Former ATF Agent says Agency is full of SH!t

[_Windrider_]

Former ATF agent at center of legal dispute over AR-15 — CNN

Ex-ATF agent Dan O'Kelly says federal law does not apply to a key component of the AR-15 and many other weapons, creating a loophole through which convicted felons could acquire a firearm piece by piece.

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[Coyote-6]

Former ATF agent at center of legal dispute over AR-15 — CNN

Ex-ATF agent Dan O'Kelly says federal law does not apply to a key component of the AR-15 and many other weapons, creating a loophole through which convicted felons could acquire a firearm piece by piece.

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Double edged sword. They'll probably just deal with this by going back to 1963 legislation

 

[Rthur]

Why exactly is the ATF making law?
This is a huge hint ^^^.

R

 

[deersniper]

I don’t know why everyone is jerking off to the “lower is not the firearms” bs.

Where do they think it’s going to lead? You want serialized uppers and barrels? Cause .gov is a ratchet. They only take freedom and treasure. They never give it back.

 

[supercorndogs]

In fairness though, ratchets do go in both directions.

 

[Rthur]

I don’t know why everyone is jerking off to the “lower is not the firearms” bs.

Where do they think it’s going to lead? You want serialized uppers and barrels? Cause .gov is a ratchet. They only take freedom and treasure. They never give it back.

More along the lines of adjusting the definition when it suits the ATF.
Receivers have been the core component serialized piece for a long time.
This is comparable to calling a hollow tube with a couple of cuts in it a Rem 700 action.

R

 

[Coyote-6]

More along the lines of adjusting the definition when it suits the ATF.
Receivers have been the core component serialized piece for a long time.
This is comparable to calling a hollow tube with a couple of cuts in it a Rem 700 action.

R

Think we'd consider that a trued rem action, eh?

 

[supercorndogs]

More along the lines of adjusting the definition when it suits the ATF.
Receivers have been the core component serialized piece for a long time.
This is comparable to calling a hollow tube with a couple of cuts in it a Rem 700 action.

R

Not really because they don't call an 80% lower a firearm. This is just an example of what you get when you have the money to pay for really good lawyers.

 

[Rthur]

Not really because they don't call an 80% lower a firearm. This is just an example of what you get when you have the money to pay for really good lawyers.

They are in fact trying to change that right now.
Have heard more than a couple rumors of bills going after 80%'s.

R

 

[Inifinty]

The oligarchs are gonna buy up all the manufacturing and shut off your ready made access to such anyway.

 

[supercorndogs]

They are in fact trying to change that right now.
Have heard more than a couple rumors of bills going after 80%'s.

R

Not that they aren't working on some bills, but facts and rumors are different.

 

[MtnCreek]

ATF is in a shitty position. A bunch of idiots that think a barrel shroud is 'that shoulder thing that goes up' wrote the law. They were handed a bucket of shit and told to make something out of it.

 

[Dirty D]

Why exactly is the ATF making law?
This is a huge hint ^^^.

R

Because no one has tightened up on their leash yet, the last administration gave them enough leash to sell guns to the cartels.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Man, i need to save this guys info.

 

[rlarsen462]

Why is everything a "loophole." So tired of that word.

Also this guy just needs to leave it alone, I totally agree the only thing this leads to is worse federal regulations.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Abolish the ATF because it infringes on the Second Amendment. There, problem solved. Ok that will never happen. So, the Republicans aren't going to write any gun laws, so the DemonRats will do it. They will intentionally or just by pure ignorance write up laws that are too general and turn the shit over to the ATF to enforce a law that makes no sense, but infringes on everyone's rights. So we don't want the DemonRats making these laws up, but do we what Republicans doing it either? I think not. We haven't been able to hold the bureaucrats accountable so far, so we must hold our elected representative accountable. Of course we know how that goes, the representative vote that shit into law and then gets voted out; then law never goes away and we pay the price.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Let's ignore the ATF and maybe they will go away.

 

[Rthur]

Not that they aren't working on some bills, but facts and rumors are different.

80 Lower Blog - 80% Lowers

80 Lower Blog

www.80-lower.com

H.R. 7115, New Attempt to Ban Building AR-15s and Lower Parts Kits

H.R. 7115 known as the “3D Firearms Prohibitions Act” will ban the selling and all forms of advertising of parts kits for modern sporting rifles.

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Just a couple of examples of past efforts.
While they have/may fail I'll doubt they'll quit trying.

R

 

[Longshot231]

The ATF and other agencies like them will always want to regulate something in order to justify their continued employment with the tax payers.

In discussions with my friends, I've posed the following scenario.

Let's say someone is able to invent a "ray gun." You know; the type they use in science fiction movies. It does not hold any bullets or have a magazine. It dispenses a burst of energy rather than a bullet.

This hypothetical "ray gun" is very portable and can be carried in a holster or your pocket. Concealed carry laws aside, there is no federal or state law that I know of that would designate this hypothetical "ray gun" as a firearm because it does not dispense a bullet.

It's just like black powder weapons; muzzle-loading rifles, pistols, shotguns as well as cap & ball revolvers. Those are not firearms according to the ATF. Some states, on the other hand, regard black powder weapons as firearms.

If there ever comes a time when someone invents a personal defense weapon that uses a burst of energy to stop an attacker, watch for the apoplectic reaction and peeing of the pants from the anti-gunners.

In 1934 congress defined a machine gun but DJT ordered the ATF to designate a bump stock as a machine gun and ban it.

The ATF has also gone out of their way to take aim at Frankford Arsenal's reformation that is [by definition] neither a shotgun, pistol or rifle.

The article that the OP posted is spot on. The ATF has an attitude of arrogance when deciding who can or cannot possess a piece of metal or polymer.

 

[Longshot231]

 

[ewoaf]

The ATF and other agencies like them will always want to regulate something in order to justify their continued employment with the tax payers.

In discussions with my friends, I've posed the following scenario.

Let's say someone is able to invent a "ray gun." You know; the type they use in science fiction movies. It does not hold any bullets or have a magazine. It dispenses a burst of energy rather than a bullet.

This hypothetical "ray gun" is very portable and can be carried in a holster or your pocket. Concealed carry laws aside, there is no federal or state law that I know of that would designate this hypothetical "ray gun" as a firearm because it does not dispense a bullet.

It's just like black powder weapons; muzzle-loading rifles, pistols, shotguns as well as cap & ball revolvers. Those are not firearms according to the ATF. Some states, on the other hand, regard black powder weapons as firearms.

If there ever comes a time when someone invents a personal defense weapon that uses a burst of energy to stop an attacker, watch for the apoplectic reaction and peeing of the pants from the anti-gunners.

In 1934 congress defined a machine gun but DJT ordered the ATF to designate a bump stock as a machine gun and ban it.

The ATF has also gone out of their way to take aim at Frankford Arsenal's reformation that is [by definition] neither a shotgun, pistol or rifle.

The article that the OP posted is spot on. The ATF has an attitude of arrogance when deciding who can or cannot possess a piece of metal or polymer.

The root problem is that neither the chief magistrate, nor the ATF have any enumerated powers to make, pass, or amend any laws. Congress does. For some reason the chief executive or an executive agency makes an unconstitutional decree and everyone simply nods and accepts that. That's not ok nor legal.

 

[DavidK]

In reality none of this matters. They will get Congress to change the law to their liking or get a Presidential declaration (bump stock)

 

[RyanScott]

The bump stock thing is illegal. A court will eventually overturn it.

 

[Strykervet]

The only problem I see is too much government.

 

[clcustom1911]

I totally agree the only thing this leads to is worse federal regulations.

I think that's the point.....

He's helping get people off due to a gaping hole in the logic when applying the law.

That hole will be closed soon enough, if not by Pres Trump, who is not "pro-2a"... he's neutral at best, then by a Dem Admin and congress etc.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

...If there ever comes a time when someone invents a personal defense weapon that uses a burst of energy to stop an attacker, watch for the apoplectic reaction and peeing of the pants from the anti-gunners...

...And...; Voila!

950,000 Volts

 

[Longshot231]

...And...; Voila!

950,000 Volts

I want one.

Skip past the credits to the 1:30 mark and check this guy’s cane.

That thing is illegal in just about all 50 states. It’s easier to get a CCW than carrying one of those legally in this country.