Can anyone give me any assistance. My search is to find out if the SWFA SS Scope 10x42 is a first plane or second plane scope...
Rifle Scopes First or Second Plane Scope....
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Re: First or Second Plane Scope....
Its a fixed scope, it doesn't matter whether its first or second focal plane, the magnification doesn't change.
Its a fixed scope, it doesn't matter whether its first or second focal plane, the magnification doesn't change.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I see you are new here, so I'll answer these two and a couple others I can think of to save you the trouble and scorn that comes with asking them. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to add any that escape me at this time.
1. TTSX is the deadliest bullet on earth, it isn't even necessary to actually hit the animal in question. A simple "shot across the bow" will suffice, the bullet's seemingly magical jacket and core combination liquefies <span style="font-weight: bold"> ONLY </span> the vital organs of your game leaving venison untouched and even pre-seasoned for perfect grilling.
The Sierra Match King is a loathsome character, known to inhabit filthy dark places near the center of concentric rings on paper. To even consider this alloy-less, unbonded, bastard suitable for hunting will get you laughed out of most hunting camps. There are no less that 10 million well documented cases of SMK's poking narrow, shallow, bloodless holes into every kind of game animal. Since this bullet was designed <span style="font-weight: bold"> only </span> for match shooting, it is scientifically impossible for it to kill anything. It has shown to be ineffective on animals as small as the African Pygmy Mouse. If you have any intention of hunting, stay as far away from these bullets as possible.
2. The Counter Sniper question, YES they are the finest scopes available to humans. It is by some lucky stroke of luck and/or divine intervention that God and congress have allowed this special sale of overstocked military supplies to be sold on the open market. The scopes are worth 3 to 4 times the asking price, so you better get two or three of them if you happen into a stocking dealer. These scopes are in a class all their own, leaving companies like Nightforce, S&B, IOR, USO, Zeiss, and countless others to scratch and pull hair over the rimfire market.
3. The best caliber. Clearly, there is a tie here. The .22lr has to be the deadliest of all cartridges as it bounces around the inside of it intended victim. Its lethal power is only overcome by the .50BMG which is perfectly suited for small and medium sized game (only when shooting the TTSX) Any of the "common" calibers in between are for chumps and suckers, besides, everybody knows a .308 is absolutely useless beyond 600yds.
4.Best beginner LR rifle, Savage, Remington, or a full custom? Well obviously your broke ass cant afford a Savage so its either a full custom or even better you can slap your sister's SKS into a Tapco and top it off with a BSA (or even better, one of your three badass Counter Sniper's) I wouldn't recommend re-chambering your SKS into .50BMG cause you'll have to change mag followers and their a bitch to get outta China. (just tell people that's whatcha did and roll with it, they'll never know the difference)
If you have to go with the second option, (a full custom) just make sure you get something really expensive and complicated. That'll get you range credit with all the other snipers, and make sure you use the term "MIL-spec" alot. It will shrink your groups to sub-MIL at 100yds.
5.Long range hunting, lets assume for a minute that you are not shooting an SKS converted to .50bmg shooting TTSX's. Long range hunting is not for the beginner, and killing animals beyond reasonable distances like 300yds is not only un-ethical, it should be illegal.
6. Mini 14, buy one and keep it with your SKS.
7.Food plots/feeders, <span style="font-weight: bold">DONT</span>, I repeat, <span style="font-weight: bold">DONT</span> question the use of food plots by hunters, there is simply no other way to shoot deer than to coax them out of their day burrows with the promise of sweet and tasty corn.
<span style="color: red">8. FFP vs SFP, FFP is only necessary in the event of space invaders, so you can place your shot carefully in the center of his martian canopy. For most terrestrial sniper's SFP is more than sufficient, allowing you to spend time thinking what the MIL value happens to be at your particular current magnification. Many a shot has been rushed by a sniper who hastily pulled the trigger after an easy miss calculation with his FFP scope. My advise: KISS.</span>
9.Best reloading setup, Dont waste your time spending big bucks on folks like Redding, Wilson, and the like. I use nothing more than a set of Lee el-cheapo dies, a hammer, two prybars, and an old weight watcher's scale I got at a swap meet. I laugh when I see these assholes with thousands of dollars in reloading equipment, I spent $27.59, and I haven't won a match yet due to my ammunition. Dont get tricked into wasting your SHTF funds.
10. TMR vs. ______, Mmmmkay, this one is actually easy. Have you ever tried to estimate the space between the philtrum on Maggie Gyllenhaal's upper lip through your scope? It practically impossible, at least with a TMR. Remember the Counter Sniper? Yeah, that badass kit has a miniature reticle on the reticle for things just like that, never again will you be left wanting for a reticle with sub-nostril measurements. There are others as well, but the eye relief problems you'll run into with your SKS will render them useless.
11. Stock upgrade. Typically it goes like this:"I bought a new savage but the tupperware stock sucks, what stock can I get for 100 dollars or less?" This is one of those things that makes you look new & stupid, every body knows that a real sniper stock will cost you at least a thousand dollars. Good stocks like Choate, Fajen, and B&C will cost you way over your 100 threshold. Which is why I suggested the SKS, you can get a whole gun for 100 dollars if you look, that's <span style="font-weight: bold"> with</span> a stock!! then after your next paycheck you need to get you a Cheaper than Shit catalog, its packed with good stocks and gear. Steer clear of reputable companies such as McMillan, Manners, HS Precision, ect. they are all Chinese.
I'm sure there are many more, I'll let you know when I think of a couple more. But these will at least help you stay out of some trouble </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I see you are new here, so I'll answer these two and a couple others I can think of to save you the trouble and scorn that comes with asking them. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to add any that escape me at this time.
1. TTSX is the deadliest bullet on earth, it isn't even necessary to actually hit the animal in question. A simple "shot across the bow" will suffice, the bullet's seemingly magical jacket and core combination liquefies <span style="font-weight: bold"> ONLY </span> the vital organs of your game leaving venison untouched and even pre-seasoned for perfect grilling.
The Sierra Match King is a loathsome character, known to inhabit filthy dark places near the center of concentric rings on paper. To even consider this alloy-less, unbonded, bastard suitable for hunting will get you laughed out of most hunting camps. There are no less that 10 million well documented cases of SMK's poking narrow, shallow, bloodless holes into every kind of game animal. Since this bullet was designed <span style="font-weight: bold"> only </span> for match shooting, it is scientifically impossible for it to kill anything. It has shown to be ineffective on animals as small as the African Pygmy Mouse. If you have any intention of hunting, stay as far away from these bullets as possible.
2. The Counter Sniper question, YES they are the finest scopes available to humans. It is by some lucky stroke of luck and/or divine intervention that God and congress have allowed this special sale of overstocked military supplies to be sold on the open market. The scopes are worth 3 to 4 times the asking price, so you better get two or three of them if you happen into a stocking dealer. These scopes are in a class all their own, leaving companies like Nightforce, S&B, IOR, USO, Zeiss, and countless others to scratch and pull hair over the rimfire market.
3. The best caliber. Clearly, there is a tie here. The .22lr has to be the deadliest of all cartridges as it bounces around the inside of it intended victim. Its lethal power is only overcome by the .50BMG which is perfectly suited for small and medium sized game (only when shooting the TTSX) Any of the "common" calibers in between are for chumps and suckers, besides, everybody knows a .308 is absolutely useless beyond 600yds.
4.Best beginner LR rifle, Savage, Remington, or a full custom? Well obviously your broke ass cant afford a Savage so its either a full custom or even better you can slap your sister's SKS into a Tapco and top it off with a BSA (or even better, one of your three badass Counter Sniper's) I wouldn't recommend re-chambering your SKS into .50BMG cause you'll have to change mag followers and their a bitch to get outta China. (just tell people that's whatcha did and roll with it, they'll never know the difference)
If you have to go with the second option, (a full custom) just make sure you get something really expensive and complicated. That'll get you range credit with all the other snipers, and make sure you use the term "MIL-spec" alot. It will shrink your groups to sub-MIL at 100yds.
5.Long range hunting, lets assume for a minute that you are not shooting an SKS converted to .50bmg shooting TTSX's. Long range hunting is not for the beginner, and killing animals beyond reasonable distances like 300yds is not only un-ethical, it should be illegal.
6. Mini 14, buy one and keep it with your SKS.
7.Food plots/feeders, <span style="font-weight: bold">DONT</span>, I repeat, <span style="font-weight: bold">DONT</span> question the use of food plots by hunters, there is simply no other way to shoot deer than to coax them out of their day burrows with the promise of sweet and tasty corn.
<span style="color: red">8. FFP vs SFP, FFP is only necessary in the event of space invaders, so you can place your shot carefully in the center of his martian canopy. For most terrestrial sniper's SFP is more than sufficient, allowing you to spend time thinking what the MIL value happens to be at your particular current magnification. Many a shot has been rushed by a sniper who hastily pulled the trigger after an easy miss calculation with his FFP scope. My advise: KISS.</span>
9.Best reloading setup, Dont waste your time spending big bucks on folks like Redding, Wilson, and the like. I use nothing more than a set of Lee el-cheapo dies, a hammer, two prybars, and an old weight watcher's scale I got at a swap meet. I laugh when I see these assholes with thousands of dollars in reloading equipment, I spent $27.59, and I haven't won a match yet due to my ammunition. Dont get tricked into wasting your SHTF funds.
10. TMR vs. ______, Mmmmkay, this one is actually easy. Have you ever tried to estimate the space between the philtrum on Maggie Gyllenhaal's upper lip through your scope? It practically impossible, at least with a TMR. Remember the Counter Sniper? Yeah, that badass kit has a miniature reticle on the reticle for things just like that, never again will you be left wanting for a reticle with sub-nostril measurements. There are others as well, but the eye relief problems you'll run into with your SKS will render them useless.
11. Stock upgrade. Typically it goes like this:"I bought a new savage but the tupperware stock sucks, what stock can I get for 100 dollars or less?" This is one of those things that makes you look new & stupid, every body knows that a real sniper stock will cost you at least a thousand dollars. Good stocks like Choate, Fajen, and B&C will cost you way over your 100 threshold. Which is why I suggested the SKS, you can get a whole gun for 100 dollars if you look, that's <span style="font-weight: bold"> with</span> a stock!! then after your next paycheck you need to get you a Cheaper than Shit catalog, its packed with good stocks and gear. Steer clear of reputable companies such as McMillan, Manners, HS Precision, ect. they are all Chinese.
I'm sure there are many more, I'll let you know when I think of a couple more. But these will at least help you stay out of some trouble </div></div>
Re: First or Second Plane Scope....
Wow, that really added a ton to the topic. Thanks for your insightful input.
Wow, that really added a ton to the topic. Thanks for your insightful input.
Re: First or Second Plane Scope....
Technically it's SFP, as are most fixed power scopes--I guess they're just easier to make that way.
Of course as mentioned, it makes no difference in the use of a fixed power scope.
Technically it's SFP, as are most fixed power scopes--I guess they're just easier to make that way.
Of course as mentioned, it makes no difference in the use of a fixed power scope.
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I like my FFP option. Crosshairs are micro on lower level but get larger as you focus. great for judging distance on animals but you have to be fast.
I like my FFP option. Crosshairs are micro on lower level but get larger as you focus. great for judging distance on animals but you have to be fast.
Re: First or Second Plane Scope....
If it's a FIXED power scope, it only has 1 focal plane. So it would be in the first focal plane.
If it's a FIXED power scope, it only has 1 focal plane. So it would be in the first focal plane.
Re: First or Second Plane Scope....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dieselgeek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it's a FIXED power scope, it only has 1 focal plane. So it would be in the first focal plane.</div></div>
If it only had one focal plane, the image you see would be upside down and reversed left to right, and a scope like that wouldn't be hugely popular.
Of course a fixed power scope has two focal planes just like a variable, and both (FFP and SFP) exist in fixed power scopes. But as has been pointed out this doesn't make a difference to the user like in variable scopes in regard to reticle subtensions.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dieselgeek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it's a FIXED power scope, it only has 1 focal plane. So it would be in the first focal plane.</div></div>
If it only had one focal plane, the image you see would be upside down and reversed left to right, and a scope like that wouldn't be hugely popular.
Of course a fixed power scope has two focal planes just like a variable, and both (FFP and SFP) exist in fixed power scopes. But as has been pointed out this doesn't make a difference to the user like in variable scopes in regard to reticle subtensions.
Re: First or Second Plane Scope....
Whoops! Thanks for the correction David!
You're also right, it's not like it matters.
Whoops! Thanks for the correction David!
You're also right, it's not like it matters.
Re: First or Second Plane Scope....
Thanks for setting us all straight COLDBOREMIRACLE!!!!
LMAO could not agree with you more...
Thanks for setting us all straight COLDBOREMIRACLE!!!!
LMAO could not agree with you more...
Re: First or Second Plane Scope....
that is some good info really makes u think, mmmmm
that is some good info really makes u think, mmmmm
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