Rifle Scopes First Impressions on the Vortex PST 1-4

dtibbals

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I received my new Vortex PST 1-4 from Liberty Optics yesterday (Scott at Liberty Optics is great!!), mounted it up in my Larue mount and took it out to the range today to sight it in. I have to say for the price point the optics are very clear, I will admit maybe not as good as Nightforce or Vortex Razor 1-4 with HD glass but since those scopes are 2.5 times the price the PST has not only great glass but is a great value when compared to optics 2.5x more expensive. My friend had his Trijicon 1-4 and when comparing them side by side I would say the optic quality is the same.

The turrets have a great feel to them, very smooth and positive clicks. I didn't set the zero stop up since it's future home is on a Noveske upper coming in a few weeks. The zoom is very smooth, reticle is clean although I would have liked the subtention's to be a little larger but is more than usable for it's intended usage etc.

The power switch for the illumination is very nice and has positive clicks with off being in the middle of each setting. It is daytime bright although rather than a bright red like on an Aimpoint or EOTech it is more of a dark red in bright daytime lighting. In dimmer and night time light it is a very bright red like a red dot. It could be a little better but again it is visible and usable in full daytime lighting. When I looked a the Nightforce 1-4 it was not visible so for 2.5x times less money the Vortex wins that battle.

The eye relief is very good!!!!!! The eye box is great, gives you a great view and I never once found myself having to move my head around to have a clear view, this was true at all magnification settings.

Over all I am very happy with it!!! I have only shot it on a square range from a bench sighting it in however in a couple of weeks I will be taking it to a practical rifle match which will give me a better perspective. If all goes well I plan on taking it to a 4 day carbine class next month which will give me a more well rounded opinion of it but so far so good.

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Sorry with my camera phone I could not get a pic of the reticle...not sure how people do it but I have a new found respect for those pictures
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There is one thing I don't understand but the zoom ring has the correct magnification when looking forward from the eye piece but when looking at it from the front or top there is a number on the other side which is incorrect at the 4x, 1.3 and 1x setting. It is correct on the 2 time setting. I have included a pic. I am not sure if there is a logic to this or if it is a manufacturing mistake.

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Re: First Impressions on the Vortex PST 1-4

Excellent review and dittos on the one I've had for a while now. At 1x I think you will find it's every bit as fast as a red dot for CQ drills.

I'm interested in hearing how it performs in your classes.
 
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The numbers on the front side are your reticle multiplication when on the power shown on the rear of the ring. Each line on your reticle subtends 2 moa at 4x magnification.

IE:

On 4x zoom your reticle is accurate (or 1x), 2moa per line

On 1x zoom your reticle's subtends 4x what it does on 4x zoom. (that sounds confusing, couldnt think of a better way to word it), 8moa per line

At 1.3x zoom it is 3x as large, 6moa per line

At 2x zoom it is 2x as large, 4moa per line

 
Re: First Impressions on the Vortex PST 1-4

I was impressed with my 1-4 as well and the 4-16FFP I am using is just as awesome, although I am going to change it out for a 6-24 soon.

Vortex has hit the home run I was hoping they would, and I think that all of us will be better off for it. They will take a bite of the competition by delivering a scope of this caliber at this price. A whole lot of regular Joes just got access to ~$2K features for <$900.
 
Re: First Impressions on the Vortex PST 1-4

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dtibbals</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

There is one thing I don't understand but the zoom ring has the correct magnification when looking forward from the eye piece but when looking at it from the front or top there is a number on the other side which is incorrect at the 4x, 1.3 and 1x setting. It is correct on the 2 time setting. I have included a pic. I am not sure if there is a logic to this or if it is a manufacturing mistake.

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Those "incorrect" numbers are the multiplication factor using the reticle on that given power since the reticle is a AFP design.

Each hash mark on your reticle is 2 MOA on 4x (that's where the reticle is calibrated for), say your on 1x and you miss 2 tick marks low and 3.5 tick marks left and you want to dial that in. You would need the correct multiplier to dial in the correct MOA. The multiplier on 1x is 4 so its simple. 2x4 = 8 MOA up and 3.5x4 = 14 MOA right.

Hope the "incorrect" number make sense
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tt350z</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dtibbals</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

There is one thing I don't understand but the zoom ring has the correct magnification when looking forward from the eye piece but when looking at it from the front or top there is a number on the other side which is incorrect at the 4x, 1.3 and 1x setting. It is correct on the 2 time setting. I have included a pic. I am not sure if there is a logic to this or if it is a manufacturing mistake.

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Those "incorrect" numbers are the multiplication factor using the reticle on that given power since the reticle is a AFP design.

Each hash mark on your reticle is 2 MOA on 4x (that's where the reticle is calibrated for), say your on 1x and you miss 2 tick marks low and 3.5 tick marks left and you want to dial that in. You would need the correct multiplier to dial in the correct MOA. The multiplier on 1x is 4 so its simple. 2x4 = 8 MOA up and 3.5x4 = 14 MOA right.

Hope the "incorrect" number make sense </div></div>

You know now that you guys just said this all I could think to myself was duh!!!!!! Thanks for that guys, I knew that I could only do ranging at 4x but for some reason today when I noticed that I didn't even think about that...glad I posted this!!!

I will let you guys know how I like it once I start really using it.

I will try to get a better pick of the reticle for you guys...that is a real pain!

David
 
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Here is the only pic I have with the illumination on 10 in daylight...pretty bad pick but you can kind of see the shade of red the reticle is in bright light...

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I just played with it in the house and when hitting a white room with a surefire x300 mounted on the end of this rifle the reticle actually got brighter!!!!!!!!!! My red dot will get washed out so this is HUGE!!! That is so damn impressive I might have to sell my last red dot for another one of these....not what I expected at all!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dtibbals</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I played around with a little tracking and it did just fine with making up to 7 MOA corrections. I watched Lowlights review here on snipers hide and it did well up till around 11 mils, but not many of us are going to be using this optic for that kind of distance. However even at 11 mils it was only 2 mils off which was a couple of inches, still usable in hitting a man sized target.
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7moa is a little small to test tracking with.

2 mils off out of 11 is an 18% error. 2 mils off is a couple inches at 35 yards, at 500 its nearly a foot and a half.....

Scott at Liberty rocks, and Scott at Vortex seems to be pretty savvy as to what matters to us, but is struggling with the quality-but that goes with the manufacturing at the price point he's trying to make. I applaud his effort, and when his products are right they do kick ass.
I played with these a little and they do seem like really nice scopes for the pricepoint.

I'd rather see the magification/reticle conversion on higher powered SFP scopes, its a great idea!
 
Re: First Impressions on the Vortex PST 1-4

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dtibbals</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I played around with a little tracking and it did just fine with making up to 7 MOA corrections. I watched Lowlights review here on snipers hide and it did well up till around 11 mils, but not many of us are going to be using this optic for that kind of distance. However even at 11 mils it was only 2 mils off which was a couple of inches, still usable in hitting a man sized target.
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7moa is a little small to test tracking with.

2 mils off out of 11 is an 18% error. 2 mils off is a couple inches at 35 yards, at 500 its nearly a foot and a half.....

Scott at Liberty rocks, and Scott at Vortex seems to be pretty savvy as to what matters to us, but is struggling with the quality-but that goes with the manufacturing at the price point he's trying to make. I applaud his effort, and when his products are right they do kick ass.
I played with these a little and they do seem like really nice scopes for the pricepoint.

I'd rather see the magification/reticle conversion on higher powered SFP scopes, its a great idea! </div></div>


I believe it was .2 Mils off over 11 Mils of travel. Not 2 Mils.

Kind of a big difference......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGObPx8VxN4&feature=feedu
 
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.2 could be shooter (even if it is Frank) and gets lost in the noise...

but using the statement in a review you should have picked up on the significant difference.