Rifle Scopes FFP with mil-mil
Re: FFP with mil-mil
You found the two under $1500 but there is also Nightforce, S&B, Premier Reticles, and USO but they are more than $1500. Cheapest would be Nightforce at around $2290 street price but it also comes with a set of rings and sunshade.
You found the two under $1500 but there is also Nightforce, S&B, Premier Reticles, and USO but they are more than $1500. Cheapest would be Nightforce at around $2290 street price but it also comes with a set of rings and sunshade.
Re: FFP with mil-mil
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cheapest would be Nightforce at around $2290 street price</div></div>
A bare bones USO SN-3 (ERGO) is cheaper, it's at $1920.
http://www.usoptics.com/product.php?partnumber=SN3-1700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cheapest would be Nightforce at around $2290 street price</div></div>
A bare bones USO SN-3 (ERGO) is cheaper, it's at $1920.
http://www.usoptics.com/product.php?partnumber=SN3-1700
Re: FFP with mil-mil
Under $1500 only ones that come to mind are IOR and Falcon
the IOR is a great scope btw! I own one and love it!
Under $1500 only ones that come to mind are IOR and Falcon
the IOR is a great scope btw! I own one and love it!
Re: FFP with mil-mil
I would refer you to Scott @ Liberty Optics. He often can help people get into more glass than they thought they could afford.
I would refer you to Scott @ Liberty Optics. He often can help people get into more glass than they thought they could afford.
Re: FFP with mil-mil
Skylock -
Don't forget about Horus Vision!
The Horus Vision Hawk is FFP mil/mil and costs under $500. The Hawk reticle is the H-425
Horus Vision Hawk
The top of the line Horus Vision Falcon (steel tube, 11 position illuminated reticle rheostat) is FFP mil/mil and costs $1500. The Falcon reticles are either the H-25 or the ultra long range H-37.
Horus Vision Falcon
Horus Vision Reticles
From my personal experience, I would choose the HV Falcon as it is tough as nails and did everything a tactical scope should do extremely well.
FYI - I have owned both of these scopes and they have always worked flawlessly and have been outstanding!
Skylock -
Don't forget about Horus Vision!
The Horus Vision Hawk is FFP mil/mil and costs under $500. The Hawk reticle is the H-425
Horus Vision Hawk
The top of the line Horus Vision Falcon (steel tube, 11 position illuminated reticle rheostat) is FFP mil/mil and costs $1500. The Falcon reticles are either the H-25 or the ultra long range H-37.
Horus Vision Falcon
Horus Vision Reticles
From my personal experience, I would choose the HV Falcon as it is tough as nails and did everything a tactical scope should do extremely well.
FYI - I have owned both of these scopes and they have always worked flawlessly and have been outstanding!
Re: FFP with mil-mil
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skylock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you compare the glass in the Hawk and Falcon to other makers out there?</div></div>
Look at the total package when analyzing scopes:
Durability
Repeatability
Ergonomics
Glass Quality
Customer Service
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skylock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you compare the glass in the Hawk and Falcon to other makers out there?</div></div>
Look at the total package when analyzing scopes:
Durability
Repeatability
Ergonomics
Glass Quality
Customer Service
Re: FFP with mil-mil
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rijndael</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Look at the total package when analyzing scopes:
Durability
Repeatability
Ergonomics
Glass Quality
Customer Service</div></div>
Big +1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rijndael</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Look at the total package when analyzing scopes:
Durability
Repeatability
Ergonomics
Glass Quality
Customer Service</div></div>
Big +1
Re: FFP with mil-mil
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skylock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for the links ranger1183. Lots of different reticles on the web site to choose from as well.
How would you compare the glass in the Hawk and Falcon to other makers out there? </div></div>
The glass? It's Japanese glass, as is the glass used in Nightforce scopes. It's no Schmidt and Bender, but it's not cheap glass either. I rate the glass as very good Japanese glass. That is the same rating I give Nightforce glass!
Don't let the reticle web page fool you. In the HV Hawk, there is only one reticle available and that is the H425. In the HV Falcon there are only two reticles available (both are illuminated reticles) and they are the H25 and H37 reticles.
If I had to buy one scope and $1500 was my budget, I'd buy the HV Falcon with the H25 reticle. Yes, the H37 reticle is ultra-long range, but I don't have a 2500 meter rifle. I can shoot my rifle (260 Remington) with maximum accurate range and still not use up all the reticle on the H25. Now if I was shooting a .50 cal, things would be different.
Customer Service - I have never had a problem with Horus Vision customer service. I suggest, however, that you buy through a Horus Vision dealer ("clark_k" here on the sniper's hide) to get the best of deals and customer service combined.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skylock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for the links ranger1183. Lots of different reticles on the web site to choose from as well.
How would you compare the glass in the Hawk and Falcon to other makers out there? </div></div>
The glass? It's Japanese glass, as is the glass used in Nightforce scopes. It's no Schmidt and Bender, but it's not cheap glass either. I rate the glass as very good Japanese glass. That is the same rating I give Nightforce glass!
Don't let the reticle web page fool you. In the HV Hawk, there is only one reticle available and that is the H425. In the HV Falcon there are only two reticles available (both are illuminated reticles) and they are the H25 and H37 reticles.
If I had to buy one scope and $1500 was my budget, I'd buy the HV Falcon with the H25 reticle. Yes, the H37 reticle is ultra-long range, but I don't have a 2500 meter rifle. I can shoot my rifle (260 Remington) with maximum accurate range and still not use up all the reticle on the H25. Now if I was shooting a .50 cal, things would be different.
Customer Service - I have never had a problem with Horus Vision customer service. I suggest, however, that you buy through a Horus Vision dealer ("clark_k" here on the sniper's hide) to get the best of deals and customer service combined.
Re: FFP with mil-mil
I have an FFP IOR the clicks are 1/2 m.o.a. I love this scope and side by side with a Nightforce when I bought it, my IOR has better glass. It has survived about 800 rds on my 300 win mag. Everything still works as advertised. Killed two nice muleys in Montana with it, not long range, 310 and 362 yds respectively. I need another scope and when I buy it, it will be another IOR and I will buy it from Scott @ Liberty. He has answered so many of my questions without me purchasing, he has earned it. My $.02
I have an FFP IOR the clicks are 1/2 m.o.a. I love this scope and side by side with a Nightforce when I bought it, my IOR has better glass. It has survived about 800 rds on my 300 win mag. Everything still works as advertised. Killed two nice muleys in Montana with it, not long range, 310 and 362 yds respectively. I need another scope and when I buy it, it will be another IOR and I will buy it from Scott @ Liberty. He has answered so many of my questions without me purchasing, he has earned it. My $.02
Re: FFP with mil-mil
Thank you, chain and hydro556.
the IOR 2.5-10x42 FFP is still only $899 delivered until the current stock runs out. It has been an excellent and reliable scope for us.
Scott
Thank you, chain and hydro556.
the IOR 2.5-10x42 FFP is still only $899 delivered until the current stock runs out. It has been an excellent and reliable scope for us.
Scott
Re: FFP with mil-mil
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chain</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You won't be disappointed by the IOR. It is the only reason I don't own Nightforce, the glass is really superb. Another thing I like about them is the 42 mm objective. I don't like thowse big bells. </div></div>
I'll give you that, the IOR glass is superb! And the other IOR scope I owned was built like a tank. Very impressive.
However, here is the dilemma.
With the Horus Vision scope the grid reticle system is designed to be zeroed <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ONCE</span></span>. After the scope is zeroed, the knobs <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ARE NOT TOUCHED!</span></span> From then on, you use the grid to find your aiming point.
With IOR (and any other "standard" reticle system), you find your zero and then turn knobs to get the proper scope picture for your firing solution. Hence, with IOR (and any other "standard" reticle aiming system), how good the knobs are is of <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">CRITICAL IMPORTANCE</span></span>.
So, do you want to find your firing solution and then turn knobs to get the correct point of aim? Or do you want to find the same firing solution and then use a reticle grid system for the correct point of aim?
I like using the grid system over the knob adjustment system as there is nothing mechanically involved, no movements inside the scope that need to take place.
My Final Answer is that whether you buy the IOR scope from Scott at Liberty Optics, or you buy a Horus Vision scope from clark_k , you will get a very good product for your money from guys who will back you up!
Now all you have to do is choose .....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chain</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You won't be disappointed by the IOR. It is the only reason I don't own Nightforce, the glass is really superb. Another thing I like about them is the 42 mm objective. I don't like thowse big bells. </div></div>
I'll give you that, the IOR glass is superb! And the other IOR scope I owned was built like a tank. Very impressive.
However, here is the dilemma.
With the Horus Vision scope the grid reticle system is designed to be zeroed <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ONCE</span></span>. After the scope is zeroed, the knobs <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ARE NOT TOUCHED!</span></span> From then on, you use the grid to find your aiming point.
With IOR (and any other "standard" reticle system), you find your zero and then turn knobs to get the proper scope picture for your firing solution. Hence, with IOR (and any other "standard" reticle aiming system), how good the knobs are is of <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">CRITICAL IMPORTANCE</span></span>.
So, do you want to find your firing solution and then turn knobs to get the correct point of aim? Or do you want to find the same firing solution and then use a reticle grid system for the correct point of aim?
I like using the grid system over the knob adjustment system as there is nothing mechanically involved, no movements inside the scope that need to take place.
My Final Answer is that whether you buy the IOR scope from Scott at Liberty Optics, or you buy a Horus Vision scope from clark_k , you will get a very good product for your money from guys who will back you up!
Now all you have to do is choose .....
Re: FFP with mil-mil
When you contact Scott@liberty optics, tell him you are a Hide member.
When you contact Scott@liberty optics, tell him you are a Hide member.
Re: FFP with mil-mil
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chain</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You won't be disappointed by the IOR. It is the only reason I don't own Nightforce, the glass is really superb. Another thing I like about them is the 42 mm objective. I don't like thowse big bells. </div></div>
I'll give you that, the IOR glass is superb! And the other IOR scope I owned was built like a tank. Very impressive.
However, here is the dilemma.
With the Horus Vision scope the grid reticle system is designed to be zeroed <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ONCE</span></span>. After the scope is zeroed, the knobs <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ARE NOT TOUCHED!</span></span> From then on, you use the grid to find your aiming point.
With IOR (and any other "standard" reticle system), you find your zero and then turn knobs to get the proper scope picture for your firing solution. Hence, with IOR (and any other "standard" reticle aiming system), how good the knobs are is of <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">CRITICAL IMPORTANCE</span></span>.
So, do you want to find your firing solution and then turn knobs to get the correct point of aim? Or do you want to find the same firing solution and then use a reticle grid system for the correct point of aim?
I like using the grid system over the knob adjustment system as there is nothing mechanically involved, no movements inside the scope that need to take place.
My Final Answer is that whether you buy the IOR scope from Scott at Liberty Optics, or you buy a Horus Vision scope from clark_k , you will get a very good product for your money from guys who will back you up!
Now all you have to do is choose .....
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+1 on all of that!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chain</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You won't be disappointed by the IOR. It is the only reason I don't own Nightforce, the glass is really superb. Another thing I like about them is the 42 mm objective. I don't like thowse big bells. </div></div>
I'll give you that, the IOR glass is superb! And the other IOR scope I owned was built like a tank. Very impressive.
However, here is the dilemma.
With the Horus Vision scope the grid reticle system is designed to be zeroed <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ONCE</span></span>. After the scope is zeroed, the knobs <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ARE NOT TOUCHED!</span></span> From then on, you use the grid to find your aiming point.
With IOR (and any other "standard" reticle system), you find your zero and then turn knobs to get the proper scope picture for your firing solution. Hence, with IOR (and any other "standard" reticle aiming system), how good the knobs are is of <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">CRITICAL IMPORTANCE</span></span>.
So, do you want to find your firing solution and then turn knobs to get the correct point of aim? Or do you want to find the same firing solution and then use a reticle grid system for the correct point of aim?
I like using the grid system over the knob adjustment system as there is nothing mechanically involved, no movements inside the scope that need to take place.
My Final Answer is that whether you buy the IOR scope from Scott at Liberty Optics, or you buy a Horus Vision scope from clark_k , you will get a very good product for your money from guys who will back you up!
Now all you have to do is choose .....
</div></div>
+1 on all of that!
Re: FFP with mil-mil
I wheeled and dealed here on the Hide and picked up a USO SN-3 1.8-10x37 for under 1500.00. So it can be done
I wheeled and dealed here on the Hide and picked up a USO SN-3 1.8-10x37 for under 1500.00. So it can be done
