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Suppressors FORM 1 pulling my hair out

PMCfighter

The Reaper
Minuteman
May 15, 2019
32
9
Texas
Can anyone please tell me if I need to be filling out form 1 or another form to build my suppressor myself? Please! I filled out the form for my SBR but it says nothing about suppressors just SBR, SBS and explosives. They take long enough to do the approval I don’t want it kicked back.
 
So another question my kids are under 18 how do I add them as “responsible persons”?

I’m no lawyer by any means, but I don‘t believe you can, yet. RP’s have to be eligible to be allowed.

You’d need to have someone on there that could "will" those over to your children. Someone you trust to actually honor your wishes.

Otherwise, they need to be 21 before you can add them (AFAIK).
 
Responsible persons are for Trusts only. Form 1 is for "Making NFA" whether its an SBR, SBS, silencer etc.
Form 5 is the taxfree transfer to an heir when you die whether Trust or individual.
 
I would highly recommend a trust. I did use an attorney and he was able to setup and execute my wishes for the NFA items that I have acquired. As the laws have changed about the trust, I still believe it is the best option if you wish you and your family to enjoy these items. Just an opinion, but to me it was worth the 500 bucks! Tom
 
I assumed he was talking about a trust when he mentioned responsible persons, after the ATF 41F/41P crap changes.

Trust is no doubt the way to go though if he wasn’t.
 
Alright let me clear a couple things up. I contacted an ATF attorney ( who actually is supposed to be a go to trust attorney) about a trust. His response was “why do you need a trust, since the rules have changed?” I have the email would be fine posting it. So I asked JAG if they could help establish one because the other attorney wouldn’t or couldn’t explain what rules. JAG said they will not do a firearms trust. I called the ATF to ask about the new rules, since I felt I had seriously missed something in the NFA rulings. The ATF said, “ there are many new regulations and rule changes. He’s ( the attorney) is probably referring to section 4 requiring a chief law enforcement signature. That rule change has made it unnecessary to have a trust for most people” I have always been under the impression form 1 was for building NFA by an individual, for the individual, in other words not “manufacturing for sale” form 7. Like I said I have used form 1 to build an SBR. NOW the form 1 doesn’t list suppressors ( can’t remember if it did) but more importantly has a new section regarding someone other than the form 1 applicant building the NFA item for the applicant who is not the responsible person. That is new. Also it clearly states other responsible parties. I always thought the trust covered others on the trust. That section is also new. Leading me to be VERY IRRITATED! Because the powers that be will kick it back after 12 months if anything at all is wrong. I’m sorry guys I just really do my best to abide by the law every aspect of my life. My moral compass is on north. I’m just looking for a straight answer. The dang firearms attorney was no help, JAG was no help ( never are) and the ATF was no help. I just need someone who actually has been down this road since the “rule changes” and new form to watch my 6 on this. I’m all ears and am looking for advice. Do I need a trust? Is it a good idea? Does form 1 still cover cans? At what point do I send in my drawings? I’m all ears guys....
 
I filed an efile form 1 for a suppressor and had it back in just under a month with a trust. I created my trust online, filed the form 1, and sent the letter to the local Pd for notification. I have never filed a paper form 1 but with the efile process I would go that route if at all possible.
Also how do you submit your fingerprints and photo etc filing an online trust?
 
He is right the rules have changed. On the trust, in the past you can add people and they did not need to pass the same background checks. A loop hole, so others could use the NFA items, I never used the trust for that reason. No longer do you need the chief law enforcement signature, just drop off the notice to local law enforcement you are acquiring the NFA item. Finger prints, id photos and info are required for all parties at the start of the paperwork. Why I feel the trust is worth while are the rule changes and future rule changes. My first 5 cans our sheriff would not sign, political reasons, So I started the trust and add my wife to the trust. This also states my intent to were firearms and NFA items should go in case something happens to myself or my wife. All new NFA I acquire are being added, just in case..... reason being my first few NFA items were done differently than my current items and I would like the trust to show how and why the were acquired under the different laws. I also like to do things by the book, but NFA items seem to be a slippery slope with rule changes. So, i feel the trust will protect my items if something bad occurs or if future rules changes come around. Once again, I am no expert and I use the trust as insurance. I have however done the process 9 times and have used the trust each and every time before and after the rule changes. The shop I use and is a great place, states no trust is needed, but also does not have a great answer about the first 5 NFA items I acquired and responsible parties portion. I am going to reach out to the ATF to consider doing paperwork on those first 5 items adding family but I hope the trust adds a safety net until completion. Just a thought, hopefully some items will be non NFA items soon..... like cans!!!!!
 
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He is right the rules have changed. On the trust, in the past you can add people and they did not need to pass the same background checks. A loop hole, so others could use the NFA items, I never used the trust for that reason. No longer do you need the chief law enforcement signature, just drop off the notice to local law enforcement you are acquiring the NFA item. Finger prints, id photos and info are required for all parties at the start of the paperwork. Why I feel the trust is worth while are the rule changes and future rule changes. My first 5 cans our sheriff would not sign, political reasons, So I started the trust and add my wife to the trust. This also states my intent to were firearms and NFA items should go in case something happens to myself or my wife. All new NFA I acquire are being added, just in case..... reason being my first few NFA items were done differently than my current items and I would like the trust to show how and why the were acquired under the different laws. I also like to do things by the book, but NFA items seem to be a slippery slope with rule changes. So, i feel the trust will protect my items if something bad occurs or if future rules changes come around. Once again, I am no expert and I use the trust as insurance. I have however done the process 9 times and have used the trust each and every time before and after the rule changes. The shop I use and is a great place, states no trust is needed, but also does not have a great answer about the first 5 NFA items I acquired and responsible parties portion. I am going to reach out to the ATF to consider doing paperwork on those first 5 items adding family but I hope the trust adds a safety net until completion. Just a thought, hopefully some items will be non NFA items soon..... like cans!!!!!
Thank you! This explains a lot about the new form 1 appearance. So are fingerprints and photo supposed to be attached every time you purchase/build a new NFA item? I am completely on board with the trust as it is it’s own entity. I too am worried about the coming years. I am just very confused about how to actually go about all of this now.
 
Thank you! This explains a lot about the new form 1 appearance. So are fingerprints and photo supposed to be attached every time you purchase/build a new NFA item? I am completely on board with the trust as it is it’s own entity. I too am worried about the coming years. I am just very confused about how to actually go about all of this now.
Yes, 2 finger print cards and 2 photos are needed. Local sheriff departments does my finger print cards and I go to CVS pharmacy to get 2 passport photos, which are just 2"X2" pics.
 
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There’s a simple workaround with a trust to avoid having to do a background check when addding items for each person on the trust. Before you buy or build an NFA item under a trust, slip a document in the trust removing everyone but yourself. Once you have submitted the PW and received said item, simply remove that document and shred it.
 
Yes, 2 finger print cards and 2 photos are needed. Local sheriff departments does my finger print cards and I go to CVS pharmacy to get 2 passport photos, which are just 2"X2" pics.

^^^This and you can down the “Passport photo” app And do the 2x2 photos yourself take a pic of yourself on a non lined light colored wall is what the local GS told me to do.
 
There’s a simple workaround with a trust to avoid having to do a background check when addding items for each person on the trust. Before you buy or build an NFA item under a trust, slip a document in the trust removing everyone but yourself. Once you have submitted the PW and received said item, simply remove that document and shred it.


Will this really work? There are just a lot of family I want listed.
 
Will this really work? There are just a lot of family I want listed.
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There’s a simple workaround with a trust to avoid having to do a background check when addding items for each person on the trust. Before you buy or build an NFA item under a trust, slip a document in the trust removing everyone but yourself. Once you have submitted the PW and received said item, simply remove that document and shred it.


Doesn't a trust need at least 2 trustees or in the nfa world, responsible persons?

I had thought of your solution but was advised of above
 
Will this really work? There are just a lot of family I want listed.

It works. I did my trust with NFALawyers and used the amendment (to remove 2 others from being RPs) attached to the end of the trust when I did my efile form 1. Had my approval email in 19 days from submission.