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No, i'm sorry, i understood what you said, just making the point that the FDA isn' uber reliable either.
Glucosamine seems like the best alternative, but it isn't a medicine.
The issue of bioavailability, uptake and appropriate dosing is why i asked about asthma and eye pressure side effects.
Not really a concern if you're going to risk your dick's ability to operate operationally.......
Maybe this isn't the right thread to ask the question.
It can be tough on your kidneys to take it religiously. I take it as needed or if I’m anticipating using my body a little more.
After my micro fracture surgery on my knee my surgeon suggested taking it…there’s no concrete proof to how the supplements make it to the cartilage since there’s really no blood flow there but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. If it were a placebo, it shouldn’t be so successful with dogs when vets prescribe it for joint pain.
After my micro fracture surgery on my knee my surgeon suggested taking it…there’s no concrete proof to how the supplements make it to the cartilage since there’s really no blood flow there but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. If it were a placebo, it shouldn’t be so successful with dogs when vets prescribe it for joint pain.
I can buy the second paragraph but the second sentence in the first - what’s the backup for this? It’s a real question, not trying to be an ass.
I've had vets advise on more than one occasion, they put it into senior dogfood fwiw.
chicken fat as a natural anti-inflammatory source of glucosamine and chondroitin at DuckDuckGo
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I've had Great Danes with hip dysplasia that responded well and it seems to translate to humans.
I’m not sure to be honest, it’s something that my doctor had mentioned a couple years after the surgery. It’s not uncommon to hear that too many supplements taken daily over a long period of time can overwork your kidneys and cause damage though. I had walked away thinking I’d take it in waves and ramp up for weeks at a time where required.
Also to put this in perspective, I had the surgery at around 25 years old so a lifetime of joint supplements would be a lot of pills for me.
That's not how it works. If they made any health claims they, supplement manufacturers, would then fall under the purview of the FDA. They avoid this by not making any claims. The cost to go through clinical testing would make that supplement so expensive no one would buy it.
Yup. That’s why they have that little disclaimer on the bottle.
So as it stands, with no regulation, you may be buying very little of the actual product you're attempting to take. If it worked, they could have clinical testing then your insurance would pay for it at the pharmacy. If there was any benefit and a chance to make money, the bigger pharma companies would already be all over it.
Big Pharma only benefits from patentable products.
It's simple cost/return finance.
Just to give an analogy, by your logic, marijuana doesn't get people high unless it's sourced from a commercial source which tests the specific product.
Or if you like, home brewed beer doesn't really contain alcohol unless it's taxed and tested.
Try telling that to the cop the next time you go through a DUI checkpoint....
The industry nomenclature is "multicomponent nutraceutical".
Lertal®, a multicomponent nutraceutical, using a proprietary blend and a time-release component IIUC.
Quercetin, Perilla frutescens and Vitamin D3 formu-lated in a double layer "fast-slow" release tablet form.
Quercetin is also an anti-inflammatory, here's a study in Italy:
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There's a Japanese study too, here's one from NIH
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Lertal®, a multicomponent nutraceutical, using a proprietary blend and a time-release component IIUC.
Quercetin, Perilla frutescens and Vitamin D3 formu-lated in a double layer "fast-slow" release tablet form.
Quercetin is also an anti-inflammatory, here's a study in Italy:
Lertal® Significantly Favors Good Functioning of the Immune System
- NTC expands into pediatric allergology, demonstrating commitment to research and development of new therapeutic solutionsMILAN, Sept. 3, 2019 /P...
markets.businessinsider.com There's a Japanese study too, here's one from NIH
Quercetin effectively quells peanut-induced anaphylactic reactions in the peanut sensitized rats - PubMed
Peanut allergy is the major leading cause of fatal or life-threatening anaphylactic reactions to foods. At present, there is no remedy for this condition. The applied pharmaceutical cares are merely palliative, while their deleterious side effects have already been established. Hence, many...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov Quercetin and Its Anti-Allergic Immune Response - PubMed
Quercetin is the great representative of polyphenols, flavonoids subgroup, flavonols. Its main natural sources in foods are vegetables such as onions, the most studied quercetin containing foods, and broccoli; fruits (apples, berry crops, and grapes); some herbs; tea; and wine. Quercetin is...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov NIH isn’t the most credible source these daysThe industry nomenclature is "multicomponent nutraceutical".
Lertal®, a multicomponent nutraceutical, using a proprietary blend and a time-release component IIUC.
Quercetin, Perilla frutescens and Vitamin D3 formu-lated in a double layer "fast-slow" release tablet form.
Quercetin is also an anti-inflammatory, here's a study in Italy:
Lertal® Significantly Favors Good Functioning of the Immune System
- NTC expands into pediatric allergology, demonstrating commitment to research and development of new therapeutic solutionsMILAN, Sept. 3, 2019 /P...
There's a Japanese study too, here's one from NIH
Quercetin effectively quells peanut-induced anaphylactic reactions in the peanut sensitized rats - PubMed
Peanut allergy is the major leading cause of fatal or life-threatening anaphylactic reactions to foods. At present, there is no remedy for this condition. The applied pharmaceutical cares are merely palliative, while their deleterious side effects have already been established. Hence, many...
Quercetin and Its Anti-Allergic Immune Response - PubMed
Quercetin is the great representative of polyphenols, flavonoids subgroup, flavonols. Its main natural sources in foods are vegetables such as onions, the most studied quercetin containing foods, and broccoli; fruits (apples, berry crops, and grapes); some herbs; tea; and wine. Quercetin is...
I was thinking the same thing when i posted it..................derp
Quercetin - DrWeil.com
Quercetin may be useful in addressing seasonal allergies, hay fever, atherosclerosis, coronary heart disease, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, and more.
www.drweil.com ------------------------this is NIH, 2009
Randomized Controlled Trial
Allergol Int
. 2009 Sep;58(3):373-82.
doi: 10.2332/allergolint.08-OA-0070. Epub 2009 May 25.
Preventative effect of a flavonoid, enzymatically modified isoquercitrin on ocular symptoms of Japanese cedar pollinosis
Japanese researchers used a related compound, isoquercitrin, in a study of people allergic to Japanese cedar pollen (Allergology International, Sep. 2009). This two-month placebo-controlled trial demonstrated that the compound controlled itchy, red eyes.
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And you keep thinking this stuff helps people. It does as much as a candy bar for joint health, but you keep eating them. My wife and I are both in the medical field with her working in a lab. I might have an informed opinion.Big Pharma only benefits from patentable products.
It's simple cost/return finance.
Just to give an analogy, by your logic, marijuana doesn't get people high unless it's sourced from a commercial source which tests the specific product.
Or if you like, home brewed beer doesn't really contain alcohol unless it's taxed and tested.
Try telling that to the cop the next time you go through a DUI checkpoint....
Please tell me more about your "informed opinion", I only do "Public Corruption", but it's a related field.......
That’s the reality that federal prosecutors have reminded the public about with an announced $678 million settlement with Novartis over the drug maker’s doctor prescribing- and kickbacks-scheme. And it is what Gilead has shown with its planned pricing for remdesivir. It is an anti-viral drug that has shown modest effect in shortening the course of Covid-19 infections and was developed with taxpayer funding.
The Novartis case also paints a damning picture of doctors’ complicity in taking bribes to defraud taxpayers (specifically the Medicare, Medicaid, and Veterans Affairs programs) by pushing company products, including the high blood pressure drugs Lotrel, Diovan, Exforge, Tekturna, Valturna and Tekamlo, and the Type 2 diabetes medication Starlix.
As Audrey Strauss, the acting U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, described the bad acts in a statement:
“For more than a decade, Novartis spent hundreds of millions of dollars on so-called speaker programs, including speaking fees, exorbitant meals, and top-shelf alcohol that were nothing more than bribes to get doctors across the country to prescribe Novartis’s drugs. Giving these cash payments and other lavish goodies interferes with the duty of doctors to choose the best treatment for their patients and increases drug costs for everyone.”
The goodies dispensed— besides huge honorariums — included travel and entertainment. Prosecutors detailed the pricey feeding and watering holes at which Novartis wined and dined doctors, including: “Masa, Daniel, Gramercy Tavern, Il Mulino, Babbo, Peter Luger, Le Bernardin, and Eleven Madison Park in New York City; Charlie Palmer’s in Washington, D.C.; Morton’s Steakhouse and the Four Seasons in Chicago; Joe’s Stone Crab in Miami; Abacus, Nobu, and the Four Seasons in Dallas; Gary Danko in San Francisco; Patina and Matsuhisa in Los Angeles; Grill 225 in South Carolina; and Commander’s Palace in New Orleans.”
Please feel free to so some actual research and form your own opinion.Please tell me more about your "informed opinion", I only do "Public Corruption", but it's a related field.......
That’s the reality that federal prosecutors have reminded the public about with an announced $678 million settlement with Novartis over the drug maker’s doctor prescribing- and kickbacks-scheme. And it is what Gilead has shown with its planned pricing for remdesivir. It is an anti-viral drug that has shown modest effect in shortening the course of Covid-19 infections and was developed with taxpayer funding.
The Novartis case also paints a damning picture of doctors’ complicity in taking bribes to defraud taxpayers (specifically the Medicare, Medicaid, and Veterans Affairs programs) by pushing company products, including the high blood pressure drugs Lotrel, Diovan, Exforge, Tekturna, Valturna and Tekamlo, and the Type 2 diabetes medication Starlix.
As Audrey Strauss, the acting U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, described the bad acts in a statement:
“For more than a decade, Novartis spent hundreds of millions of dollars on so-called speaker programs, including speaking fees, exorbitant meals, and top-shelf alcohol that were nothing more than bribes to get doctors across the country to prescribe Novartis’s drugs. Giving these cash payments and other lavish goodies interferes with the duty of doctors to choose the best treatment for their patients and increases drug costs for everyone.”
The goodies dispensed— besides huge honorariums — included travel and entertainment. Prosecutors detailed the pricey feeding and watering holes at which Novartis wined and dined doctors, including: “Masa, Daniel, Gramercy Tavern, Il Mulino, Babbo, Peter Luger, Le Bernardin, and Eleven Madison Park in New York City; Charlie Palmer’s in Washington, D.C.; Morton’s Steakhouse and the Four Seasons in Chicago; Joe’s Stone Crab in Miami; Abacus, Nobu, and the Four Seasons in Dallas; Gary Danko in San Francisco; Patina and Matsuhisa in Los Angeles; Grill 225 in South Carolina; and Commander’s Palace in New Orleans.”
That there are inconsistencies in the studies comparing significant and insignificant improvements is a huge red flag to me. No one can agree and the studies aren't the same. They've been studying it since the 80s and can't come up with the same results twice.
Thanks again.
I'm really interested in quercetin which seems viable in combination with the other two.
Supposedly it's a "performance enhancer" which may just mean increased o2 absorption.
Seems to have arthritis applications.
Mainly I would be thrilled if it solved allergies.
Melatonin is a proven supplement and the pharma alternatives are appallingly awful.
Thanks too for the review on Anabolic Labs.
........this kind of underscores the appropriateness of 'off-label' uses for drugs.
Now about that bicep tear......were you advised to/not to switch hands to gain a stroke......
....sorry
https://www.verywellhealth.com › pycnogenol-what-should-i-know-about-it-89069
Pycnogenol has also been explored as a remedy for erectile dysfunction due to its effects on nitric oxide levels and blood flow. One study published in 2010 tested this using a combination of Pycnogenol and other ingredients (most commonly L-arginine).While the effects of Pycnogenol alone aren't known, the data is promising with 92.5% of study participants experiencing a normal erection after
I didn't/don't have ED, but I DID have these insatiable raging hard-ons while sitting around waiting for things to heal. This kind of explains things.
Do me a favor....ballpark how much you think clinical testing would cost.
I'm gonna guess about as much as any other drug already on the market. Again, if it were worth it it would have been done. Feel free to take them if you want. It seems that many trials have shown that cutting suger out of your diet is just as or more effective than taking anti-inflammatories.
A throne made from the bones of your enemies.
i can attest to this. Nothing makes my joints ache more than something a simple as a small Halloween size snickers.
Keto has helped immensely with my collection of injuries.
Regular exercise, between the day job, working around the block, kayaking, and naturally, time on the rifle.
If you don't use it, you lose it.
Regular exercise, between the day job, working around the block, kayaking, and naturally, time on the rifle.
If you don't use it, you lose it.
I approve of this message. All of it.
Just wondering but how does keto help with your injuries?
Lack of sugar. If there is one thing that contributes the more problems than anything, all over the body, it’s sugar- simple carbs.
Good point. I haven't eaten simple carbs for a long time, so I never thought about it. My main worry with keto is that to get enough fat you end up eating relatively low quality fats. And of course everybody's body processes fats differently, but my lipid panels tend to be better when I am very careful about fat quality -- more fish fats, less red meat fats. Bodies are weird in how unique they are, but one constant seems to be that once you hit 35 or so, sugar is going to kill you.
My general .02 on diet is that there is a bigger difference between people who follow a diet and people who don't, than there is between any two reasonably good diets.
It's a diet that works for me.
Keeps my weight down, and away from sugar and junk food/carbs.
It might be weird, but sugar loaded stuff gives me aches and pains the next morning.
I miss a good beer, but a vodka with lemon is nice.
Every now and then a merlot or three.
You sure dance around the subject a lot for a 'subject matter expert*".
*self-identified
In one breath you claim 'no value in nutritional supplements'.
In the next you claim, "cutting suger [sic] out of your diet is just as or more effective than taking anti-inflammatories."
What do you have to say to people, like me, who don't consume sugar?
How about High fructose corn syrup vs. sugar?
You claim to be a great researcher of medical information but can't perform a simple web search while posting on the interwebz????
Here's the healthcare answer:
Clinical trials to obtain FDA approval typically account for small proportion of total drug research and development costs, study suggests. Clinical trials that support FDA approvals of new drugs have a median cost of $19 million, according to a new study by a team including researchers from Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
Here's the "people who understand profit/loss" answer:
The Cost of Developing an FDA-Approved Drug Is Truly ...
Based on average out-of-pocket costs and capital costs that were around $400 million apiece, Tufts estimated drug development and approval costs at that time of $802 million (in 2000 dollars).
"After examining 10 pharmaceutical companies and 106 randomly selected drugs that were first tested in human clinical trials between 1995 and 2007, Tufts estimated that the true cost to bring a drug to market was $2.56 billion (in 2013 dollars). This figure includes just shy of $1.4 billion in average out-of-pocket costs to the drug developer, as well as $1.16 billion in time costs, which are essentially the expected returns that investors forgo while a drug is in development."
Why is "Kosher" alcohol more expensive than the non-certified kind do you suppose?
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Sugar is a curse. Yet another cheap nasty poison of our modern age.
A guy I know delivers raw sugar to the beverage manufacturers.
Thousands of tonnes each week.
Sugar cane is a huge industry.
A guy I know delivers raw sugar to the beverage manufacturers.
Thousands of tonnes each week.
Sugar cane is a huge industry.
So you guys in Oz get real sugar?
Here in the US they tax the shit out of sugar, if you want beverages with sugar you have to buy Mexican or Kosher Coca-cola for example.
U.S. Corn Sweeteners and Mexican Sugar: Agreement at Last!
percent tax Mexico levies on beverages that are made with sweeteners other than cane sugar, including high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) (WTO 2005; USTR 2005). These taxes are aimed mainly at imports of HFCS from the United States, the primary supplier of most nonsugar sweeteners used by the Mexican beverage industry.
High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) is a manmade substance that's roughly half glucose and half fructose, not bound together chemically. The ratio of fructose to glucose in most HFCS is very similar to the 50/50 ratio in cane sugar.
"Don't get us wrong. We're not fans of synthetic food, and that's what HFCS is ... see “High-Fructose Corn Syrup Declared Unnatural”.
And when you add HFCS to fizzy drinks, a chemical reaction with its unbound sugars (glucose and fructose) yields high levels of undesirable compounds called carbonyls ... see “Corn-Sweetened Sodas High in Pro-Aging Agent”."
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"Rutgers researcher Chi-Tang Ho, Ph.D. tested 11 popular sodas containing HFCS, and found “astonishingly high” levels of reactive carbonyls: a single can contained about five times more carbonyls than the blood of an adult with diabetes."
...and before the expert gets back on this:
Here's my source, Taiwan Chinese not Chinese Communist.......
Link to his CV here, call or email to voir dire:
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Aristotle, the philosopher, also compiled a list of medicinal plants. ... and quinine from Peruvian bark. In 1852, scientists were able to synthesize salicin, an active ingredient in willow bark, for the first time. By 1899, the drug company Bayer, modified salicin into a milder form of aectylsalicylic acid and lauched asprin into our modern ...
I just had to throw this in here as well.......from 2012....
Forget Two Ferns.........Here's Two Rapists.....
Slick Willie and Harvey the degenerate on "As a pedophile, are fat kids just as smart as white kids when you rape them?"
Last Thursday, President Bill Clinton appeared on CNN's Piers Morgan show.
The former President's Clinton Foundation has become increasingly involved in health issues … especially childhood obesity.
Among other topics, the guest host – film producer Harvey Weinstein – asked him about his remarkable success in losing weight and eating more healthfully.
President Clinton highlighted the issue and his own battle of the bulge in a blurb he wrote for Dr. Hyman's recent bestseller, The Blood Sugar Solution:
“In the last decade, the rise of obesity and diabetes has emerged as a crisis that threatens our families, the global economy, and the success of our next generation. I've made drastic changes to my own diet and exercise routine since my heart troubles surfaced in 2004 and I hope Dr. Hyman's new book will inspire you as he has inspired me.”
As he told Weinstein, “… when I had my second heart incident and I had to put the stents in, I had passed all my physicals, I was doing great, I was still building up plaque in my arteries. So I just went all the way. Now, I try to eat some salmon once a week … and I feel great, lost a bunch of weight.”
Obviously, President Clinton's battle involved much more than replacing junk food with fish … but that move may have played a part in his success, judging by the known metabolic benefits of the omega-3s in seafood.
Forget Two Ferns.........Here's Two Rapists.....
Slick Willie and Harvey the degenerate on "As a pedophile, are fat kids just as smart as white kids when you rape them?"
Omega-6 Fats Drive Obesity; Omega-3s Help Avoid It
06/04/2012Last Thursday, President Bill Clinton appeared on CNN's Piers Morgan show.
The former President's Clinton Foundation has become increasingly involved in health issues … especially childhood obesity.
Among other topics, the guest host – film producer Harvey Weinstein – asked him about his remarkable success in losing weight and eating more healthfully.
President Clinton highlighted the issue and his own battle of the bulge in a blurb he wrote for Dr. Hyman's recent bestseller, The Blood Sugar Solution:
“In the last decade, the rise of obesity and diabetes has emerged as a crisis that threatens our families, the global economy, and the success of our next generation. I've made drastic changes to my own diet and exercise routine since my heart troubles surfaced in 2004 and I hope Dr. Hyman's new book will inspire you as he has inspired me.”
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Obviously, President Clinton's battle involved much more than replacing junk food with fish … but that move may have played a part in his success, judging by the known metabolic benefits of the omega-3s in seafood.
The anti inflammatories I refer to are prescription drugs. But please continue. I'm only 26 years into treating the human body, I'm sure you've got more experience than that and I'll wait for you to espouse something I haven't already heard. Not all FDA drugs work, but I'd put even less stock into something not tested and approved. As for your costs theory, apirin and Tylenol are both approved and yet cost so little. You seem to have something to prove that is off the topic of do they work. I'm going to concede this argument, it's just not worth it.You sure dance around the subject a lot for a 'subject matter expert*".
*self-identified
In one breath you claim 'no value in nutritional supplements'.
In the next you claim, "cutting suger [sic] out of your diet is just as or more effective than taking anti-inflammatories."
What do you have to say to people, like me, who don't consume sugar?
How about High fructose corn syrup vs. sugar?
You claim to be a great researcher of medical information but can't perform a simple web search while posting on the interwebz????
Here's the healthcare answer:
https://publichealth.jhu.edu › 2018 › cost-of-clinical-trials-for-new-drug-FDA-approval-are-fraction-of-total-tab
Clinical trials to obtain FDA approval typically account for small proportion of total drug research and development costs, study suggests. Clinical trials that support FDA approvals of new drugs have a median cost of $19 million, according to a new study by a team including researchers from Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
Here's the "people who understand profit/loss" answer:
The Cost of Developing an FDA-Approved Drug Is Truly ...
https://www.fool.com › investing › general › 2016 › 04 › 30 › the-cost-of-developing-an-fda-approved-drug-is-tru.aspx
Based on average out-of-pocket costs and capital costs that were around $400 million apiece, Tufts estimated drug development and approval costs at that time of $802 million (in 2000 dollars).
"After examining 10 pharmaceutical companies and 106 randomly selected drugs that were first tested in human clinical trials between 1995 and 2007, Tufts estimated that the true cost to bring a drug to market was $2.56 billion (in 2013 dollars). This figure includes just shy of $1.4 billion in average out-of-pocket costs to the drug developer, as well as $1.16 billion in time costs, which are essentially the expected returns that investors forgo while a drug is in development."
Why is "Kosher" alcohol more expensive than the non-certified kind do you suppose?
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I realize this is the internet and all, but if you are going to be so appallingly disingenuous and intentionally obtuse, your contradictions create a sense of fecum bovis unless you'd like to post your CV.
Assuming arguendo, 26 years of changing bedpans does not a doctor make, que no?
Sounds like you're a physical therapist, woop-de-do.
What is it exactly that you have done for 26 years?
Following doctor's orders does not make one "the cutting edge expert", what I'm saying is that you appear to lack foundation.
Cut sugar in all forms out of your life. That is the only thing that allows me continued comfortable active joint movement.
I make a cocktail of fresh tumeric, ginger, lemon juice, fresh peppers, local honey, little coconut or avocado oil and some cinnamon.
sometimes i add some ingredients for shits and giggles, it tastes pretty bad but seems to help. Ginger is cheaper than tumeric and sometimes there is more of that than tumeric, so i will add some powdered form.
sometimes i add some ingredients for shits and giggles, it tastes pretty bad but seems to help. Ginger is cheaper than tumeric and sometimes there is more of that than tumeric, so i will add some powdered form.
Keto diet helps me immensely.
Plus gym work, kayak, and of course hunting and shooting.
Anything that gets you out and about.
Plus gym work, kayak, and of course hunting and shooting.
Anything that gets you out and about.
You guys throwing around Krill OIl... and I was like WTF?
Ahh... KRILL oil...
Ahh... KRILL oil...
Damn dude that is quite a cocktail. I have a disk that appears to have gone missing due to a climbing accident. I got us both down but it cost me unbelievable pain for the past 30 years. Thankfully, I have a reasonably high pain threshold and I have only needed opiates a few times. Though the amount of ibuprofen I have taken over those years is obscene. I did take an ambulance ride for 5 days in the hospital in 2009. I learned a hard lesson about letting it get out of control.
Thank god I was in really good shape a few times in my life and I think that is really a big help as you age.
Now I do pretty much every thing I want to and just need to be wary of the warning signs of trouble and take swift precise action. Movement/activity is my friend. That said I need to lose a few pounds this year and really ramp up the activity level for my last year before 60.
Significant sugar intake of any type makes my Rt shoulder and knee ache. If I forget, I feel it.
My last elbow surgery before Christmas, they gave me a bag full of opioid meds.
I sometimes think they want you to become addicted.
Got off them quick, just a osteo panadol and anti arthritis pill occasionally now.
My Babe keeps at me to take more, but, no.
Physio and surgeon said no kayak, but it's been a huge boost to get out on water again.
I'm certainly not a torpedo, but it's been a tonic to paddle.
I sometimes think they want you to become addicted.
Got off them quick, just a osteo panadol and anti arthritis pill occasionally now.
My Babe keeps at me to take more, but, no.
Physio and surgeon said no kayak, but it's been a huge boost to get out on water again.
I'm certainly not a torpedo, but it's been a tonic to paddle.
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