparison these are decent assumptions.

The first picture is just specifics about the models:
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The next picture shows the first natural frequency of the two models. Natural frequency is a function of the stiffness and mass. The fluted barrel is not as stiff, but it's also lighter, so the end result is the first natural frequency is almost identical (1% lower frequency for the fluted barrel):
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The last picture shows the bending stiffness of the two barrels under a cantilever load at the tip. The unfluted barrel 21.1% stiffer than the fluted barrel.
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I think the second picture is the one that's most important to us from an accuracy standpoint, as we don't often deliberately try and bend our barrels. We are more concerned with the harmonics I think.

These are just a few data points. The results would certainly change if I looked at different contours, lengths, flute depths, etc. When time allows I'd like to do a comparison looking at heat transfer to show the affect of flutes there.
 
Re: Effect of barrel fluting

interesting post.

if you have time or the motivation, do you think you could do an analysis on a helical fluted barrel? i am suspecting that it will be significantly less rigid as straight fluted barrel, but i am not an engineer, nor did i stay at a holiday inn last night.
 
Re: Effect of barrel fluting

Very interesting! Could you run the same program with two barrels with the same weight, Fluted and non fluted? It would be interesting to see how much shape, and shape alone effected things.
 
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Turk - I'd say the third picture is more relevant when you have a can (or a heavy brake) than it is otherwise. However the second set (natural frequencies) would change completely because now you have a mass hung on the end and that mass effectively adds no stiffness.
 
Re: Effect of barrel fluting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Check this:

http://www.varmintal.net/aflut.htm </div></div>

Engineers put forth some very interesting arguments regarding barrels and fluting. I love their articles, but they really blow my mind!

When all is said and done I think LL's advice is the most practical. "Shut up and shoot!"
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"If fluting is done without introducing large residual stresses in the barrel it should improve accuracy by as much as 20% over a solid barrel of the same contour."

That quote is interesting and came from the study.

Po-Po
 
Re: Effect of barrel fluting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Policeman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"If fluting is done without introducing large residual stresses in the barrel it should improve accuracy by as much as 20% over a solid barrel of the same contour."

That quote is interesting and came from the study.

Po-Po
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I am no statistician but on first blush I cant help think its also marginal when you consider all of the data together.

This quote ONLY becomes *consistently* true if you were to modify it and say "If a barrel is fluted to allow greater diameter at the same weight and such that the fluting is done without introducing large residual stresses, it should improve accuracy by as much as 20% over the smaller diameter solid barrel of the same contour."
 
Re: Effect of barrel fluting

Thanks for the feedback. I'll try and do a few more comparisons over the next week. The idea of of spiral-fluted barrel is one that was already on my to do list. I'm especially interested in the spiral barrel when a little heat is put into it.