Emotions are high...let's not assassinate Ferdinand again

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    Umm... both. Since Germans lost, they were made the bad guys. I'm not aware of school manuals to mention that the shooter was a marxist.
    Germans are painted as bad guys, but my parents in WW2 were children and they told stories that german soldiers were giving them food and chocolate. Russian soldiers when they came rape the women, steal the food and burn the houses. But you don't find this in official history books.

    What is an official history book?
     

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    Before everyone gets up in arms, and calling for what should happen next, I'd suggest reading this article. Food for thought...


    The professor missed a golden opportunity to stimulate some real discussion. He should have asked his student to define "productive societal change," then challenge this woke student and demand she defend it. Not to mention ask why an obvious Marxist is even taking a business class. And why that question has any bearing at all in a business class.
     

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    Before everyone gets up in arms, and calling for what should happen next, I'd suggest reading this article. Food for thought...



    Very good article.
     
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    Ruffling feathers is not a coup. The Immaculate Reception was a catch and the feud between the Raiders and Steelers continue. The Cowboys were never in the game.
    What the fuck are you talking about?

    We just witnessed the left steal a Presidential election while their propaganda arm silenced any discussion of it.
     

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    LOL,

    You'll love to know that when he visited Yellowstone, he was disappointed that the rangers disabled his firearms. So to cheat the rules he beat porcupines and squirrels to death with rocks and knives after running them down.

    Last two paragraphs at the bottom of the page.
     

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    I have understood that Ferninand was just the small pebble that started the mudslide and by that I mean, it would have probably started anyway. The tensions were high and most importantly, what I consider the state of affairs ready for war, the sides have been mostly picked.

    It is like any children playing football. No game can start, until you know who is with who; the motion starts when all different groups have found their goals and their enemies opposing those goals..

    But I get the main message, which is an advise to refrain from doing possibly provocative actions. I just do not see it as a succesful end-goal, if there is no way to defuse a bomb, what do you do with it? Certainly you should not poke at it.
     

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    It was just a metaphor.
    The professor missed a golden opportunity to stimulate some real discussion. He should have asked his student to define "productive societal change," then challenge this woke student and demand she defend it. Not to mention ask why an obvious Marxist is even taking a business class. And why that question has any bearing at all in a business class.

    This wasn't a community college where they take roll before each class. Or Southern New Hampshire State University. "If you're a boneless wing please stand up.'
     

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    What I took from his article is if you are trying to win sides you had better be an adult in the room.

    You cant be represented by this guy...

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    Which is why he is being put front and center to represent us.

    Present a sober, rational, unbending resolve.

    No we are not giving up the Constitution,

    No we are not giving up fair elections.

    Yes we expect answers concerning the "irregularities" of the last election.

    The left is being the child in that cause by denying discussion.

    We need suited people that speak less of Krakens more of law and transparency.

    and there can be No negotiation........We are the boss, Its within our rights to demand this.

    Peaceful means must be used to get it.

    I think the author had Ghandi and MLK in mind........strikes, sit ins.......make those that oppose resort to violence and win the middle by gaining their support.

    But dont be pussies.....no negotiation on the loss of self defense. Peaceful response in the face of aggression shows the defense is warranted.

    We have to stop being sloppy though in our presentation. Media is already magnifying any flaw dont make their job easier.

    Granted Ghandi and MLK benefitted from a favorable press as their houses were not in perfect order as this author suggests it should be.

    but do the best you can and realize if you got skeletons they will be found.

    Look at the general shit of our world today........find an adult not wearing sweats......and that was a pre pandemic problem.

    I dont know maybe my idea of the person that has their shit together is last century.

    Im thinking Colion Noir......not horns and coyote fur.

    Finished reading this book last night....

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    Good book. Reminds me of "Semper Fi, Mac!" by Henry Berry. I read "SF,M!" in high school. It was a book about war and I almost felt like I was buying porn when I got it at Lauriats. That from a Library teacher telling me my interest in that stuff during grade school was not totally appropriate. "SF,M!" and J. Robert Moskin "The USMC Story" sent me on my path to PI.

    Anyway this book is similar to "SF,M!" in that its short personal accounts of the experience. Difference now these guys are in their 90s not their prime as was the case in the earlier book.

    As I finished reading last night I was caught by this last thought from Sid Phillips....

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    "They teach so little history now. I talk to young people, twenty five to thirty years old, and they hardly know anything at all about WWII. I spoke with one intelligent young lady who had never heard of Adolf Hitler. This is bad. We need to know the history of our country and teach it. There's so much history that isn't taught anymore. Freedom isn't free, and we need to repeatedly fight for our liberty.

    Governments need to be controlled. People expect too much from the government, but that only promotes inactivity. A government can't give you anything. They've got to take it away from you first. The amount of freedom a people has is directly related to the amount of government it has. Smaller governments mean more freedom.

    We need to revive Patriotism. It's a serious thing, and if we don't do it, we'll decline and become a has-been nation.

    I have heard the reference to our generation as "the greatest generation." We were a great generation, no doubt about it. We were patriotic, we had a job to do, and we needed to do our duty. Yet I think the greatest generation is still a generation to come. It's a generation that will turn our nation back to God."


    I hope we are not squandering his sacrifices. Smart man.

    Emulate him.

    He is a winner.
     
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    Umm... both. Since Germans lost, they were made the bad guys. I'm not aware of school manuals to mention that the shooter was a marxist.
    Germans are painted as bad guys, but my parents in WW2 were children and they told stories that german soldiers were giving them food and chocolate. Russian soldiers when they came rape the women, steal the food and burn the houses. But you don't find this in official history books.

    My family in Denmark sent messages under stamps to family in the U.S. One the messages read. "We are starving. Don't send food, the Germans will steal it."
     

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    Ok, read the article posted by the OP. It's good; the back half pretty much summarizes the first of Jordan Peterson's "12 Rules" but that's not a bad thing.

    The issue at the heart of Wednesday's events is simple: there was no defined goal, there was no plan, there was no leadership, thus there was no chance at victory. Oh, yeah, sure, Trump certainly played 4D chess, bla bla bla.

    The only thing this accomplished was to demonstrate who in a particular group has been paying attention and who hasn't (if you're like me, one of the simple joys of Thursday was taking note of who among co-workers, distant friends, and family was "shocked and appalled" and who was saying "told ya so" with a hint of smug satisfaction). But the price paid was pretty large, and much more could have been accomplished with a plan.

    There's gonna be backlash, and it's likely to be heavy. We may very well see in the next few months a sweeping set of "reforms" that'll wipe out our last few remaining civil liberties and one and for all turn the immense power of the surveillance state against us in overt ways. It will be hard too heavy of a price to pay for creating a single martyr and getting a few amusing pictures of patriots walking off with lectures and putting feet on Pelosi's desk.
     

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    My family in Denmark sent messages under stamps to family in the U.S. One the messages read. "We are starving. Don't send food, the Germans will steal it."

    One of my relatives had a grandfather in the Danish resistance, the Germans were only second to the Soviets in pure Evil.

    What a lot of folks don't understand is thanks to the horrors that Germany had done to the rest of Europe, a lot of people seriously wanted to extinctify the Germans once and for all, after having had their friends/families/neighbors die in 2 rounds of wars at the hands of the Germans.
    There was a huge amount of revenge killing and raping that went down after Germany surrendered.
    Someone made a really good documentary about it, that is usually banned because apparently it's not politically correct to show what happened to the Germans after their defeat because in SJW dogma Stalin=good

    It was the USA actually that kept the Germans from being starved to death and openly slaughtered to extinction after the end of WWII
     

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    We may very well see in the next few months a sweeping set of "reforms" that'll wipe out our last few remaining civil liberties and one and for all turn the immense power of the surveillance state against us in overt ways.
    Well then, when that happens the time for peaceful change is over.

    The pebble will roll into an avalanche and it won't be us that push that pebble down the hill.
     

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    One of my relatives had a grandfather in the Danish resistance, the Germans were only second to the Soviets in pure Evil.

    What a lot of folks don't understand is thanks to the horrors that Germany had done to the rest of Europe, a lot of people seriously wanted to extinctify the Germans once and for all, after having had their friends/families/neighbors die in 2 rounds of wars at the hands of the Germans.
    There was a huge amount of revenge killing and raping that went down after Germany surrendered.
    Someone made a really good documentary about it, that is usually banned because apparently it's not politically correct to show what happened to the Germans after their defeat because in SJW dogma Stalin=good

    It was the USA actually that kept the Germans from being starved to death and openly slaughtered to extinction after the end of WWII


    I understand Eisenhower was no fan of the Germans and the large camp built to try and hold surrendering armies was very difficult to provide adequately for.

    The Germans are none to fond of that European POW experience....and there are those (Nazi sympathizers....not me) that call it an American Holocaust against the German Army.

    German POWs in the US on the other hand never wanted to leave.
     
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  • I understand Eisenhower was no fan of the Germans and the large camp built to try and hold surrendering armies was very difficult to provide adequately for.

    The Germans are none to fond of that European POW experience....and there are those that call it an American Holocaust against the German Army.

    German POWs in the US on the other hand never wanted to leave.


    There had been accounts of the Soviets going full Genghis Khan mode once they reached Germany. Nothing. Nothing was spared from rape and pillage. There was a story posted on ARFCOM about how a group of American GIs came upon a bunch of Soviets raping a young German girl and when one of the American soldiers tried to pry the Russian off of the girl, the Russian's fellows grabbed the GI and tried to rape him too... Until a commissar came along and threatened to blow the Russian's brains out on the spot with his TT-33...


    Other GIs traveling through areas where the Russians had got there first reported total and complete devastation. Bodies of civilians, children and even animals hung or impaled...
     

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    There had been accounts of the Soviets going full Genghis Khan mode once they reached Germany. Nothing. Nothing was spared from rape and pillage. There was a story posted on ARFCOM about how a group of American GIs came upon a bunch of Soviets raping a young German girl and when one of the American soldiers tried to pry the Russian off of the girl, the Russian's fellows grabbed the GI and tried to rape him too... Until a commissar came along and threatened to blow the Russian's brains out on the spot with his TT-33...


    Other GIs traveling through areas where the Russians had got there first reported total and complete devastation. Bodies of civilians, children and even animals hung or impaled...


    That is reported to be true.

    As the Germans showed no quarter marching east the Russians returned the favors pushing them West.

    The US/German war was not as clean as history would have you believe.

    In the Pacific the US Army scratched its head about the animosity between Marines and Japanese Troops.
     

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  • That is reported to be true.

    As the Germans showed no quarter marching east the Russians returned the favors pushing them West.

    The US/German war was not as clean as history would have you believe.

    In the Pacific the US Army scratched its head about the animosity between Marines and Japanese Troops.


    The 1930s-40s had been the TRUE Dark Ages of the world. Not AD600-1200. The level of sheer savagery that had taken place in the wide swath of land between Seoul and Paris during this time was utterly incomprehensible. There was not one side or entity across Eurasia that could be considered "good". Ukrainians and Poles initially welcoming the Germans as liberators from the horrific Stalinist mass famine and extermination campaigns, only to realize that the Germans had something similar planned for them... That era of global history had left a lesson behind, and if we in this age fail to heed this lesson and allow leftist totalitarianism to take hold anywhere again, our generation cannot and will not ever be forgiven...
     

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    Not correct comparison as Ferdo was shot due to AustroHungarian empire occupied bosnia after Ottomans were thrown out and natives didnt appreciate that. Same conflict resumed in 1990+ and will continue i guess in the near future.

    For US the more applicable issue would be don’t implement new “ Morill tariff” but problem is analogies have already been implemented and as you can see there is no wasted time in implementing more.
    War is already happening question that remains is whether they succeed without single shooting battle to conquer US (&western world). They seem confident that its possible - we’ll see.

    Ps: PCR just added another excellent article on it.
     
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    I understand Eisenhower was no fan of the Germans and the large camp built to try and hold surrendering armies was very difficult to provide adequately for.

    The Germans are none to fond of that European POW experience....and there are those (Nazi sympathizers....not me) that call it an American Holocaust against the German Army.

    German POWs in the US on the other hand never wanted to leave.
    There is an old German POW camp 6 miles from my house in Desoto National Forest , U boat crews mostly.
     

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    I understand Eisenhower was no fan of the Germans and the large camp built to try and hold surrendering armies was very difficult to provide adequately for.

    The Germans are none to fond of that European POW experience....and there are those (Nazi sympathizers....not me) that call it an American Holocaust against the German Army.

    German POWs in the US on the other hand never wanted to leave.

    History is always written by the victors and is never really factual, much of it , particularly in the form it's taught to the plebs is a propagandized overexaggerated fairytale.

    German POWs in Europe died in captivity in considerable numbers, not like the fairy tales they tell these days about 1% casualty rate
    http://www.whale.to/b/bacque1.html
    https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=hQNQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DlUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1934,5875308

    In the East WW2 was far more savage than in the west where much of the populace did not have it too bad under the Germans, in the east everyone and their Aunt had a score to settle. Remember Nazi original plan for the East was always 'lebensraum' 'living space' in the east and that meant wiping out the indigenous populace.


    Antisemitism was a traditional European national sport for centuries, every so often it resulted in an orgy of violence,and pre WW2 Eastern Europe was on the brink of a Holocaust, Jews were often perceived as bolsheviks due to the top Commies being mostly Jews ( be fair before Jews took over all the levers of power in the US they were as unwelcome in US as anywhere else)
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/jewish-life-in-europe-before-the-holocaust

    East European nationalists made Nazis look like boy scouts, before the Germans started violence against their Jews , Eastern Europe was already neck-deep in it , when Germans came many were all too eager to 'final solution' the Jews. Germans completely bungled that up when they sent in Einsatzgruppen(Mobile Killing Units) on wholesale killing sprees as opposed to harnessing the locals.Add to that whole set of ethnic and territorial disputes. Folks like to forget when Germans 'Anschlus'ed Czechoslovakia so did the Poles , Hungarians etc
    Lots of stuff left from end of WWI .

    World War II in the east continued well past VE or VJ day till at least 1947 in some places until 1953 , Ukrainians killing Poles, Poles killing Ukrainians, all sorts of former nazi collaborator militias running around, by then already being actively supported against the Soviets initially by MI6 later CIG-CIA took over.
     
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    1. China and Russia will supply anyone who's willing to take it. One sided heavy weapons is not likely a scenario. They just want to watch us burn.

    2. When good men do something, DON'T believe the rhetoric the MSM tries to use to subvert other good men from doing something. Instead, do something.

    3. It's time to do something. I don't know what that it is but it's time. And violence seems to be the answer as our needs are not just not being met, they're not even up for consideration. Talking hasn't and isn't working. Next step gentlemen.
     

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    This post is a load of tripe.

    Designed to provoke the constitution loving citizens of snipers hide. Implying we take up arms against the government over a real or imagined conspiracy theory that was the 2020 election.
    No it was a simple statement of facts.

    What people decide to do with those facts is up to them.

    And what the Left did with this election is NOT an imagined conspiracy theory.
     
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    There is an old German POW camp 6 miles from my house in Desoto National Forest , U boat crews mostly.


    Fort Devens has the remains of one....Afrika Corps pretty much, Italian prisoners from the NA campaign.....at the close of war it was intended to send surrendering UBoat crew there.

    News of the times indicates "cooperating" prisoners had a lot of freedom.

    Much different when we got to mainland Europe and started encountering large numbers of troops and the hate set in.
     

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    Just calm down guys. Now is the time to come together and heal. Listen to our women some more maybe. Take a deep breath, go to the fridge and grab a couple of beers and sit down on the couch because the game is about to start. Violence is never the answer, so next time what we're gonna do is vote for the republicans so fucking hard that no amount of international election fraud can overcome it. BOOM! That'll show em.

    In the meantime, shut your fucking mouth, don't question those in charge. If you don't want a story time drag queen rolling around in the floor with your kindergarten age son or daughter, just keep it to yourself, bigot. If you have a problem with constantly being vilified by the govt., media, corporate America, and academia because of the color of your skin, just deal with it, racist! If you don't like the fact that communism is erasing your country's history and taxing you into poverty while sending billions to those who sponsor your demise, we don't need to hear about it. Actually, now that all of big tech has effectively censored any political opposition to the uniparty, we won't have to listen to you complain about having your future completely raped. We need to heal, you domestic terrorists. Healing can only occur with absolute submission. Violence is not the answer. That's just not who we are.
     

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    Whether you like it or not. You have an image problem.
    I sincerely hope your future lives are better than you currently foresee.
    Because the world doesn't want to see a USA run by these clown shoe wearing muppets.Screenshot_20210111-053340_Chrome.jpg
     

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    Here is an interesting video that may be of use to those who decide they want to have a few different options to ride out the coming wave of SJW Fanaticism:

     

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    History is always written by the victors and is never really factual, much of it , particularly in the form it's taught to the plebs is a propagandized overexaggerated fairytale.

    German POWs in Europe died in captivity in considerable numbers, not like the fairy tales they tell these days about 1% casualty rate
    http://www.whale.to/b/bacque1.html
    https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=hQNQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DlUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1934,5875308

    In the East WW2 was far more savage than in the west where much of the populace did not have it too bad under the Germans, in the east everyone and their Aunt had a score to settle. Remember Nazi original plan for the East was always 'lebensraum' 'living space' in the east and that meant wiping out the indigenous populace.


    Antisemitism was a traditional European national sport for centuries, every so often it resulted in an orgy of violence,and pre WW2 Eastern Europe was on the brink of a Holocaust, Jews were often perceived as bolsheviks due to the top Commies being mostly Jews ( be fair before Jews took over all the levers of power in the US they were as unwelcome in US as anywhere else)
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/jewish-life-in-europe-before-the-holocaust

    East European nationalists made Nazis look like boy scouts, before the Germans started violence against their Jews , Eastern Europe was already neck-deep in it , when Germans came many were all too eager to 'final solution' the Jews. Germans completely bungled that up when they sent in Einsatzgruppen(Mobile Killing Units) on wholesale killing sprees as opposed to harnessing the locals.Add to that whole set of ethnic and territorial disputes. Folks like to forget when Germans 'Anschlus'ed Czechoslovakia so did the Poles , Hungarians etc
    Lots of stuff left from end of WWI .

    World War II in the east continued well past VE or VJ day till at least 1947 in some places until 1953 , Ukrainians killing Poles, Poles killing Ukrainians, all sorts of former nazi collaborator militias running around, by then already being actively supported against the Soviets initially by MI6 later CIG-CIA took over.

    only a bolshevik cunt would assume that the problem with "national socialism" was the "nationalism" not the "socialism".
     

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    It seems corporate donors are joining the party , and you can imagine how the politicans will react , all eager to please the donors. Throwing Trump under the bus is now near certain.

    According to Bloomberg, Goldman Sachs is currently "formulating its measures that will probably curtail future political giving to the elected leaders who fought to overturn the 2020 result," while JPMorgan - the largest US bank by assets, will suspend contributions to both Republicans and Democrats for a period of six months. Citigroup says it will temporarily stop all political contributions in the current quarter.

    "We want you to be assured that we will not support candidates who do not respect the rule of law," said Citi's head of global government affairs, Candi Wolff, in a memo to employees.

    Morgan Stanley is also pausing contributions to any member of Congress who didn't vote to certify Biden's win.

    The action from the banks followed an earlier announcement from Marriott International Inc., which said it will suspend donations to Republican senators who voted against certifying President-elect Joe Biden, after considering the “destructive events” on Wednesday.
    The hotel giant was among the first corporate donors to announce the severing of financial ties with the lawmakers following the Capitol Hill riot by supporters of President Donald Trump. While much of corporate America swiftly condemned the violence, few companies have publicly vowed to cut off financial support to the elected officials that backed Trump’s baseless claims of election fraud. -Bloomberg


    "We have taken the destructive events at the Capitol to undermine a legitimate and fair election into consideration and will be pausing political giving from our Political Action Committee to those who voted against certification of the election," said a Marriott spokesperson. Of note, Marriott is close to Utah Senator Mitt Romney - a former board member and frequent critic of President Trump.

    Joining the 'contributions cancel campaign' is Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, who told Popular Information that they are suspending all donations to lawmakers who challenged the results of the Electoral College.

    Other organizations who stopped short of suspending donations, but will assess future contributions, include AT&T, Ford Motor Co., CVS Health Corp, Wells Fargo and Exxon Mobil Corp.