? for you trg guys.

[hyena74]

been playing around with my trg 22 and want to know if this is normal with your guns as well.

anway, then you chamber a round and put the safety on, it locks the bolt handle so it can not come open.

i was going to push the safety forward to fire a shot and it wouldnt budge forward. after a little but of playing with them bolt, it seemed fine.

so i started trying to duplicate the problem and found out what is causing it.

when a round is chambered and the safety is on, the bolt it locked down in place and cannot be opened unless the safety is off.

now, with the round chambered and the safety on, the is just a little play in the bolt handle. if you push the bolt hanadle slightly up and take out the slack, the safety will not work.

keep in mind, the is maybe just like 1/8 inch or play or so at the end of the bolt handle...but, like i said, if you push the bolt handle up it puts pressure on the safety pin and then the safety wont work.

if you push the bolt back down all the way, the safety works like butter.

i was wondering if everyones was like this, or if my trigger mechanism may possibly have a defect?

this seems like it might become a problem in the heat of the action when you have a shot and you try to push the safety forward and it wont but, so you have to free up you hand and jack with the bolt to get it in firing mode

 

[Massoud]

Re: ? for you trg guys.

I have not experienced this issue but it does not surprise me considering how the firing pin block works on the TRG and all other Sakos and Tikkas. The block goes up into a hole in the bolt body, so if you turn the bolt when the block is in the hole, the bolt body will bind with the block. You do not have a defective trigger.

Many, if not all, military snipers are trained so that they do not use the safety. Putting an earplug behind the M24 safety to jam it in the "fire" position use to be common practice. I'm not sure how the Marines do it. Of course, maybe someone in a foreign military that uses a TRG does it a different way and maybe they can give their input.
Justin

 

[Bazgab]

Re: ? for you trg guys.

I did replicate this earlier today but I hardly ever mess with the safety in the first place so I don't see this as an issue, at least for myself.

 

[Hellbender]

Re: ? for you trg guys.

It's made that way to assure the bolt is fully closed before you pull the trigger.

If your gun is brand new, the bolt will slick up during the first few hundred cycles, also.

Also if your reloads are not properly sized, this would not let your bolt work freely. Set the shoulder back a couple of thou and full length resize.

 

[Massoud]

Re: ? for you trg guys.

I was incorrect in that the block does not actually block the firing pin on the Sako 85, and maybe not the TRG but I haven't checked. Either way, it's normal function.

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

Re: ? for you trg guys.

i can honestly say i haven't used my safety on mine 5 times but that doesn't seem like a big issue honestly.

 

[Alaskaman11]

Re: ? for you trg guys.

I do not have that issue on my 42

 

[supratt96]

Re: ? for you trg guys.

If the bolt handle on mine is not fully closed, the safety will not disengage, but I assume that is a safety feature. Not an issue for me either.

 

[Snipers]

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If I had one complaint about the TRG, it's the touchy safety. Sometimes it can just be difficult to engage. One trick is opening the action; then engaging the safety as far as it will go. When the action is closed the safety will be engaged. You can lift the bolt like a three position safety, However, I would only use this as an additional safety precaution when chambering a round. I recommend fully engaging the safety (or disengaging) once the round is chambered. Do not start banging the rifle around; expecting the safety to hold in the midway position. The safety is always easy to fully engage when using this process. And if you try this, please do it on an empty chamber a few times to see how reliable it is on your particular firearm. No offense to anyone - but there are a lot of "newbies" with big bank accounts and limited firearms experience on this site. Don't want to be responsible for any accidents.

That said, once I shoot the occasional 1/4 inch five shoot group, all my TRG complaints soon dissipate. The TRG is a superior firearm.

 

[samnev]

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No issue with my trg 22.

 

[Emouse]

Re: ? for you trg guys.

If the bolt isn't fully in battery why on earth would you want it to disengage????

 

[hyena74]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the bolt isn't fully in battery why on earth would you want it to disengage???? </div></div>
i dont think you are following me. the bolt has to be "fully in battery" for the safety to engage.

let me just give you a little scenario to help you understand what im talking about.

...ok, you chamber a round and put the safety on and throw the rifle over you back and tromp around through the brush. the bolt handle is locked with with the safety on...the safety prevents the bolt from opening when engaged.

a tree limb brushes against your bolt and tries to lift it up, but it wont move because the safety is on. it does, however, apply pressure to the bolt handle trying to open it.

you walk around a while longer in the clear and the biggest deer you have ever seen jumps up. you throw the rifle up and try to release the safety, but the bastard wont disengage.

you have to take your right hand and push the bolt back down to relieve the pressure from it cause by the tree limb hitting it. now, you can disengage the safety...but the deer i long gone.

does that make any sense to you?

some people were saying they dont use the safety, but i think its a nice feature to use just for the fact that it wont let the bolt brush against something and open.

but it does have its downside like i just showed you. there are some though that dont seem to be affected.

maybe with some break in, things will smooth out.

 

[Bazgab]

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Just a quirk of the rifle, nothing that can't be overcome with some training. I mean really, in the situation you described with training on the rifle you could sweep the bolt handle on the way to getting into a firing position to make sure it is in the downward most position if the safety was engaged. It takes less time to check the bolt than it does to disengage the safety.

If you were not running with the safety on you would have to be certain the bolt was fully in battery and some branch didn't knock it upward when going through brush before firing. Though the bolt can't move as much with the safety engaged (fraction of an inch like you said), you would follow the same procedure before firing...making sure the bolt is fully in battery. Don't really see a problem with this.

 

[Emouse]

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alternatively work with chamber empty and safety off whilst moving?

 

[The_FNG]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hyena74</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the bolt isn't fully in battery why on earth would you want it to disengage???? </div></div>
i dont think you are following me. the bolt has to be "fully in battery" for the safety to engage.

let me just give you a little scenario to help you understand what im talking about.

...ok, you chamber a round and put the safety on and throw the rifle over you back and tromp around through the brush. the bolt handle is locked with with the safety on...the safety prevents the bolt from opening when engaged.

a tree limb brushes against your bolt and tries to lift it up, but it wont move because the safety is on. it does, however, apply pressure to the bolt handle trying to open it.

you walk around a while longer in the clear and the biggest deer you have ever seen jumps up. you throw the rifle up and try to release the safety, but the bastard wont disengage.

you have to take your right hand and push the bolt back down to relieve the pressure from it cause by the tree limb hitting it. now, you can disengage the safety...but the deer i long gone.

does that make any sense to you?

some people were saying they dont use the safety, but i think its a nice feature to use just for the fact that it wont let the bolt brush against something and open.

but it does have its downside like i just showed you. there are some though that dont seem to be affected.

maybe with some break in, things will smooth out. </div></div>

People hunt with TRG's? They must be herculean

 

[BasraBoy]

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It's good "nursery slope" training for when they move up to an AW!!

 

[hyena74]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the_fng</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hyena74</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the bolt isn't fully in battery why on earth would you want it to disengage???? </div></div>
i dont think you are following me. the bolt has to be "fully in battery" for the safety to engage.

let me just give you a little scenario to help you understand what im talking about.

...ok, you chamber a round and put the safety on and throw the rifle over you back and tromp around through the brush. the bolt handle is locked with with the safety on...the safety prevents the bolt from opening when engaged.

a tree limb brushes against your bolt and tries to lift it up, but it wont move because the safety is on. it does, however, apply pressure to the bolt handle trying to open it.

you walk around a while longer in the clear and the biggest deer you have ever seen jumps up. you throw the rifle up and try to release the safety, but the bastard wont disengage.

you have to take your right hand and push the bolt back down to relieve the pressure from it cause by the tree limb hitting it. now, you can disengage the safety...but the deer i long gone.

does that make any sense to you?

some people were saying they dont use the safety, but i think its a nice feature to use just for the fact that it wont let the bolt brush against something and open.

but it does have its downside like i just showed you. there are some though that dont seem to be affected.

maybe with some break in, things will smooth out. </div></div>

People hunt with TRG's? They must be herculean

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somebody has to

 

[hyena74]

Re: ? for you trg guys.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's good "nursery slope" training for when they move up to an AW!!

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i just dont know about those things.