Rifle Scopes  First "Professional" Optic, Need Expert Advice

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Hello all,

First time posting, but long time reading.

Ive finally accumulated enough pieces of the precision rifle puzzle and am about to step into the PRS world hopefully when i return from my paid vacation to the fertile cresent.

Im in need of some help deciding on the optic to mount to my Rem 700 SA (6.5 CM) in KRG Bravo chassis. My objective is to purchase one optic that will last me for the foreseeable future that I can interchange with different rifles I own.

Im sold on Horus reticles, ive shot a few styles and personally see the benefit to their designs and would like to own one. Ive been shooting for awhile but never really found the time to gather all the resources together until now to build a proper rifle.

My options below are what ive narrowed it down too, and am open to discussion on which one to finally purchase. Please be honest with your criticisms, id hate to spend the money on an optic that wont last, or isnt as great as its price tag.

a. Leupold Mark 8 3.5-25x56 M5B2 T3 FFP

b. S&B PMii 5-25x56 L/P DT H59 FFP

c. USO B-25 5-25x52 H102 FFP

d. NF ATACR 5-25x56 T3 FFP

Thank you for the help, i was ready to print out pictures and throw darts. Also the above listed Im able to purchase for all around the same price, so that isnt a factor.
 

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Diverdon, could you elaborate on why not to choose A and C? On paper their specs look all pretty similiar, but its what i cant read from the manufacturers and the experience from people like yourself with experience that I need. I need those non-manufacturer details.

do those companies just make bad optics or is the community trending away from them for other reasons?

im already leaning away from Leupold because of the odd sized tube diameter, 35mm?
 

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    Diverdon, could you elaborate on why not to choose A and C? On paper their specs look all pretty similiar, but its what i cant read from the manufacturers and the experience from people like yourself with experience that I need. I need those non-manufacturer details.

    do those companies just make bad optics or is the community trending away from them for other reasons?

    im already leaning away from Leupold because of the odd sized tube diameter, 35mm?

    I have never owned either, but I have never heard any one who did own one call them "bad optics". But there seems to be a consensus developing that S&B PMII and NF Atacar or Beast and Vortex gen II or AMG and Tangent Theta are the choices most people are really going to be happy with. Kahles has some who swear by it.

    You ask for expert advice, I'm more of an opinionated guy on the internet. I have the S&B my only complaint is that it tunnels below 7x. Now that the 3-27 is out I would get that. The S&B 5-25 widest FOV (at 7x) is 5M at 100M. The 3-27 widest FOV is (at 3x) is 13M at 100M.

    For me I would choose S&B 3-27 because I prefer the H2CMR reticle. For me the Horus seems too gimickey and too based on the salesmanship of the creator. I prefer a simpler less cluttered design. But you sound like you may already have experience with the Horus, so if you know how to use it and you are comfortable with it it may be the best choice for you.
     

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    Redneckbmxer24, I do like the Tremor 3 as well but in S&B thats just out of my price point. NF, USO, and Leupold are available with T3 and within the budget.

    Ive looked at the Bushnell ET XRSii with H59, as well but it seems a bit too good to be true.

    i picked Horus reticles cause the logic behind them seems solid and it narrows my options, to only a few manufacturers instead of everyone that is listed on sites like optics planet or euro optic.

    Another question that has been digging at me is "illumination", and is it really useful? For shooting out to 1000yds ive never used an illuminated reticle, however for yearly marksmanship qualifications ive been made to use the ACOG, which is illuminated. I personally dont have a preference, but havent shot PRS matches before or shot over 600yds regularly.
     

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    B or D as you have them listed.

    I have never owned a USO but with either the H59 or T3 reticle, I would not be afraid of trying one.

    As far as A goes, what does a Mark 8 with a T3 reticle sell for? Near $4700? Not for me. Ill take the $3300 NF ATACR
     

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    Illumination not necessary in my opinion.

    As far as what reticle, T3 or H59, dont get caught up in the entire reticle. It is unlikely you will ever use the reticle for holding shots past 3 mils on a generous sized target. Thats 600 yards with my 6 creedmoor.
     

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    Stwcattle, is price what keeps people from buying leupolds? Or is there another reason?

    i know i previously stated that 35mm tube was odd and thats what kept me from committing to them, but i just looked at Badger Ord, and they sell a set of 35mm rings which was what i was going to use on 34mm anyway, so im going to disregard that difference.
     

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    I have owned all for of those scopes (Maybe not with those recticles) and each one has good and bad. The people that are telling you to cross out certain optics without even ever using them is baffling. Either way, you asked for an opinion and I'll give you one. I'll try to make this brief and to the point. You won't be unhappy with any of them. I won't speak about the reticles because I prefer more basic reticles.
    a. Leupold. Great scope. Pretty much same design as the schmidt. The knobs are okay. You will have to get used to them. I like them, but some people hate them. Turrets have never failed me. To me. This is the best glass or same as schmidt. My eyes can't tell a difference.
    b. Schmidt. There's not much to say. Mechanics, turrets, and glass all great. It and the leupold share the same body outline. I like the schmidt. Not crazy about the turrets and it tunneled at low power, but you can't have everything. My least favorite thing about this scope is their customer service.
    c.USO. this scope has the best turrets and heft. It seems bullet proof. The glass is true color which means it doesn't pop but quality is good. The glass is great but not schmidt or leupold good. I really like this scope.
    d. Nightforce. I feel this scope has everything top tier but nothing number 1. Don't get me wrong, this is a great scope and never let me down. Turrets are great, glass is great, layout is great.

    like I said earlier, all these scopes are fantastic. I don't think you would be unhappy with any of them. Feel free to PM me if you have any other specific questions.
     

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    I can't speak for others but yes for me price does keep me from buying the Mark 8.

    I own both S&B and NF. Like said above, the NF may not be 1st in any category , but i really like them and keep buying them over S&B. With that said, S&B price has been reduced and much more competitive. That would have me looking at S&B again.

    I agree with what was said by poorboyr, you cant go wrong with any of the four. All four very nice scopes.
     

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    I've used all of your above choices cept for the Mark 8. Used plenty of Leu's
    but not willing to drop mark 8 coinage.
    you left out about 5 or 6 great choices.
    Minox MP5 MR4
    Kahles SKMR3
    Vortex AMG
    Vortex Gen II Razor
    Tangent Theta.
    NF 7-35
    it the TT had the MR4 reticle it would be a harder choice,
    and more expensive, but based on those 10
    with performance, reticle choices, and price being factored in
    i would go with the Minox or AMG.
    i really like the 7-35 except for the reticle choices.
    Don't care for the 5-25 USO baseball bat length.
    pretty much couldn't go wrong with quite a few of the these scopes, so figure out which one has the feature set and reticle
    you want in the price range you can afford and do your research.

     

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    Poorboyr, thank you for your assessment, its good to know from experienced people like those found on the Hide, that the glass ive narrowed it down to will do the job. I habitually over analyze purchases because money is crucial and ive got engineer blood in me, which if your ever met an engineer is both a blessing and a curse.

    7WSMShooter, i actually looked at all those as well, but decided to narrow it down to optics in which I could get the Horus reticles, because... it made life easier. And as i previously stated im an engineer by birth soo... we need "controls" in place to make decisions.

    I will say that due to my role in the active duty military, their are price options granted that improve my outlook on the Leupold, as with the otherz, so in all reality price becomes a constant as well (minus the S&B with T3, thats an outlier).

    I noticed some Leupolds (Mark series) dont have parallax adjustment, is that true with the Mark 8?
     

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    A piece of advice.

    Horus reticles are not especially useful for PRS style matches. It is a holdover reticle deisgned to get hits on very generous sized steel and human targets from guys that don't have a previous foundation for Long Range shooting.

    If you look at what most of the good PRS shooters are using, you won't see many Horus reticles, and those that do have them are not really using them as they are intended.

    All of the quick ranging, wind dots, and mover holds are basically garbage in PRS. Wind dots work out to something like 4mph value per dot, which isn't really fine enough for PRS. And winds are not always consistent from one range to the next.

    You will also be dialing for longer shots as well. There's no sense in using the bottom half of the scope to aim with when you will be in charge of spotting your own impacts and trace. Being able to see trace through the scope is a big advantage on targets that don't have a clear backstop.

    There is a wide selection of scopes that are acceptable for PRS matches. All of the scopes you listed are excellent choices depending on your personal preferences. I wouldn't really hesitate to use any one of them in a match.

    Other good options are the Vortex Razor Gen 2 4.5-27x, the Khales 624i, and Bushnell ERS Gen II that you named earlier in the thread.

    The Vortex Gen II has been one of the most prolific scopes because it does everything a PRS scope needs to. It comes with a nice clean christmas tree style, good turrets that can be locked down when you want, and left unlocked for dialing.

    The Khales 624i has good christmas tree style options too with .2mil wind holds on the center. It also has a very generous field of view, and is very easy to get behind on max magnification. Turrets are huge with good click spacing.

    The new Bushnell is a huge upgrade over the old ones as well. Glass is on par with the Vortex and Nightforce for all intents and purposes. The reticle is specifically tailored for PRS use, with 1.5 and 1.7 mil hash marks for 2.5 - 3.5 mph movers that are common in PRS matches. It also goes a little bit higher mag
     
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    I don't have any of them, they're not in my budget right not. :) But from what I've seen on the line, S&B and Nightforce would be the top two in your list. Haven't seen many, if any Horus either. Personally after looking through lots of scopes recently the Nightforce 7-35 would be my choice. I really like the floating dot reticle, it it only had .2 wind hold in the first mil I think it would be perfect.
     

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    Sapper,

    There are many great choices from every manufacturer mentioned in this topic, we'd be happy to go over the Pros and Cons of each to help you select the ideal scope for you. If you're interested than please call 916.670.1103 and we'll ask you some questions and vice versa to guide you to the correct choice. :cool:
     

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    My thoughts on illumination: I have taken courses that included optional night fire. One of those courses was from black hats. I have also had other opportunities to engage precision rifle targets at night. At the price point of the optics under discussion I would not want to forgo those shots.
     

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    Sapper,

    There are many great choices from every manufacturer mentioned in this topic, we'd be happy to go over the Pros and Cons of each to help you select the ideal scope for you. If you're interested than please call 916.670.1103 and we'll ask you some questions and vice versa to guide you to the correct choice. :cool:


    Can't go wrong with CSTactical!!
     

    SapperMick

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    CTS, id love to give you a call but you may have to settle for a PM, since im currently still deployed. Which is why I cant get go to Cabelas and look at all the optics have have to make some decision based on internet reviews and personal opinions.

    BangBang, that was very insightful. Ive read before alot of similiar articles to what you posted on the issue between Horus reticles and PRS. Ive also had enough time with my covetted disk from Magpul "The Art of the Precision Rifle" to self-radicalize myself to Todds beliefs around the Horus reticle (yes, i realize he is somewhat biased) however i have met a number of professionals that were taught by him and they swear by his teachings, and swear by the reticle.

    Having said all that, ive had the pleasure to shoot behind Horus reticles and although they seemed confusing at first, after i learned the concept, i picked them up well enough. My attempt at purchasing a Horus reticle in a "expert" quality scope, is my personal belief that it will allow me to pay once for an optic Ill be able to use on a variety of long guns, for a variety of purposes.

    Dont mistake me though, i looked at all the optics listed above others have mentioned (i rarely sleep) and do see the merits in them, and would like to have multiples, however... i can only hide so many purchases from my wife...
     

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    CTS, id love to give you a call but you may have to settle for a PM, since im currently still deployed. Which is why I cant get go to Cabelas and look at all the optics have have to make some decision based on internet reviews and personal opinions.

    BangBang, that was very insightful. Ive read before alot of similiar articles to what you posted on the issue between Horus reticles and PRS. Ive also had enough time with my covetted disk from Magpul "The Art of the Precision Rifle" to self-radicalize myself to Todds beliefs around the Horus reticle (yes, i realize he is somewhat biased) however i have met a number of professionals that were taught by him and they swear by his teachings, and swear by the reticle.

    Having said all that, ive had the pleasure to shoot behind Horus reticles and although they seemed confusing at first, after i learned the concept, i picked them up well enough. My attempt at purchasing a Horus reticle in a "expert" quality scope, is my personal belief that it will allow me to pay once for an optic Ill be able to use on a variety of long guns, for a variety of purposes.

    Dont mistake me though, i looked at all the optics listed above others have mentioned (i rarely sleep) and do see the merits in them, and would like to have multiples, however... i can only hide so many purchases from my wife...

    SapperMick,

    When that whole Magpul "The Art of the Precision Rifle" DVD came out a few years ago there was a long discussion on the forum about the good and bad of it. You can research that thread, but to keep a long story short, there were some things that happened in the DVD that highlighted Todd's lack of precision rifle fundamentals and they blamed it on equipment, among other things. There are far superior training DVDs out there by many highly reputable precision rifle instructors that you should purchase and use to base your knowledge on precision rifle shooting, reticles, equipment, fundamentals, etc.
     

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    CTS, id love to give you a call but you may have to settle for a PM, since im currently still deployed. Which is why I cant get go to Cabelas and look at all the optics have have to make some decision based on internet reviews and personal opinions.

    BangBang, that was very insightful. Ive read before alot of similiar articles to what you posted on the issue between Horus reticles and PRS. Ive also had enough time with my covetted disk from Magpul "The Art of the Precision Rifle" to self-radicalize myself to Todds beliefs around the Horus reticle (yes, i realize he is somewhat biased) however i have met a number of professionals that were taught by him and they swear by his teachings, and swear by the reticle.

    Having said all that, ive had the pleasure to shoot behind Horus reticles and although they seemed confusing at first, after i learned the concept, i picked them up well enough. My attempt at purchasing a Horus reticle in a "expert" quality scope, is my personal belief that it will allow me to pay once for an optic Ill be able to use on a variety of long guns, for a variety of purposes.

    Dont mistake me though, i looked at all the optics listed above others have mentioned (i rarely sleep) and do see the merits in them, and would like to have multiples, however... i can only hide so many purchases from my wife...

    First of all Sapper, thank you for your service and commitment to our great nation, vacationing in the "fertile crescent" as you mention is not an easy assignment and I am grateful for your willingness to do so.

    I'm not going to offer you advice on the scopes you've mentioned because I feel the others have done adequately at that - they are all fantastic scopes that should serve you well. What I am going to provide is a little insight into the possibility for resale. I know that you have said you want a scope that you can keep for a very long time and if you are actually able to accomplish that then kudos to you because once you delve deep into this sport you might find your tastes/needs change. So first of all, the Leupold, this is the odd duck as it is a 35mm tube which means 35mm rings whereas all the other scopes listed are 34mm, so if you decide on the Leupold you'll invest in rings that will not work with most other scopes manufactured today, this scope will be harder to sell. US Optics, they used to be one of the most recommended scopes on the forum some years ago but they have fallen out of favor, not quite sure why other than the fact that their design is massive compared to similar scopes, these scopes are going to be harder to sell. Nightforce ATACR F1, this is a relatively new design and jettisoned Nightforce into the conversation as a viable option within the community, great glass and bulletproof design make it one of the best options and also make it quick for selling. Finally, Schmidt & Bender, basically the pioneer of long range scope design with their 5-25 that all others are measured by. Top tier German glass, bulletproof and reliable mechanics cause shooters to take these scopes seriously which also makes them great resale options; the fact that Schmidt USA extended their warranty and dropped their prices last year has made them one of the most popular choices. I know you have committed yourself to the Horus solution; however, if there is even the slightest doubt that you might at some point consider another reticle then you should take into account what I've mentioned here. One other thing I'll mention is this, the Schmidt, Nightforce and US Optics all have less than ideal Field of View (FOV) at 5x magnification at less than 19' for all of them whereas some of the newer designs from other manufacturers offer greater FOV allowing you to see more at the bottom magnification. Obviously many shooters use these scopes quite successfully in the sport, but I tend to prefer scopes that have a wider FOV at that bottom mag, personal preference but may be something for you to consider.
     

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    A piece of advice.

    Horus reticles are not especially useful for PRS style matches. It is a holdover reticle deisgned to get hits on very generous sized steel and human targets from guys that don't have a previous foundation for Long Range shooting.

    If you look at what most of the good PRS shooters are using, you won't see many Horus reticles, and those that do have them are not really using them as they are intended.

    All of the quick ranging, wind dots, and mover holds are basically garbage in PRS. Wind dots work out to something like 4mph value per dot, which isn't really fine enough for PRS. And winds are not always consistent from one range to the next.

    You will also be dialing for longer shots as well. There's no sense in using the bottom half of the scope to aim with when you will be in charge of spotting your own impacts and trace. Being able to see trace through the scope is a big advantage on targets that don't have a clear backstop.

    There is a wide selection of scopes that are acceptable for PRS matches. All of the scopes you listed are excellent choices depending on your personal preferences. I wouldn't really hesitate to use any one of them in a match.

    Other good options are the Vortex Razor Gen 2 4.5-27x, the Khales 624i, and Bushnell ERS Gen II that you named earlier in the thread.

    The Vortex Gen II has been one of the most prolific scopes because it does everything a PRS scope needs to. It comes with a nice clean christmas tree style, good turrets that can be locked down when you want, and left unlocked for dialing.

    The Khales 624i has good christmas tree style options too with .2mil wind holds on the center. It also has a very generous field of view, and is very easy to get behind on max magnification. Turrets are huge with good click spacing.

    The new Bushnell is a huge upgrade over the old ones as well. Glass is on par with the Vortex and Nightforce for all intents and purposes. The reticle is specifically tailored for PRS use, with 1.5 and 1.7 mil hash marks for 2.5 - 3.5 mph movers that are common in PRS matches. It also goes a little bit higher mag

    You're crazy if you think PRS shooters aren't using Horus reticles.

    Not every manufacturer offers one, so it sloughs the numbers. The Vortex Razor and Kahles are the two most popular scopes in PRS, and both use proprietary reticles. But of the companies who do offer Horus reticles, it is often the most popular choice. Nightforce for example has 15 scopes represented in the PRBlog, 11 of them are Horus. Of the 4 Leupolds represented, all of them are Horus reticles, and S&B has Horus reticles represented in their scope line. Bushnell still gets great representation with their H59. I know two guys running those. Hell, plenty of people run them..

    You are confusing the smaller percentage of Horus reticle usage with a lack of interest or quality. When in fact they simply aren't offered by every manufacturer. It's a fantastic reticle for PRS.
     

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    I would cross out a and c then focus on the choice between b and d.

    He's right. They are the ones you should be looking at when it comes to your list. The only thing that should matter to you, is the $ and the reticle choice.

    Not that there aren't other good choices out their. It's your scope, you have to live with it until you sell it or outgrow it and your needs change?
     
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    Jpspeeddemon, im going to defend myself on the video in question... it was the only video available on long range shooting available and mail out here is between 20-30 days from the states, and thats if it gets delivered. I substituted my online searches and video watching with practical application whenever i was able to jump on a range. But still its not my professional field so learning has been slow out to the consistant 1000yd benchmark.

    I have a few other questions for the group.

    a. Although the 5-25x56 is a popular optic "size", is there any reason not to look at the 3-18x44(ish) scopes to accomplish PRS matches, hunting, etc, out to 1200yd?

    b. How many of you ladies and gentlemen factor scope weight and length into the equation for choosing which optic to purchase?

    thanks again for all the help. FYI life out here isnt so tough, i may end up with diabetes after drinking all the super sweet Iraqi tea (chai) though.
     

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    Honestly out of the 4 scopes you are looking at all will suit you well and last a lifetime. If you are military, Leupold has the best Mil program. Otherwise find what you can get the best deal on and get out there and shoot.

    Unfortunately with a lot of forums a ford vs chevy mentality emerges where certain brands are shit regardless of their experience with them. People will see an article online about what pro's use what in the PRS series and next thing you know, Vortex/NF/SB are the best scopes on earth, totally glosing over fact that they are sponsoring top shooters to make sure their gear is always at the top of those list. its no different than any other gear based sport/hobby

    I am not for one second saying that NF/SB/Vortex are not awesome scopes, just when comparing MIL pricing they are not 1000 better than a mk6 or mk8.





     

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    You're crazy if you think PRS shooters aren't using Horus reticles.

    You are confusing the smaller percentage of Horus reticle usage with a lack of interest or quality. When in fact they simply aren't offered by every manufacturer. It's a fantastic reticle for PRS.

    Leupold, Nightforce, and Schmidt do not offer any tree type reticles that are not Horus reticles. Leupold introduced a new one this year.

    Of the people using Horus reticles; they are still predominately dialing for elevation on stages that allow it. They are not holding over for long shots like the reticle was designed.

     

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    BangBang, that was very insightful. Ive read before alot of similiar articles to what you posted on the issue between Horus reticles and PRS. Ive also had enough time with my covetted disk from Magpul "The Art of the Precision Rifle" to self-radicalize myself to Todds beliefs around the Horus reticle (yes, i realize he is somewhat biased) however i have met a number of professionals that were taught by him and they swear by his teachings, and swear by the reticle.

    Just keep in mind where "professional" adoration of the Horus reticle is coming from. Most of the guys that are die hard gung-ho about it is because it's the only thing they were exposed to and tend to beleive that other methods are more difficult until exposed to them. Accuracy First is just as much a marketing tool as it is a shooting school. They might be subject matter experts on Horus reticles and LaRue rifles, but they are not neccesarily subject matter experts on long range shooting.

    There is just as much depth of experience behind other reticle designs that do not rely on "operator credibility" to sell a product. Shannon Kay is a badass motherfucker who designed the SKMR series of reticles, and doesn't use his military experience as a marketing tool (in the same way Horus does) for his reticle or even for the K&M range and classes.

    It's kind of popular to hate on Horus and Leupold on the site here. I don't think they are bad or unusable, but it's not something I specifically look for in a scope.
     

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    BangBang, good point. Theres alot of savants out there in the firearms world, i think we can learn something from everyone, some more than others.

    Ive had the pleasure to speak with alot of ELR enthusiasts while out here, most were professionals based on their occupational specialty, but they almost all shot back in the civilian world. I find many favor the brand that they are supplied with (optics wise) from their units, only a few special bearded men get the afforded the ability to use their personal optics on their service rifles (.308, .338, .375, .408, .50). Most would tend towards the Horus optic given the choice, based on the critical need for follow up shots in scenarios where "dialing" wasnt an option.

    I personally havent experienced that pressure so about 99% of the time I could do either.

    I started this journey into expensive scopes by looking at Vortex and Leupold, but I keep finding more options. Its not like buying trucks, thats easy only really 3x to pick from, and i only drive diesels so that narrows it down more haha.
     

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    Leupold, Nightforce, and Schmidt do not offer any tree type reticles that are not Horus reticles. Leupold introduced a new one this year.

    Of the people using Horus reticles; they are still predominately dialing for elevation on stages that allow it. They are not holding over for long shots like the reticle was designed.

    I agree with that. It makes sense to dial when you can.

    It's essentially the same application as "tree" type reticles. No point in doing holdovers unless it's necessary.

    I was simply disagreeing with you that PRS shooters aren't using it. Plenty of them are. Pretty much as you stated, using the same methods as everyone else.. It's a good reticle for that application. Most people don't care about who is pushing it, or the Magpul videos, or any arguments along the way...
     

    redneckbmxer24

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  • Jan 15, 2005
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    Redneckbmxer24, I do like the Tremor 3 as well but in S&B thats just out of my price point. NF, USO, and Leupold are available with T3 and within the budget.

    MAP on the 5-25 with the standard DT turret is the same for both the H59 and Tremor 3 at $3600 each. If you're seeing a higher price it's probably for one with the locking turrets which I personally would not buy.
     

    Safety_3rd

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    I've owned both the USO and the nightforce. I am a sucker for the H59 reticle. You cant really go wrong with any of those scopes. For me it came down to turret clicks as remedial as that sounds... I went with the nightforce and USO because I liked the clicks, the easy to reset zero stop (I hate bushnell ha), and the warranty... Ohh and pricing. I noticed you mentioned you are deployed, that could really help you. If you've got some time on your hands I would contact companies A, C, D and tell them about your current employment and they will contact you directly with pricing that may be more suitable than what you are accustomed to seeing retail (wink wink). I've never had a warranty issue with nightforce so I cant vouch for that, however I did send a scope back to USO. Really I wasn't having any issues with it but I'd treated it like sh$t for a few years, never cleaned it, broke the lens covers that came with it (bummer because they looked sweeeet, but I upgraded them to the ADD Mount (spelling?)), and had dirt everywhere. I had some down time during hunting season and so I contacted USO to see if they could clean my scope. They were super cool, told me to throw it in the mail (literally said put it in one of the bubble envelopes from the post office) and mail it in. They disassembled it, re-purged the tube with whatever gas they use, cleaned and lubed everything, gave me a tool kit and even created a new box and label with the correct serial number for my scope. Took about 2-3 weeks. I was impressed.
     

    SapperMick

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    Just wanted to update you all.

    I got the pricing for the new Leupold Program Mil program and it coincided with the release of their new Mark 5HD 5-25x56.

    I was blown away by the price for it with an H59 reticle so i sent off the order yesterday, hopefully in 6-8wks some new glass ends up on my doorstep for this 6.5mm!

    Yall were super helpful, now to find out about rangefinders! As i have just that left to purchase