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The WHO said it cant be transmitted between people. Fauci said early on that this virus is no worse than a bad flu. The NYC physicians said its hands to face transmission. Now it supposedly is contagious just breathing by someone and you can get it paddle boarding here in the US and hunting in Australia. When are they telling the truth and when are they lying? I will answer that question. Our chosen ones are always lying.
I ain't denying the virus.

But the big guns that were supposed to be leading the trenches and advising the President fell on their swords. Blaming China for lying is not an excuse for something of this magnitude. People don't get it so there will not be an accounting now. But there will be an accounting when the movers and shakers of this thing meet their maker. I would not want to be in their shoes.
 

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from a guy looking in from the outside all i see is dumbocrat bashing or rebubblican bashing. what happened to "we're americans first, why dont we look after each other?" works here in australia. when we see someone in need we stop and ask, "you ok mate?"

other than most of us hiding behind a "nick" all i see is people guessing who is at fault and with plenty of opinions, and you know what they say about opinions right? now this is my opinion... ?

when you separate politics and religion from a conversation most will find common ground, well to a point. lets see common ground could be, oh hang on we're on a firearms related forum, maybe that could be seen as common ground? just a thought.

political bashing parties gets one no where. want to make yourself heard, why not do it at the polling booth? seems to work here even though im yet to see mickey mouse win an election.

people should be asking more questions and the most important question to any scenario is "cui bono" (who benefits)?

now if you can put aside the gazillion races on this rock and ask who benefits you might get close to the answer. and you probably dont need to watch the simpsons for the answer either.

did anyone notice how big companies get quite a large bailout and the average joe/jane gets a tip? yes its happening here also. all i have to look at is ford and gm/holden that got bailed out and theyve both left the room here. its like winning the lottery without having to buy a ticket.

how many people know of others who are in trouble due to not being able to go to work or have lost their job due to this virus? bet theyll be out on the street in no time when the too big to fail banks take their homes back cause they cant keep up with repayments. sound familiar? it was only 2008 when this happened last. how much more debt are govts around the world creating on the backs of their citizens? maybe people like being slaves to the corporate machine that seems to get away without paying their fair share of tax and poor citizen joe and jane get stuck with their countries debt.

like i said in another thread, theres more to the story than meets the eye (sounds like a transformers punch-line). will it be too late when people find out? that is the question.
 
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As agendas grew so did fear mongering



And finally

Last question where is the court room proof this C-19 is as reported? Not hear say, or he said he/she was there B/S. Where are the hospital photos/videos of this. Where are the lines of sick people? Remember Court room proof,.... Hollywood must not have been consulted prior, or the so called eye proof, would have been ready from the onset,... Like how when called on a B/S photo the media has no reply except,... Oh sorry our bad. Yet the sheep now believe that shit an panic into yet a feeding frenzy.
 
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This morning Fox had a NYC doctor on the show. He said that he was at a hospital, I don't recall which, last night and it was packed. That every bed in the hospital is being turned into a COVID 19 patient bed. He went on to say that they were finding bodies in homes in Brooklyn. Not just one or two but many.
I haven't been able to find anything on the WWW to back up his bullshit. Anyone hear about this?
I can't find anything where patients are being sent to the Samaritan Purse set up or the Mercy Ship.
 

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Some have also put 5g and c19 in the same basket. I can't see how the two can be related even with the LACK of evidence that 5g is safe as govts claim shouting from the backs of the lobbyists who are pushing 5g. I guess it's easy to fool a lemming. How fucking impatient must a person be they can't wait to download (steal) something off the internet? Dial-up Napster days anyone?

More whistle blowers needed I say!
 

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Why is Fox or anyone else not showing hours of video coverage of this? .
Managing the sheep.
Hours of horrific covering might stampede the sheep. Might turn them against something like the news reporting about the Vietnam war polarized the antiwar segment.
The current views are similar to the barking of the sheepdog herding, turning, or circling the sheep herd into a self protective ball.
Just enough to alarm them into a protective movement.

In another scenario, hours of video could return segments back to 65 Watts, and later Miami and again, California forcing shop keepers to roof tops.

Or could turn some to put cargo vans near courthouses and daycares.

Hours of VIDEO could easily light that fuse.

Currently the hours of MEDIA dont paint that picture, perhaps an intentional gentler massage, a less demanding message, to guide the herd in a more manageable posture.

A maternal-paternal governorship could be messaging-massaging for their herds benefit, keeping them calmer, busier, occupied, and fed, and healthier.

A more evil step-parent type governorship could be messaging-massaging their herd for a different outcome using the same messaging-massaging technique.

The sheep herd will respond to these effective techniques, by feeding loosely trusting the dog; circled herd, feeding nervously, and nervous of the dog; or in full stampede.

The wolf pack outside the herd waits for the opportunity to feed. The message-massage alerts the pack to better feeding opportunities depending on the packs level of hunger and wellbeing.

It's pretty simple, to some of us.
The lack of video hours has been ordered so not to panic the herd, either by good parenting, or the evil step parent,
Or,
It doesnt exist.

Looking at the current media, if one compares NY governer C's reported comments, versus AL governor I's comments, the difference is very visible.

One appears angry, confrontational, and passing blame, and it's harder to see what is offered in people choice/responsibility to providing the solution.
One appears concerned, helpful, accepting responsibility, and giving more people choice/responsibility to the solution.

Depending on experience levels, individuals will have a different viewpoint on the effectiveness of those two governors, or reading their intent toward their people and state.

Until we very visibly see leaders pushing their governed to a united solution, like FDR did in depression and WW2 America, or two dictators did in the same time frame, we will have to use both our common sense and frames of reference to determine the benefits of those two governors actions.

EDIT: For less experienced readers, it is wise to view all media with the caveat "cui bono" or who profits.

If the leadership edict appears to serve only governmental interests and you can see it financially or actually physically harming you and everybody else around you, well then.

If you see it harming 75%, well then.
If you see it harming 50%, 25%, or 10%, again, well then....

If the governors edict benefits 80%, has loss, but recovery for 10%, has loss but slower recovery for 5%, and total loss for 5% requiring government recovery,

Compare that to edicts that only benefit the government, or the top 20%, and all recovery is dependent on the governance, and see more clearly which has the peoples interest at heart.
THAT is not rocket science. Choose wisely which form of governance you will support or believe.

In the benefit example where the lower 20% will have a degree of suck. They already do... this is just worst case.... that 5% on the bottom has always been around. There is no easy answer to financial equality in the real world.

To any person reading or offering opinion, think of the leadership potential your offering provides, tin-foil, chicken little, or solid evidence based opinion.
Know full well some will call tf, or cl, to solid evidence based opinion, when the caller has no frame of reference in experiences.

A certain amount of civility and respect is required here in response. Better to make a friend than enemy, and consider if your response will offer positive leadership, or divisiveness. Try for the positive. Please.

Best to you all. 40/40/20
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Could the agenda be to turn what was once peasants into a changing force? Sometimes one has to swallow a poison pill to reach the long term end game. Whose economy will suffer the worst from this in the long haul? People who have always had it easy by working some sort of one trick pony job, or people who had to live off the land via scraps from their gov, then those same people started to prosper via the sub benefits of capitalism? Then all that was quickly taken away from them via this. Who would rebel more in larger numbers?

The proof is not there that this is even close to what is being portrayed, all we have is a guy told me that a guy told him, B/S. There is much more to this horseshit than meets the eye. Court room proof,... there is none to be had,... for if there were it would be in your face 24/7 not just he said she said B/S.

Even Spooky says it's not what being shoved down everyone's throat. That is telling,... in & of it's self
 
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Could be...
The smarter levels of higher government recognize this was a 5th gen warfare attack.

Could be...
They are responding in a way to maintain control and reduce panic, to reduce the demands for immediate retaliation, and recover enough from the attack to marshall a strong defensive force and infrastructure. Per Sun Tzu, appear strong when weak.
Could be...

Could be....
Certain parties are old style quislings or 5th columns, and are working against one side to benefit their own. Not neccessary the side that struck the blow, nor the side defending.
Could be....

Could be....
Not the first time in a crisis, the government hasn't told the truth, to get to a strong point, to win against an outside attack, because there is no other way to unite the divided opinions of the people.
Could well be....

And could be our grandchildren learn the truth one day.

I see some things like that, but, I'm not ready to say definitively "that's it"!!

Fat lady hasn't sung yet, the newest opera is still in motion, the end not known...



And, Spooky ain't the only one said it, or saying it. Lots of people arent listening.

Some are, and are spinning it, for the opportunity in confusion. Some for less reason. Some for just stupid. Reading all the threads on covid is giving evidence of thought processes, and the frustration competent leadership will face cleaning this up.
 
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And the same levels of frustration individuals are going to have cleaning up. Some of the thoughts seen in the threads...

That's enough to sour the morning coffee...

Good farmer weeds the crop and no fox or skunk in the chicken house. Carl, go take care of that. Ummhmmm.
 
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Could the agenda be to turn what was once peasants into a changing force? Sometimes one has to swallow a poison pill to reach the long term end game. Whose economy will suffer the worst from this in the long haul? People who have always had it easy by working some sort of one trick pony job, or people who had to live off the land via scraps from their gov, then those same people started to prosper via the sub benefits of capitalism? Then all that was quickly taken away from them via this. Who would rebel more in larger numbers?

The proof is not there that this is even close to what is being portrayed, all we have is a guy told me that a guy told him, B/S. There is much more to this horseshit than meets the eye. Court room proof,... there is none to be had,... for if there were it would be in your face 24/7 not just he said she said B/S.

Even Spooky says it's not what being shoved down everyone's throat. That is telling,... in & of it's self
If you want to know the real agenda behind this pandemic, you should schedule a Zoom meeting with your Maker. Depending on His mood, he may tell you that we needed to be reminded not to put too many chicken in one coop unless we want to find a lot of dead chicken one day. The fact that we put the chicken in several densely packed coops around the globe and made them travel between the coops makes little difference.

Like the space shuttle Challenger disaster, this pandemic is not an accident or a conspiracy, it is a predictable surprise. There were plenty of warnings about failing o-rings on space shuttle SRBs and similarly we had H1N1, MERS, and SARS-CoV-1 as recent warning signs. It was clear to everyone with a few brain cells to rub together that something more contagious would be a bitch to deal with in our current global society.

Btw: "The recent coronavirus is just another instance in the long history of zoonoses —diseases that jump from animals to humans. The domestication of the horse led to the virus responsible for the common cold in humans, while the domestication of chickens gave humans chickenpox, shingles, and various strains of the bird flu. Pigs were the source of influenza, and measles, smallpox, and tuberculosis emerged from cattle. When a virus successfully jumps species from an animal to a human (“patient zero”), and that version of the virus in turn succeeds in making the jump to a second human, those two people become the first two human vectors of human-to-human virus transmission."

While we go smacked in the face, consider us lucky and imagine a pathogen as contagious as SARS-CoV-2 and as deadly as the bubonic plague. Something like this is totally in the realm of biological possibilities and if we bumble that one as badly as we did the current one, we deserve to be wiped off this planet.

As far as proof for the seriousness of this virus spread is concerned:

We put mangled-up cars in front of high schools because teenagers lack a part of the brain function that relates abstract evidence to tangible, personal consequences. Most adults can be convinced to drive more sanely by understanding that the energy working against your life in an accident increases with the square of the velocity. Twice as fast hurts four times more. However there remains a small group whose mind is made up and who cannot be bothered with facts, no matter how many facts you present in various ways.

You could drop a dead Covid-19 patient on their dinner table with x-rays, tissue samples, RNA profiles, etc. and they would still argue that the patient died from something else. Something inside their brain is unable to accept reality as it presents itself and adapt to it. The most drastic case I know was a guy who considered reshaping high-explosive cast boosters with a hammer a good idea. The only thing that could stop him from that behavior was him vanishing in a pink mist one day. Needless to say, the truck he used as a work bench was also a goner.

I have a hard time believing that you fall in this category after you -thankfully- encouraged us here for a long time to be prepared for unexpected events.
 
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He really doesnt fall in that category.

His concern seems more to what political end the government response closing everything, and the chicken little sky is falling medical fail, related to the economic failure it has created.
Believing a hidden power play behind a real crisis when visual evidence doesnt match MSM reporting and doing a mental table top to help others prepare.

Such in that vein.

Sometimes articulation skills fail, and printed media fails to deliver nuance or intended meaning.
 

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You do realize that China has a huge trade surplus with the world and depends on that. Why would they trash their customer's economies? They are going to suffer badly from the economic fallout of this pandemic at a time when their growth rate was already in question..

You do realize the goal of a communist totalitarian government like China's is not to sell shit to people right? They could care less about making money, if tomorrow they decide their citizens should work for free they would work for free.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity - Hanlons' razor. The lab in Wuhan collected samples from bats and people in adjacent remote villages to study zoonotic transmission (from animal to human) and the shit got out of their hands. Patient zero was a lab employee and they failed to contain it. The party was lying to the world to save face and then the travel for Chinese New Year really let the horse out of the barn.

Using "stupidity" is an excellent ploy. Infecting thousands of willing or unwilling volunteers and shipping them to every major country is a perfect way to spread a disease. Especially if the disease has a 10-14 incubation period. Their disease ridden citizens can travel undetected and then get sick in your country. Never assume a country who made a public declaration that they would deny the US much needed medical supplies that they control( made by their supreme leader about two weeks ago) isn't fully aware of what they are doing.

This pandemic is going to cause an unprecedented GLOBAL recession. Our country is in the enviable position that we can live well without having to rely much on imports or exports. We have enough brains, food, natural resources, and space to make it happen. We have climate ranging from arctic to tropic for all conceivable food and enough oil and raw metals/materials under the soil for our industrial needs.

Yes, America might survive. EXCEPT our own communists, people like Joe Biden, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi and organizations like CNN, NBC, CBS and MSN work directly for their Chinese overlords and are in fact pushing the communist party mandates for destroying business, restricting your right to work and travel. As we speak America hating socialists are demanding more legal election FRAUD demanding we legalize vote harvesting, multi-voting, no ID required voting and every other crooked voting scheme ever devised as part of "stimulus".

The survivors of this disease have the opportunity to become the 2nd great generation for this country. It will be tremendously hard for everyone but the life we lived yesterday was not sustainable anyway. You cannot grow your debt at four times the rate of your GDP and hope to get away with it forever. The best time for a "haircut" is when the music stops and everyone is done dancing for a while - like now.

WTF do you even mean? Survivors? are you shitting me? 98% of Americans have not nor will they ever get this virus. The leftists in this country are demanding TRILLIONS in additional stimulus, not one god damned dollar is being saved nor are they demanding we lower our budget or cut their spending. America's GDP for 2019 was $21.44 TRILLION dollars, even today's fucked up budget it only 25% of GDP. You are seriously uninformed.

This "global supply chain" bullshit for quarterly profits and bonuses will stop, "Made in USA" will become a symbol of quality again. Our borders will be respected and protected at gun point. Those things I am going to bet on unless the conservatives croak in large numbers because of conspiracy theories and hubris towards the virus. Please take this pandemic serious and make sure that you are alive for the next election. With some luck we may even get to punishing rather than rewarding any form of parasitism and send those packing who have nothing better to do than to badmouth this country, its culture, and achievements.

I'm not a fan of importing products critical for daily life anyway. Made in USA has always been a symbol of quality, except at GM of course. Having a serious outbreak of a virus is one thing, having a contrived disaster created by the media, using false facts provided by leftist news groups and living in a panic created by democrat elected officials like that fucktard governor of New York is the problem. Every disaster described so far is a disaster in the near future, not one single sick American has been denied a respirator. Not one single sick American has been denied a hospital bed.

The New York elected officials deliberately sent infected people to the Comfort hospital ship to spread disease....................it was not an "accident". Are you shitting me? How the hell do you mistake anything for covid-19? 99% of the additional medical facilities stood up in this crisis are empty or have the absolute minimum of patients. Those 5,000 ventilators we sent to New York...............................every one is unused so far and they are demanding more.
 

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You do realize that China has a huge trade surplus with the world and depends on that. Why would they trash their customer's economies? They are going to suffer badly from the economic fallout of this pandemic at a time when their growth rate was already in question..

You do realize the goal of a communist totalitarian government like China's is not to sell shit to people right? They could care less about making money, if tomorrow they decide their citizens should work for free they would work for free.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity - Hanlons' razor. The lab in Wuhan collected samples from bats and people in adjacent remote villages to study zoonotic transmission (from animal to human) and the shit got out of their hands. Patient zero was a lab employee and they failed to contain it. The party was lying to the world to save face and then the travel for Chinese New Year really let the horse out of the barn.

Using "stupidity" is an excellent ploy. Infecting thousands of willing or unwilling volunteers and shipping them to every major country is a perfect way to spread a disease. Especially if the disease has a 10-14 incubation period. Their disease ridden citizens can travel undetected and then get sick in your country. Never assume a country who made a public declaration that they would deny the US much needed medical supplies that they control( made by their supreme leader about two weeks ago) isn't fully aware of what they are doing.

This pandemic is going to cause an unprecedented GLOBAL recession. Our country is in the enviable position that we can live well without having to rely much on imports or exports. We have enough brains, food, natural resources, and space to make it happen. We have climate ranging from arctic to tropic for all conceivable food and enough oil and raw metals/materials under the soil for our industrial needs.

Yes, America might survive. EXCEPT our own communists, people like Joe Biden, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi and organizations like CNN, NBC, CBS and MSN work directly for their Chinese overlords and are in fact pushing the communist party mandates for destroying business, restricting your right to work and travel. As we speak America hating socialists are demanding more legal election FRAUD demanding we legalize vote harvesting, multi-voting, no ID required voting and every other crooked voting scheme ever devised as part of "stimulus".

The survivors of this disease have the opportunity to become the 2nd great generation for this country. It will be tremendously hard for everyone but the life we lived yesterday was not sustainable anyway. You cannot grow your debt at four times the rate of your GDP and hope to get away with it forever. The best time for a "haircut" is when the music stops and everyone is done dancing for a while - like now.

WTF do you even mean? Survivors? are you shitting me? 98% of Americans have not nor will they ever get this virus. The leftists in this country are demanding TRILLIONS in additional stimulus, not one god damned dollar is being saved nor are they demanding we lower our budget or cut their spending. America's GDP for 2019 was $21.44 TRILLION dollars, even today's fucked up budget it only 25% of GDP. You are seriously uninformed.

This "global supply chain" bullshit for quarterly profits and bonuses will stop, "Made in USA" will become a symbol of quality again. Our borders will be respected and protected at gun point. Those things I am going to bet on unless the conservatives croak in large numbers because of conspiracy theories and hubris towards the virus. Please take this pandemic serious and make sure that you are alive for the next election. With some luck we may even get to punishing rather than rewarding any form of parasitism and send those packing who have nothing better to do than to badmouth this country, its culture, and achievements.

I'm not a fan of importing products critical for daily life anyway. Made in USA has always been a symbol of quality, except at GM of course. Having a serious outbreak of a virus is one thing, having a contrived disaster created by the media, using false facts provided by leftist news groups and living in a panic created by democrat elected officials like that fucktard governor of New York is the problem. Every disaster described so far is a disaster in the near future, not one single sick American has been denied a respirator. Not one single sick American has been denied a hospital bed.

The New York elected officials deliberately sent infected people to the Comfort hospital ship to spread disease....................it was not an "accident". Are you shitting me? How the hell do you mistake anything for covid-19? 99% of the additional medical facilities stood up in this crisis are empty or have the absolute minimum of patients. Those 5,000 ventilators we sent to New York...............................every one is unused so far and they are demanding more.
Going along with part of your narrative, one early warning still visible today, but, ignored by too many.

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He really doesnt fall in that category.

His concern seems more to what political end the government response closing everything, and the chicken little sky is falling medical fail, related to the economic failure it has created.
Believing a hidden power play behind a real crisis when visual evidence doesnt match MSM reporting and doing a mental table top to help others prepare.

Such in that vein.

Sometimes articulation skills fail, and printed media fails to deliver nuance or intended meaning.
Trying to get people to think out side the box is almost a lost cause, in this country anymore. Being fat & happy is after all a mental disorder propagated by the so called elite. It's interesting how people respond, when just the cell phone/internet is down or fucks up. Only then do they realize how dependent they have become on a controlled device, yet they say they are not controlled? Yet they happily throw money at the issue get back to what they think is "Normal". Laughing,... just wait until the new normal is rolled out,..your starting to see just a glimmer of that to come.

Stay in that box folks, you'll feel better sucking uncles tit the rest of your lives,... I've live long/threw enough shit to never trust most stuff at face value. Who has lied to me the most in my time on this rock,...those elected an their lackeys. Follow the money an power, the truth always comes out. Even then the sheep just keep grazing as long as the dogs keep working, an just a few sheep are sheered every so often.
 

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You do realize that China has a huge trade surplus with the world and depends on that. Why would they trash their customer's economies? They are going to suffer badly from the economic fallout of this pandemic at a time when their growth rate was already in question..

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity - Hanlons' razor. The lab in Wuhan collected samples from bats and people in adjacent remote villages to study zoonotic transmission (from animal to human) and the shit got out of their hands. Patient zero was a lab employee and they failed to contain it. The party was lying to the world to save face and then the travel for Chinese New Year really let the horse out of the barn.

This pandemic is going to cause an unprecedented GLOBAL recession. Our country is in the enviable position that we can live well without having to rely much on imports or exports. We have enough brains, food, natural resources, and space to make it happen. We have climate ranging from arctic to tropic for all conceivable food and enough oil and raw metals/materials under the soil for our industrial needs.

The survivors of this disease have the opportunity to become the 2nd great generation for this country. It will be tremendously hard for everyone but the life we lived yesterday was not sustainable anyway. You cannot grow your debt at four times the rate of your GDP and hope to get away with it forever. The best time for a "haircut" is when the music stops and everyone is done dancing for a while - like now.

This "global supply chain" bullshit for quarterly profits and bonuses will stop, "Made in USA" will become a symbol of quality again. Our borders will be respected and protected at gun point. Those things I am going to bet on unless the conservatives croak in large numbers because of conspiracy theories and hubris towards the virus. Please take this pandemic serious and make sure that you are alive for the next election. With some luck we may even get to punishing rather than rewarding any form of parasitism and send those packing who have nothing better to do than to badmouth this country, its culture, and achievements.
Because their customers will go into debt, to get the supplies that their countrymen have sold out their country for by moving production to China - 90+% of pharmaceuticals and a high percentage of PPE are made in Hubei province - That's where Wuhan is located. They ramp up production as everyone else is locked down, and they get some relief/offsets from the US tariffs.
 
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Damn it. Do people not read. As I stated in another post, in October of last year Nancy Pelosi said on Live TV that Congress was going to take down the Trump economy. She wanted this because she knew it was his biggest asset for re-election. This was at the heels of the impeachment bullshit that didn’t work out as planned. Now I’m sure I’d have a hard time finding that aired piece now as it’s likely been scrubbed. I know I know once on the interwebs always on there, right? Yeah no. Anyways, here is a written piece that was done in mid February where she is setting up the next big bullshit act saying that the economy was floundering and had been for a long time and blah blah, then bam weeks later we have this manufactured pandemic, whether they worked with the Chinese to release it, whether they were paid to do so, whether is was a lone agent, or if it is just something they are all capitalizing on remains to be seen. Regardless, the effects of it are real. And who stands to gain the most from it? How much of that $2trillion is actually going to the people of this country? You tell me, is this all coincidence or not?


I must also point out that this comes at the heels of Trump hammering China with tariffs for months and months. Perhaps Congress and China worked together on this? China gets tariff relief while simultaneously bringing down the big economic giant and Congress gets to rob the taxpayers of a shit ton of money funneled somewhere without anyone even batting an eye. Yeah this is all bullshit and the sooner people wake up to it the better it will be. The time to mount, like I said, has done long come and gone. These people are running all over the sheeple in this country and the sheeple don’t even realize it. This country is gone. Sorry gents but it is. What I grew up with in the 80’s-90’s is gone. What any of you grew up with prior to that is gone. It was a good run but there ain’t no saving it because people don’t have the balls to do what needs to be done.
 

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You do realize that China has a huge trade surplus with the world and depends on that. Why would they trash their customer's economies? They are going to suffer badly from the economic fallout of this pandemic at a time when their growth rate was already in question..
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity - Hanlons' razor. The lab in Wuhan collected samples from bats and people in adjacent remote villages to study zoonotic transmission (from animal to human) and the shit got out of their hands. Patient zero was a lab employee and they failed to contain it. The party was lying to the world to save face and then the travel for Chinese New Year really let the horse out of the barn.
Huzzah. I haven't seen evidence that (to make a vast generalization) the chinese are particularly good at anything other than blatant plagiarism. To design and intentionally release a pathogen that spreads this elegantly that only has the basic effect of shutting down their money machine (retail in the rest of the developed world). And on top of that, made it all look like an accident. Yeah, right.

The survivors of this disease have the opportunity to become the 2nd great generation for this country. It will be tremendously hard for everyone but the life we lived yesterday was not sustainable anyway. You cannot grow your debt at four times the rate of your GDP and hope to get away with it forever. The best time for a "haircut" is when the music stops and everyone is done dancing for a while - like now.

This "global supply chain" bullshit for quarterly profits and bonuses will stop, "Made in USA" will become a symbol of quality again. Our borders will be respected and protected at gun point....
I hope you are right.

I am afraid, however, that for all the doom and gloom in the media, we are doing the right things with distancing and partial shutdowns. The thing about doing the right thing is that it lessens the blow from the virus. After this is all over, will we be left with the impression that this was actually serious, or will the net effect have been a month at home watching netflix?

If the latter, I'd predict business as usual pretty soon.


Hopefully not. Along the SARS timeline, we have been fortunate. SARS1 was highly fatal, but not particularly transmissible. SARS2 (this one) appears to be the opposite.

There is a non-zero probability that a mutation will occur that results in the worst of both - Highly fatal, highly transmissible, asymptomatic spread. So we need to work on domestic preparedness in both personnel and supplies. We need to aggressively fund ongoing research into vaccine programs for emerging diseases.

The prophet Ricky Bobby said, "If you ain't first, you're last."

Framed differently, after WWII, the US emerged at pole position geo-politically, and the powers that were wisely deduced that the US must never lose that position. This fight is no different.
 

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Damn it. Do people not read. As I stated in another post, in October of last year Nancy Pelosi said on Live TV that Congress was going to take down the Trump economy. She wanted this because she knew it was his biggest asset for re-election. This was at the heels of the impeachment bullshit that didn’t work out as planned. Now I’m sure I’d have a hard time finding that aired piece now as it’s likely been scrubbed. I know I know once on the interwebs always on there, right? Yeah no. Anyways, here is a written piece that was done in mid February where she is setting up the next big bullshit act saying that the economy was floundering and had been for a long time and blah blah, then bam weeks later we have this manufactured pandemic, whether they worked with the Chinese to release it, whether they were paid to do so, whether is was a lone agent, or if it is just something they are all capitalizing on remains to be seen. Regardless, the effects of it are real. And who stands to gain the most from it? How much of that $2trillion is actually going to the people of this country? You tell me, is this all coincidence or not?


I must also point out that this comes at the heels of Trump hammering China with tariffs for months and months. Perhaps Congress and China worked together on this? China gets tariff relief while simultaneously bringing down the big economic giant and Congress gets to rob the taxpayers of a shit ton of money funneled somewhere without anyone even batting an eye. Yeah this is all bullshit and the sooner people wake up to it the better it will be. The time to mount, like I said, has done long come and gone. These people are running all over the sheeple in this country and the sheeple don’t even realize it. This country is gone. Sorry gents but it is. What I grew up with in the 80’s-90’s is gone. What any of you grew up with prior to that is gone. It was a good run but there ain’t no saving it because people don’t have the balls to do what needs to be done.
 

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If you want to know the real agenda behind this pandemic, you should schedule a Zoom meeting with your Maker. Depending on His mood, he may tell you that we needed to be reminded not to put too many chicken in one coop unless we want to find a lot of dead chicken one day. The fact that we put the chicken in several densely packed coops around the globe and made them travel between the coops makes little difference.

Like the space shuttle Challenger disaster, this pandemic is not an accident or a conspiracy, it is a predictable surprise. There were plenty of warnings about failing o-rings on space shuttle SRBs and similarly we had H1N1, MERS, and SARS-CoV-1 as recent warning signs. It was clear to everyone with a few brain cells to rub together that something more contagious would be a bitch to deal with in our current global society.

Btw: "The recent coronavirus is just another instance in the long history of zoonoses —diseases that jump from animals to humans. The domestication of the horse led to the virus responsible for the common cold in humans, while the domestication of chickens gave humans chickenpox, shingles, and various strains of the bird flu. Pigs were the source of influenza, and measles, smallpox, and tuberculosis emerged from cattle. When a virus successfully jumps species from an animal to a human (“patient zero”), and that version of the virus in turn succeeds in making the jump to a second human, those two people become the first two human vectors of human-to-human virus transmission."

While we go smacked in the face, consider us lucky and imagine a pathogen as contagious as SARS-CoV-2 and as deadly as the bubonic plague. Something like this is totally in the realm of biological possibilities and if we bumble that one as badly as we did the current one, we deserve to be wiped off this planet.

As far as proof for the seriousness of this virus spread is concerned:

We put mangled-up cars in front of high schools because teenagers lack a part of the brain function that relates abstract evidence to tangible, personal consequences. Most adults can be convinced to drive more sanely by understanding that the energy working against your life in an accident increases with the square of the velocity. Twice as fast hurts four times more. However there remains a small group whose mind is made up and who cannot be bothered with facts, no matter how many facts you present in various ways.

You could drop a dead Covid-19 patient on their dinner table with x-rays, tissue samples, RNA profiles, etc. and they would still argue that the patient died from something else. Something inside their brain is unable to accept reality as it presents itself and adapt to it. The most drastic case I know was a guy who considered reshaping high-explosive cast boosters with a hammer a good idea. The only thing that could stop him from that behavior was him vanishing in a pink mist one day. Needless to say, the truck he used as a work bench was also a goner.

I have a hard time believing that you fall in this category after you -thankfully- encouraged us here for a long time to be prepared for unexpected events.
Do you drink?

Do you smoke?

Do you drive a car?

Are you overweight?

Do you shoot guns?

Do you dive?

Do you ride a motorcycle/ATV/UTV/Race Car/etc.?

Do you cross busy streets?

Do you use pain killers for injuries?

Do you have family history of heart diesease?

Pretty sure all of these are deadly, do you need a fat, drunk, druggie, motorcyle riding dead person on a table to convince you otherwise? Pretty sure we all get the idea that all of those contribute to bad outcomes.......eventually! Some people change/adjust, some don't! Pretty sure we can all choose how much of a threat we wan't this to be to us personally without any outside assistance! We sure as f*uck don't need the gov't shutting shit down and mandating change for "OUR BENEFIT"!
 

alpine44

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Do you drink?

Do you smoke?

Do you drive a car?

Are you overweight?

Do you shoot guns?

Do you dive?

Do you ride a motorcycle/ATV/UTV/Race Car/etc.?

Do you cross busy streets?

Do you use pain killers for injuries?

Do you have family history of heart diesease?

Pretty sure all of these are deadly, do you need a fat, drunk, druggie, motorcyle riding dead person on a table to convince you otherwise? Pretty sure we all get the idea that all of those contribute to bad outcomes.......eventually! Some people change/adjust, some don't! Pretty sure we can all choose how much of a threat we wan't this to be to us personally without any outside assistance! We sure as f*uck don't need the gov't shutting shit down and mandating change for "OUR BENEFIT"!
.... don't need the gov't shutting shit down and mandating change for "OUR BENEFIT"!

I still have not gotten even an attempt of an answer from any of the deniers about what the benefits are if you ignore the safety precautions and flirt with a chance of experiencing ARDS. (please watch the linked video from a MD for med students - not some Left wing propaganda.)
  • If it is about your rights, they were gone the day the orders were issued, not the day you stayed home or put your mask on.
  • Whether your job is gone or not does not depend on how you act in your private life.
  • How deep the world economy will be in the shitter is also absolutely independent of your opinion or behavior.
But maybe I am missing something. Please enlighten me.
 

DarnYankeeUSMC

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You're reading comprehension is showing.
But please go ahead and list the names of the deniers and a quote from them that cemented your beliefs.
.... don't need the gov't shutting shit down and mandating change for "OUR BENEFIT"!

I still have not gotten even an attempt of an answer from any of the deniers about what the benefits are if you ignore the safety precautions and flirt with a chance of experiencing ARDS. (please watch the linked video from a MD for med students - not some Left wing propaganda.)
  • If it is about your rights, they were gone the day the orders were issued, not the day you stayed home or put your mask on.
  • Whether your job is gone or not does not depend on how you act in your private life.
  • How deep the world economy will be in the shitter is also absolutely independent of your opinion or behavior.
But maybe I am missing something. Please enlighten me.
 

DarnYankeeUSMC

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