Felt like I should share this

[bllistc]

So I post on another forum called Quora from time to time. Usually stuff related to firearms. Someone asked a question about what’s better. AR15 vs AR10. And this gem was a reply to an answer.

Now I’m just a simple gun nut. Never been in the military or a firefight. But something tells me I wouldn’t have the greatest accuracy when people are shooting back at me. Also, pretty sure all the branches of the military frown heavily upon random spraying. Am I way off base here or can I continue to laugh at this guy?

 

[pmclaine]

I remember reading a high round count statistic per kill but it was probably just based off gross stats like total rounds expended and enemy hit.

It didn't take into account some of that fire was harassing fire, suppressive fire or some other thing.

I don't doubt rounds to enemy down is high but it's not that high.

The relative number of soldiers actually firing at the enemy in terms of all the support behind them is low.

 

[BullGear]

The AR15/M16/M4 are all used by the US military. I would assume they understand the reason for the 5.56 caliber. It's deadly enough and it comes in a lightweight package. The AR10 is a little more heavy duty. The grunts wouldn't be able to carry as much ammo into battle. The AR10, with it's increased recoil wouldn't allow as easy of a follow up shot.

Those are my thoughts.

 

[Alphatreedog]

So I'll qualify that I'm not military or an authority . I qm quite interested in militaria and shooting so I watch alot of these programs and read .
There are alot of factors involded in those numbers .
- Suppressive fire .
Fire and maneuver is an integral part of tactics . Suppressive fire is volume to keep heads down .
- Forward OPs .
I've seen programs on these outposts where everyone is pouring rounds to 800 plus yards . It always appears that the enemy contact is nuetralized with mortar , artillery or an airstike . I'm referencing mountainous Afghanistan.
-On the argument for 5.56 , the Marine's in Irag were investigated due to the abnormally high numbers of head shots . There was concernthat Marine's were executing insurgents . As it would turn out Marines are just incredibly good shots . OOO RAhh . Good job and thank you Marine Corps .
- When you are a small unit on patrol and make contact with seemingly the whole of the fuckin Insurgent world I can understand the desire to fill every square fuckin inch of air with hate in the form of 5.56 lead in the hope that there is a tear in the fuckin space time continuum and you wind up in the bed of a 400 pound Dependapotimus back in Conus .
As for the very last statement , don't be an A hole and fuck your buddie's bovine Vjayjay.
So yeah those numbers are possible .

 

[pmclaine]

The AR15/M16/M4 are all used by the US military. I would assume they understand the reason for the 5.56 caliber. It's deadly enough and it comes in a lightweight package. The AR10 is a little more heavy duty. The grunts wouldn't be able to carry as much ammo into battle. The AR10, with it's increased recoil wouldn't allow as easy of a follow up shot.

Those are my thoughts.

Kyle Rittenhouse endorses the .224 version AR.

 

[Lapuapalooza]

That guys must have included training rounds in his equation.

 

[bllistc]

The AR15/M16/M4 are all used by the US military. I would assume they understand the reason for the 5.56 caliber. It's deadly enough and it comes in a lightweight package. The AR10 is a little more heavy duty. The grunts wouldn't be able to carry as much ammo into battle. The AR10, with it's increased recoil wouldn't allow as easy of a follow up shot.

Those are my thoughts.

That’s pretty much exactly what I posted with the addition that there differences in the DPMS and armalite pattern rifles that can make it tricky to build an AR10 compared to and AR15

 

[IrishWind]

HArd to equate snipers vs line infantry. Especially when you add in called up reservists and NG units. Hard to compare "Make each shot count" vs "Keep shooting till the threat is gone" mind sets.

 

[MadDuner]

Somewhere some bean counter is trying to make sense out of it all.
It’s not his ass getting shot at.

 

[hlee]

Not official nor scientific, but some simple math...

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[IrishWind]

Oh man. I miss the days when 200$ was enough to get 1000 rounds of Israeli M193/Winchester White Box delivered to my doorstep.

 

[TheGerman]

It's one of those things where its true on paper but as soon as you are out there, its totally different.

Basic US infantry doctrine puts a base of fire as the 'center' of a manuever. Generally, this would be the SAW (in a perfect scenerio) but not always. Regardless, the basic premise is that this base of fire engage and suppress the enemy and their movements while flanking elements work there way towards the enemy and destroy them.

This generally requires a good amount of ammunition to sustain.

On a larger scale in places like Afghanistan where you didn't really bump patrols at closer ranges but rather get pot shotted at from 500+ yards by and assortment of Mosin Nagents, AK's and a PKM; the distance to close was much greater and usually resulted in not being able to successfully flank/advance on the enemy in time or had you at a disadvantage as the engagement started with you in a far ambush with nothing but open ground between you and them.

This scenerio is where the push of 'firepower superiority' all of a sudden came from. It's literally, get as many guys shooting in the general direction of the enemy and hope you have more people effectively shooting/suppressing than they do. This was a 2 part approach to 'winning' these engagements; first, your offense put them in the defense, thus having them shoot at you less. Second, if they weren't very smart or experienced, this would pin them for enough time to get your flanking elements onto them (unlikely as they were usually pretty far and in an elevated/superior position), get lucky with some column of gun trucks were passing by and could form up on a blocking manuever or to have CAS show up, as calling them is pretty much Step2 these days preceded by only 'start shooting back'. However, they would mostly be withdrawn by then as they have our CAS response times down pretty well and/or limit themselves to a set amount of engagement time and then pull back.

You can imagine how many rounds have gone out in just a 2 minute ordeal with this bullshit.

So take those scenerios and replace all of our weapons with bolt guns or something and let me know how you envision that working itself out.

P.S. - Accuracy based weapons require standoff distance as well as make the element 'slow' as you have to stop/aim to effectively engage the enemy.