Rifle Scopes eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

[Roadwild17]

When should you consider a 1-4 scope instead of a reddot with magnifer.

I will be using a 14.5" BCM middy out to 200-250 yds. I was looking around and a 1-4 Trijicon accupoint TR24-3G caught my eye. I was thinkning, I could just leave it on 1x untill I needed to reach out then just crank it up to 4x.

Some scopes could be left off using the blacked out ret. and only turned on when needed. The trijicon dosent even need batteries.

What do you guys think?

 

[fastford]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

1x4 nightforce~!

 

[Ishikawa]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

I've been dabbling between the 2.5-10 NF and Aimpoint setups. I really like the Aimpoint...and successfully took a deer with it last year in the CenTex region. While hunting, I decided that I felt confident enough to take a deer at 100yds with just the Aimpoint / no magnification.

Fast forward...I have a 2.5-10x for hunting / longer range also. I had decided I wanted a scope for hunting purposes and other activities....but man, I miscalculated. Took the scope pig hunting up w/ my dad, and the need for a quick acquisition / moving shot just did not lend itself to the scope at all...even when dialed to 2.5. I wish I had carried the Aimpoint with me...but I didn't (moron!).

The question for you is "what type of hunting"? If you're really only considering 200yds....the Aimpoint w/ 3x would offer more versatility. Simply because you can quickly acquire targets with infinite eye relief, etc....and if you need to take a long shot, pop up the 3x and you should be good to 200. For groundhogs, predators, and longer stuff...get a scope that goes higher than 4x.

I guess what I'm trying to say is....to me, the flexibility of the Aimpoint / 3x setup would trump a 1-4x scope (for me)...but the 2.5-10 offers something the Aimpoint cannot. So, they compliment one another and you need to keep in mind the intended arena / use.

Best,
Ishi

 

[boom2336]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

Well just to lend some of my thoughts. I recently shot with the ACOG which if I remember correctly is x4 power. Now on the rifle range (usmc) I normally shoot iron sights but we are now allowed to use our ACOGs. And man at the 500 yard line it was almost cheating. So in my opinion using an aimpoint or eotech with a x3 magnifier would be more than adequate at the ranges you are talking about. And as mentioned you will also have the faster target aquisition. Not to mention thps3 set UPS prove useful when hunting humans that are running over in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Hope this helps some.

 

[paulo_santos]

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Had both set-ups and they are both compromises. The 1x4 is great on 4x, but on 1x, it doesn't have the unlimited eye relief or parallax free. On 1x, the 1x4 scopes are nowhere near as fast as a red dot.

The aimpoint/EOTech with magnifier is a nice set up, but once you begin to use the magnifier, you lose the advantages of the red dot, which is the unlimited eye relief and parallax free and you are adding all that weight.

What I would recommend is that if 75% of the time you are needing/using 1x, then I'd get the Red dot with magnifier. If 75% of the time you are needing/using magnification, get a 1x4 or even a TA33 3x30 ACOG with the horseshoe reticle. I'm actually liking it better than all of the other setups that I had.

 

[Ishikawa]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">or parallax free</div></div>

I forgot to mention that. I was able to stalk some hogs with my scope on 2.5...but they were in some thick cover and I couldn't hardly shoot at them from 10yds away

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">even a TA33 3x30 ACOG with the horseshoe reticle. I'm actually liking it better than all of the other setups that I had. </div></div>

I had considered trying the ACOG as well. Are you utilizing the BIDON....how does that work for you? It scares me

 

[paulo_santos]

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The horseshoe reticle on the ACOG is like having an EOTech. I had the TA31DOC and didn't like it that much, but really like the TA33. The BAC works very well. For some reason, BAC works better on the TA33 than the TA31. Don't know If it was the lower magnification or the reticle. I noticed a POI shift with the TA31, which is pretty common, but haven't noticed it at all with the TA33. The one negative about the ACOG is that if you are in a dark room the reticle is not too bright. The eye relief is listed at 1.9", but it is very forgiving, almost unlimited like the old 2x Aimpoints. For around $850, it is also a better value than the red dot/magnifier combo.

 

[Roadwild17]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

While it might see some hunting, its more of a car class/ HD/ SHTF type of setup. It would be a bunp in the night rifle.

 

[Ishikawa]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While it might see some hunting, its more of a car class/ HD/ SHTF type of setup. It would be a bunp in the night rifle.</div></div>

Definitely would choose the Aimpoint over 1-4x. I have no reference regarding the ACOG. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but the Aimpoint / 3x calls to me...and I like the option of just disco'ing it and putting it in the ruck if I don't need it for a given application (ie: might only use it while hunting).

 

[Witch_Doctor]

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I like the Aimpoint's over EOTech's, but thats another thread. I have been contemplating getting a short dot, but just can't see the advantage over the 3x. I can reach out to 300yds-400yds without any issues, and like the above post said, its like cheating. I like the versatility of the 3x especially with the LaRue flip mount. No need to take it off the gun, just flip to the side and move on. It does add a bit of weight, but if you know you won't need it just pop it off and stow it in your ruck.

 

[BERTMAN77MK2]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

my vote is for Eotech w/multiplier for the ranges and purposes
listed

i like aimpoints also but my fav handsdown is the T1 and have not
tried or seen it with a multiplier

 

[boom2336]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

Well I just thought of this. One option if you want both red dot and magnifying try the ACOG with the Dotor Sight on top. You get a x4 that you can reach out and touch someone/oinker, then sitting on top you have a red dot that is, I believe a 7MOA red dot. Yea not surgical but definetly can take care of a bump in the night. Or.....

The new Force Recon set up is an ACOG on top then they have another set of Rails offset at a 45 degree angle with an EOTech mounted on that. So a simple can of the rifle and you have your CQB sights. Just a thought.

 

[paulo_santos]

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Just an FYI on the micro red dot on top of the ACOG. I've had the DOC, JPoint, and a Burris and they all suffered from the same issue that plagues the ACOG, which is the washout issue when in a dark room. Now there are newer micro red dots that have a on/off/auto setting that takes care of that issue. But you still have sight height, which is around 4.5", which is not good for a cheek weld and those micro red dot can be hard to pick up the dot from different positions. In other words, not very tactical. And zeroing them can be a nightmare. Other than that, they are great. LOL.

 

[XedgeX]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

hey guys, this is my first post but it's actually something I can contribute to (in addition to lurking and learning

.. I've got the Eotech G23 magnifier sitting behind an Eotech XPS on my AR and can definitely vouch for its capabilities at the range you indicated. Last weekend, I consistently hit steel at 250 while kneeling and prone with the 3X. The quick release and FTS feature is great and FAST.

A buddy of mine has the Accupoint, and while the reticle is cool, I liked the glass on the Eotech better. My buddy and I both agreed the 4 vs. 3 magnification wasn't even noticeable. The price of the Eotech pair is about the same as the Accupoint, but IMO the Eotech (or Aimpoint) setup is much more versatile.

 

[smokshwn]

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If your choice is truly either a magnifier or a 1-4 there is nothing that the aimpoint/eotech magnifier can do that the 1-4 won't do better. That is assuming that you choose a true 1x optic and that it has daytime visible illumination. Personally I really like the Meopta Kdot.

As far as mounting an accessory red dot on the top of a scope it is a loser as there are much better options. You can try a Burkett offset mount or even better one of these from Firebird
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102945

 

[Ishikawa]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hey guys, this is my first post </div></div>

Off topic, but just wanted to say it's good to see new folks that contribute! Welcome to the Hide!

 

[KevinB-KAC]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

Generally if your talking a x3 magnifier or a 1-4x, the 1-4 will be a better setup.
Yes the 1x setting will not be as forgiving a an Eo or Aimpoint, but for longer work the x4 will allow for tgt descrimination better and for longer work will have a BDC on the turret.

For a bump in the night gun Aimpoint hands down. Nothing you can legally engage in a civilian defense situation will benifit from added mag.

I've run ShortDot's in carbine classes and overseas, and I prefer that to x3's as the magnifiers always seem to be around when you don't want it and off when you need it, I played with several different ACOG's, Elcans, aimpoints and Eo's (both those two with and w/o magnifiers) before I came to that conclusion.
However my HD carbine has a T1 Aimpoint and SF X300 light.

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinB-KAC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Generally if your talking a x3 magnifier or a 1-4x, the 1-4 will be a better setup.
Yes the 1x setting will not be as forgiving a an Eo or Aimpoint, but for longer work the x4 will allow for tgt descrimination better and for longer work will have a BDC on the turret.

For a bump in the night gun Aimpoint hands down. Nothing you can legally engage in a civilian defense situation will benifit from added mag.

I've run ShortDot's in carbine classes and overseas, and I prefer that to x3's as the magnifiers always seem to be around when you don't want it and off when you need it, I played with several different ACOG's, Elcans, aimpoints and Eo's (both those two with and w/o magnifiers) before I came to that conclusion.
However my HD carbine has a T1 Aimpoint and SF X300 light.

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Hey Kevin, how have you been? Good points.
This is what I learned when using the Red Dots with magnifier and 1x4 scopes: When using the 3xMagnifier, or a 1x4 scope for that matter, the default setting should be on 1x so it will be ready for the most dangerous targets, which are generally the closest ones to you. This applies to combat, LE, and Home Defense situations.

 

[KevinB-KAC]

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Doing well. I agree on your points about leaving them at 1x unless needed. I can't see a need for my ShortDot on my HD gun, and I've got no love from the magnifiers. I always seem to get my sling in them when transitioning or debussing a vehicle cause I have it off axis.

Plus I have the SD on my 16 Lilja barreled Recce.

 

[XedgeX]

Re: eotech/aimpoint w magnifer vs. 1-4 scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ishikawa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hey guys, this is my first post </div></div>

Off topic, but just wanted to say it's good to see new folks that contribute! Welcome to the Hide! </div></div>

Thanks! This place is definitely an excellent resource


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