FIREMISSION: Petition against semi-auto ban in NZ.

[Blue Sky Country]

Let's hit this shit and hit it hard:

Petition of Hayden Livingstone: Kiwis request reasonable time for consultation regarding Firearms Law reform. - New Zealand Parliament

Petitions are addressed to the House of Representatives and ask that the House do something about a policy or law, or put right a local or private concern.

www.parliament.nz

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Petition request
That the House of Representatives allow for an in-depth public consultation period on changes to New Zealand firearms legislation, to ensure effective firearms legislation reform that does not unduly punish law-abiding firearms owners while maintaining assurances of public safety.
Petition reason
We believe this reform is unjust to law-abiding New Zealand citizens and we question the efficacy of these changes, specifically in regard to public safety given admissions by officials that recently restricted firearms will remain in the hands of those willing to break the law. We believe that recent changes to New Zealand firearms regulation is ill-advised, partly due to the speed at which they have been implemented and also due to (understandable) emotionally driven public pressure.
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[ArmyJerry]

They need to get violent and right now, go after those that seek to enslave them and do what needs doing

 

[2ndamendfan]

4430 signatures
Looks like many have "survivors guilt"

 

[Sean the Nailer]

FWIW, help out the Law Abiding Kiwi's. You know you're not in Kansas anymore, when it asks which language do you prefer:
English
Maori

In there.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Or smart enough to keep their name off a tracking document...

4430 signatures
Looks like many have "survivors guilt"

 

[2ndamendfan]

Or smart enough to keep their name off a tracking document...

If that is the case then it proves what I have posted in other threads. Average gun owner is a coward and when the going gets tough they run to the shadows like cockroaches.
2.5 million sign that and it sends a signal. Next is 2.5 marching on the capitol of NZ. Dont let them think it will be easy. Dont let them think you are complacent. Dont let them think there will not be consequences.
The first step is the pen not the trigger.

If you "lose them in a boating accident" and bury them in your back yard under your new concrete patio then what good has hiding done you. You are in effect disarmed, and they are okay with that. Keeping them and using them are two totally different out comes.

 

[2ndamendfan]

I guarantee everyone here is on a list. So you might as well speak the fuck up when the time comes.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

You know....I don't think it's dawned on some of you......

New Zealand doesn't have a Second Amendment. Oh they have one, but no one ever specifically told their leaders about it in writing. I'm gonna guess...assume...that the majority of gun owners there, simply see guns as toys. They aren't prepared to be put in the stocks over their jet ski OR an M1 carbine.

No offense to Kiwi's, I'm sure they are lovely folk, as my wife would say. There may be stuff happening there that isn't being reported, but I don't see much evidence of outrage.

There may be mass disobedience yet. I've seen no videos of gun chopping parties being held by the state yet. Sometimes the fuse looks like it's fizzled out then.....







BOOM!

 

[2ndamendfan]

You know....I don't think it's dawned on some of you......

New Zealand doesn't have a Second Amendment. Oh they have one, but no one ever specifically told their leaders about it in writing.

Only one country has had the balls to put it in writing!!

 

[Blue Sky Country]

I guarantee everyone here is on a list. So you might as well speak the fuck up when the time comes.

Hell yeah. I've been active on gun forums as well as the Three Percenter movement and blogs for the past 15 years and more, so I got a trail like a fucking comet behind me LOL.

Ain't nothing for me to worry about. A man who lives his life worrying about shit ain't living to the fullest extent. I am ready to support my fellow gun owners in any way possible. Ballot box or cartridge box. I just got to see how many lanterns are raised in that bell tower and I'll know what decision I need to make.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Don’t disagree, my shit stays ready, but i do not trust the nra,

If that is the case then it proves what I have posted in other threads. Average gun owner is a coward and when the going gets tough they run to the shadows like cockroaches.
2.5 million sign that and it sends a signal. Next is 2.5 marching on the capitol of NZ. Dont let them think it will be easy. Dont let them think you are complacent. Dont let them think there will not be consequences.
The first step is the pen not the trigger.

If you "lose them in a boating accident" and bury them in your back yard under your new concrete patio then what good has hiding done you. You are in effect disarmed, and they are okay with that. Keeping them and using them are two totally different out comes.

 

[ArmyJerry]

That’s possible, now they need to make it right and make sure their aspiring slave owners understand that its time to write one.gun owners need to defend their natural rights or they are committing suicide for themselves and their spawn.

You know....I don't think it's dawned on some of you......

New Zealand doesn't have a Second Amendment. Oh they have one, but no one ever specifically told their leaders about it in writing. I'm gonna guess...assume...that the majority of gun owners there, simply see guns as toys. They aren't prepared to be put in the stocks over their jet ski OR an M1 carbine.

No offense to Kiwi's, I'm sure they are lovely folk, as my wife would say. There may be stuff happening there that isn't being reported, but I don't see much evidence of outrage.

There may be mass disobedience yet. I've seen no videos of gun chopping parties being held by the state yet. Sometimes the fuse looks like it's fizzled out then.....







BOOM!

 

[Slash0311]

Done. 7182 as of when I signed...

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Wait! Wait!
WTF are you people doing?
Are you signing a petition, addressed to the NZ house of reps?
SMFH

How bout if NZ residents sign a petition to OUR HOR? You know what you are gonna tell them? You are gonna tell them to mind their own fucking business.
You aren't helping them. What happens is up to them. If they don't care enough to do it themselves, then it won't get done.

Fucking ridiculous.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Wait! Wait!
WTF are you people doing?
Are you signing a petition, addressed to the NZ house of reps?
SMFH

How bout if NZ residents sign a petition to OUR HOR? You know what you are gonna tell them? You are gonna tell them to mind their own fucking business.
You aren't helping them. What happens is up to them. If they don't care enough to do it themselves, then it won't get done.

Fucking ridiculous.

Foreign intervention on behalf of the small truly pro-gun community there and to show the worthless Fudds there that it is taking outside help to keep them from losing their bolt action .243's and .25-06's.

A few days ago 4Chan and Arfcom GD shut their online "military style semi-auto" surrender form down by pure trolling and sending in shit forms. Absolutely hilarious.

Perhaps it will wake up the silent majority when they realize that outsiders are putting up a fight on their behalf.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Oh for fucks sake.
By all means, carry on.

 

[MCSO1357]

Americans have been trolling the site since it went live.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

This is one of the best ones:

 

[supercorndogs]

Foreign intervention on behalf of the small truly pro-gun community there and to show the worthless Fudds there that it is taking outside help to keep them from losing their bolt action .243's and .25-06's.

A few days ago 4Chan and Arfcom GD shut their online "military style semi-auto" surrender form down by pure trolling and sending in shit forms. Absolutely hilarious.

Perhaps it will wake up the silent majority when they realize that outsiders are putting up a fight on their behalf.

Or perhaps they will throw out the petition when they start verifying the signatures are legitimate. At least that is what would happen here.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Or perhaps they will throw out the petition when they start verifying the signatures are legitimate. At least that is what would happen here.

That would suck balls for our Kiwi fellas but at the same time it will show the statists that gun owners fight the same fight, no matter what country or region. We should continue firing away at the petition until the barrels turn red, pour olive oil over them, and keep firing.

 

[supercorndogs]

That would suck balls for our Kiwi fellas but at the same time it will show the statists that gun owners fight the same fight, no matter what country or region. We should continue firing away at the petition until the barrels turn red, pour olive oil over them, and keep firing.

It would not show shit to anyone, because all that will happen is it will be reported most of the signatures were fraudulent, even if the majority were not. That the majority were in favor of this common sense action, but some crazy right wing nut jobs attempted to hi jack the process. You are not helping anyone, you are not teaching anyone a lesson. You are more than likely fucking everything up.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

Wait! Wait!
WTF are you people doing?
Are you signing a petition, addressed to the NZ house of reps?
SMFH

How bout if NZ residents sign a petition to OUR HOR? You know what you are gonna tell them? You are gonna tell them to mind their own fucking business.
You aren't helping them. What happens is up to them. If they don't care enough to do it themselves, then it won't get done.

Fucking ridiculous.

That's a great point, but I feel like it's my duty as the American in that dynamic to broadcast my concerns over them not maintaining the balance of power between the people and their government. Yanks and Kiwis ain't the same breed, but everyone is entitled to freedom from persecution against firearms or personal weaponry otherwise. If somebody voices their desire for me to have more freedoms in any regard, I'm fine with that, but folks that want to take them away can go get fucked in any language.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

It would not show shit to anyone, because all that will happen is it will be reported most of the signatures were fraudulent, even if the majority were not. That the majority were in favor of this common sense action, but some crazy right wing nut jobs attempted to hi jack the process. You are not helping anyone, you are not teaching anyone a lesson. You are more than likely fucking everything up.

I am afraid that is how these statist fucks are going to spin it. They already have a penchant for brushing those who even slightly disagrees with them as Nazis, despite how absolutely pathetic and hilarious that is.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

It would not show shit to anyone, because all that will happen is it will be reported most of the signatures were fraudulent, even if the majority were not. That the majority were in favor of this common sense action, but some crazy right wing nut jobs attempted to hi jack the process. You are not helping anyone, you are not teaching anyone a lesson. You are more than likely fucking everything up.

This^^^^^^
I get wanting to help, hell I'm all for giving these gun owners rushed immigration status.
Hacking their registration system is cool.
Hacking a legitimate petition is just retarded. At that point you have gone from saboteur to actually joining the side you are supposed to be fighting.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

I'd overthrow NZ in a fucking heartbeat to institute an American Constitutional Republic, lol. I got no problem signing a stupid ass petition and meddling in their fuckery. Fuck their system even besides the notion of fuck gun laws internationally, their citizens deserve better.

Now if only we could get our Constitutional Republic back.

Take heed, NZ. Fight tooth and nail.

 

[Spblademaker]

Remember when it was fashionable to kick unwanted invaders our of your country?

 

[supercorndogs]

I'd overthrow NZ in a fucking heartbeat to institute an American Constitutional Republic, lol. I got no problem signing a stupid ass petition and meddling in their fuckery. Fuck their system even besides the notion of fuck gun laws internationally, their citizens deserve better.

Now if only we could get our Constitutional Republic back.

Take heed, NZ. Fight tooth and nail.

They are trying to do something about it, and you are ensuring their petition will not be accepted. Good fucking job. That it called fucktardery.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

If you think they are taking it seriously at all then you're naive. It's pageantry, not fucking science. Don't forget that it's on the World Wide Web and (generally) anonymously open to anyone. They have no idea who in their country could be using a VPN, as is commonly used to access geo-restricted content and mask original access points. I used one when I signed it, and I use it to watch MotoGP races and bullshit youtube content. People in Australia use them to watch all kinds of shit, lol. On top of that, any run of the mill code rat can write a quick program to auto-vote many times in a day.

No political internet poll in the history of internet polls was ever worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on. The margin of error cannot be assumed to be less than severe, therefore it is conjecture fit for fools. So who's the fucktard? Me sitting here thinking it can't hurt and doesn't matter, or you raving about besmirching the sanctity of NZ's sovereignty? I'd fuck a coup baby into her if I could, and if you don't like how I grab her ass at the public bar then just quit crowing at me and get over it, because I don't give a fuck if she's spoken for.

 

[supercorndogs]

If you think they are taking it seriously at all then you're naive. It's pageantry, not fucking science. Don't forget that it's on the World Wide Web and (generally) anonymously open to anyone. They have no idea who in their country could be using a VPN, as is commonly used to access geo-restricted content and mask original access points. I used one when I signed it, and I use it to watch MotoGP races and bullshit youtube content. People in Australia use them to watch all kinds of shit, lol. On top of that, any run of the mill code rat can write a quick program to auto-vote many times in a day.

No political internet poll in the history of internet polls was ever worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on. The margin of error cannot be assumed to be less than severe, therefore it is conjecture fit for fools. So who's the fucktard? Me sitting here thinking it can't hurt and doesn't matter, or you raving about besmirching the sanctity of NZ's sovereignty? I'd fuck a coup baby into her if I could, and if you don't like how I grab her ass at the public bar then just quit crowing at me and get over it, because I don't give a fuck if she's spoken for.

I made the mistake of assuming their petition process is like ours. After studying up, NZ doest care how many signatures a petition gets, where they came from, or if the person who started the petition is even an NZ citizen. A proper petition will be herd if no one signs it.

Guide for petitions - New Zealand Parliament

A petition is a request asking the House of Representatives (Parliament) to take a specific action. The request might ask for a law or policy to be changed, or to put right a local or private concern. People can sign a petition to show their support for the request.This page guides you through...

www.parliament.nz

You jumped in with both feet not knowing anything about their procedure, or if you were going to ruin it for the side you want to support. You didn't step in shit this time. It pays to look before we step. Jumping in and signing this not knowing anything about their process was stupid.

That last paragraph undoubtedly cemented your place as captain fucktard. I said nothing about NZ overeignty. My point was moot because their petition process is not like ours. You happened to hit one nail in your blind swinging, their petitions are somewhat just for pageantry. They don't have the power they do here.

"Pageantry, not science." I mean you were half right, kind of.

 

[2ndamendfan]

I made the mistake of assuming their petition process is like ours. After studying up, NZ doest care how many signatures a petition gets, where they came from, or if the person who started the petition is even an NZ citizen. A proper petition will be herd if no one signs it.

Guide for petitions - New Zealand Parliament

A petition is a request asking the House of Representatives (Parliament) to take a specific action. The request might ask for a law or policy to be changed, or to put right a local or private concern. People can sign a petition to show their support for the request.This page guides you through...

www.parliament.nz

You jumped in with both feet not knowing anything about their procedure, or if you were going to ruin it for the side you want to support. You didn't step in shit this time. It pays to look before we step. Jumping in and signing this not knowing anything about their process was stupid.

That last paragraph undoubtedly cemented your place as captain fucktard. I said nothing about NZ overeignty. My point was moot because their petition process is not like ours. You happened to hit one nail in your blind swinging, their petitions are somewhat just for pageantry. They don't have the power they do here.

"Pageantry, not science." I mean you were half right, kind of.

I am going to say that you are somewhat naive yourself if you think going to the white house web sight and "signing" a petition there grants you any special powers.

A written petition at the grassroots level, sure. I have seen those get a proposal put on a ballot for voters.

But if you think any .gov including our own gives 2 shits about online petitions you're nuts.

Yes I know at 100,000 signitures (or some number) the white house is suppose to look at it. Then what? They are not obligated to do shit.
You know why .gov's like online petitions? Because it lets people believe they have a say, and it keeps people out of the streets.
You know why people like online petitions? Because 99% are key board commandos, and they think it keeps them from needing to be in the streets. Also most are to lazy or pussy to protest in the street.

You know what actually gets things done, protesting/standing up IN THE STREETS.

NZ wants to keep their guns they need to rally and show up in mass at their parliament building. Nothing else will get noticed.

 

[Scott037]

This is one of the best ones:

Seem just right for home dense. Lol

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

I made the mistake of assuming their petition process is like ours. After studying up, NZ doest care how many signatures a petition gets, where they came from, or if the person who started the petition is even an NZ citizen. A proper petition will be herd if no one signs it.

Guide for petitions - New Zealand Parliament

A petition is a request asking the House of Representatives (Parliament) to take a specific action. The request might ask for a law or policy to be changed, or to put right a local or private concern. People can sign a petition to show their support for the request.This page guides you through...

www.parliament.nz

You jumped in with both feet not knowing anything about their procedure, or if you were going to ruin it for the side you want to support. You didn't step in shit this time. It pays to look before we step. Jumping in and signing this not knowing anything about their process was stupid.

That last paragraph undoubtedly cemented your place as captain fucktard. I said nothing about NZ overeignty. My point was moot because their petition process is not like ours. You happened to hit one nail in your blind swinging, their petitions are somewhat just for pageantry. They don't have the power they do here.

"Pageantry, not science." I mean you were half right, kind of.

I'm actually impressed that you're being more of an autist than I normally am. Proportionally I think I'm just more of a chauvinist, but I get where you're coming from. Here's my train of rationale:

1. This is the petition version of a WPost opinion article. I never thought otherwise.

2. Does NZ especially matter to me? No.

3. Should all people have an unailienable right to protect themselves? Yes.

Literally, no other considerations are worth the overall concern I have for any allied foreign nation. Best case NZ establishes national gun rights and shit is argued over even more until the worst case arrives, and they become a hell hole sometime in the next 100 years. That's the future I expect for them, within a spectrum of course, but I don't want to say I didn't cast a vote for their own well-being when given the chance. If I start a poll on whether I should establish a dynamic where I can easily beat my animals with no repercussions, but folks from another neighbourhood say no, are they really wrong for doing so? Should they wait until I start losing track of inappropriately raised animals and they show up in their neighbourhood?

I get your argument against noble cause corruption, the notion that it's a bad thing to do but if it's done with good intentions by yourself then it's an entirely good thing. It's a fallacy, of course. It's probably the most murderous, violent, and ignorant pitfall of the human condition— historically speaking. Machines of greed and malice always use virtue as fuel and grease, and to disastrous ends. I'm not saying you're wrong or I am right, actually, you are kind of right if I had to choose— but I'm saying I disagree to the ends that it actually matters in this case specifically. They solicited opinions, and not just from Kiwis as I noted before I sent mine through. They got it.

Now, all that said, I wouldn't kick NZ outta bed if she wanted to move into the house of USA. I'd coup that shit in a heartbeat to get it, even. I have nothing at all against Kiwis or their territory. Until then though, she's competition and future liability for global unrest like everyone else. She needs to integrate 2A type regulations while her society is still capable of exercising the needed social, political, and individual responsibilities that are required for a secure and polite civilization.

 

[supercorndogs]

I am going to say that you are somewhat naive yourself if you think going to the white house web sight and "signing" a petition there grants you any special powers.

A written petition at the grassroots level, sure. I have seen those get a proposal put on a ballot for voters.

But if you think any .gov including our own gives 2 shits about online petitions you're nuts.

Yes I know at 100,000 signitures (or some number) the white house is suppose to look at it. Then what? They are not obligated to do shit.
You know why .gov's like online petitions? Because it lets people believe they have a say, and it keeps people out of the streets.
You know why people like online petitions? Because 99% are key board commandos, and they think it keeps them from needing to be in the streets. Also most are to lazy or pussy to protest in the street.

You know what actually gets things done, protesting/standing up IN THE STREETS.

NZ wants to keep their guns they need to rally and show up in mass at their parliament building. Nothing else will get noticed.

Why are you talking to me about something I didn't say?