Range Report Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

[JL]

Apparently it will be unveiled in SHOT.
And it really works, I know...
Free downloadable version will be locked to Lapua bullets only.

<span style="font-style: italic">"in elevation is less than 2.5 cm (1”) for 338 Lapua Magnum at 1,500 meters (1,640 yds) –less than a quarter of one click, with a standard 1/4 MOA click scope. With traditional B.C. (G1), error would be over 1 meter or >40”</span>

http://www.lapua.com/en/customer-center/lapua-ballistics/lapua-ballistics-software.html

 

[Lindy]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

Given that it's limited to Lapua bullets, and the insignificant cost of a program like Ballistic FTE, I don't regard that as very interesting. When an excellent program like Ballistic FTE costs less than the ammunition I shoot in a single drill, cost becomes a non-issue for me.

I suppose there are people for whom a $20 difference in price is significant, but I'd suspect they are not shooting ammunition loaded with Lapua bullets, if they are shooting at all.

 

[JL]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

Hmmm. With all respect, I have slight difficulties to follow you logic.
Because:
-Its free
-Its damn accurate with Lapua bullets, matched to doppler bullet radar data
-It runs in any old phone (except Apple?)
-Installation doesent prevent using other similar programs

I planned to buy some old $5 phone for it, and keep it in my dragbag. SIM -card is not needed.
Naturally, if one is not using Lapua bullets, then there is no point to use it at all.

 

[Lindy]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Naturally, if one is not using Lapua bullets, then there is no point to use it at all.</div></div>

Ahh, so you <span style="font-style: italic">do</span> follow my logic.

 

[vman]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

Hehehe

I guess it gives the old geezers an opportunity to dabble with technology whilst not having to pay for anything.

If anything its more marketing

 

[azimutha]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

It's disingenuous to state something like "With traditional B.C. (G1), error would be over 1 meter (>40")" when they well know the G1 model is not appropriate for those bullets, at least at the distances mentioned (1500 meters). (You can get away with using a G1 BC on a boat tail out to 400-500 meters as long as it's accurate).

Also, while the doppler radar BCs are no doubt very accurate, so are those calculated by Bryan Litz. I'd much prefer to be armed with those for a much wider variety of bullets and an uncrippled ballistics calculator that costs $10. Verdict: Meh.

 

[JL]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

What I personally find best in that software (besides accuracy, naturally) is its simplicity.
It has very, very fast and clear user interface.

I have used beta versions, and using it still brings smile in to my face. If range, wind or weather changes, just by pressing button new adustments are clearly visible right away without annoying and slow button-drill. SW has no pretty animations or graphigs tho since its java -based. Doesent matter to me.
Touch screens are not for me anyway since I have to use it with gloves too.

And as I said before: "Installation doesent prevent using other similar programs".
For instance, I´ve got 3 separate navigation and 2 ballistic programs in my phone. I just start up most suitable in various situations. Cant really see why ballistic programs should be any different.
Original (full version) of that SW btw is www.vikingballistics.com
"Designed by snipers for snipers" as it says in webpage.
EDIT: Very likely full version will not be commercially available to public. Only LE/Mil customers.
Full version has some features they dont want to share.

IMO- its well worth trying for those who are using Lapua´s boolets. Thats why I thought to wrote about it in the first place.

 

[azimutha]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

Look, nothing against Lapua. I won't use any other brass. But given that you're in Finland and the software vendor is Finnish, these posts just look like thinly disguised marketing. Personally, I'd prefer if someone from Lapua would just say, "Hey, we're Lapua and here's a free app to use with our bullets." Nikon, etc. do that sort of thing all the time and there's nothing wrong with it, but just come straight out and say it.

Also, this "brings a smile in to my face":

"Very likely full version will not be commercially available to public. Only LE/Mil customers."

C'mon, the apps that anyone can get for the iPhone/Touch or Android have all one needs to calculate accurate trajectories.

 

[JL]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look, nothing against Lapua. I won't use any other brass. But given that you're in Finland and the software vendor is Finnish, these posts just look like thinly disguised marketing. Personally, I'd prefer if someone from Lapua would just say, "Hey, we're Lapua and here's a free app to use with our bullets." Nikon, etc. do that sort of thing all the time and there's nothing wrong with it, but just come straight out and say it.</div></div>
So you are saying that i use this forum for 'secret' marketing of Lapua products?
And therefore brake SH rules?
Let me tell you this: i dont get money from them.
I have to pay for my components too. And yes. I live in Finland allright.
With same logic- if you have good experiences about some new US- origin product
and you share it in here- You would be marketing as well. Think about it- if you find idea completely stupid, you share my feelings here. Surely I secretly helped to Lapua so they can make tons of money with their FREE product. I mean, come on. Really.

All I can say is loosen up your tinfoil hat pal. At least few clicks.

 

[azimutha]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

If, as you say, you are just some altruistic dude from Finland who happened to hear about this application and thought you'd share it with the whole world, more power to you. However, whether or not a company stands to directly profit from a product, it still is something used to promote that company and its products - exclusively in this case since no other bullets or custom data are allowed. And to me it sounded like an employee or representative posing as a person with no connection to the company.

I will say this (as I adjust my foil hat, which is aluminum by the way) that it can't hurt to have it if one uses Lapua bullets, but it's just as well to spend $10 and have a versatile calculator that works with any bullet.

 

[otterdriver]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

JL gives the shooting community the 'heads up' on upcoming free software from Lapua - that he was involved in beta testing and is advertised at lapua.com - and he receives friction in the responses here?

If he is breaking the forum rules then disregard the rest of my reply.

How is Lapua limiting their ballistics to their bullets any different than bullet and powder manufacturers publishing free reloading data for only their products? Hodgdon, Viht, IMR, AA, Nosler and others are all online. I don't hear Lee crying foul.

I applaud Lapua for the move. I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers eventually follow suit. That would be a win for the shooting community at any price, let alone free.

Thanks JL.

 

[JL]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

Seems to be out now:
http://www.lapua.com/en/customer-center/lapua-ballistics/lapua-ballistics-software.html

 

[Chiller]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

<span style="font-weight: bold">"NOTE
The program needs mobile phone with Java ME support. Apple iPhone and Android platforms not supported"</span>
Apple and Android not supported...???...???

wow....kinda forgot a HUGE population there......

 

[MSa]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">"NOTE
The program needs mobile phone with Java ME support. Apple iPhone and Android platforms not supported"</span>
Apple and Android not supported...???...???

wow....kinda forgot a HUGE population there...... </div></div>

It is not a big trick to program a great ballistic program (like Shooter) for advanced smartphone platform like Symbian, Android or iPhone. But knowing JavaME and how limited asset and programmin functionality it offers for the programmer for creating ballistic formulas and algorithms, must say that it is an achievement.

BTW, some 3 billion JavaME gadgets manufactured worldwide, about 70 million (?) iPhones. Kind of understands why start from JavaME?

 

[Timo Turl]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

Can it work on a PC at least ?

 

[MSa]

Re: Free mobile ballistics from Lapua

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJ.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can it work on a PC at least ? </div></div>

For PC use, Lapua offers a free version of Quick Target Unlimited (QTU), of course limited to Lapua bullets.

http://www.lapua.com/en/customer-center/lapua-ballistics/download-lapua-edition.html QTU Lapua Edition

I regard QTU being as one of the best exterior ballistic PC programs availabe for civilians. When crackin numbers, QTU and JBM are my benchmarks.

Reading the leaflet on Lapua Ballistics, they say that Lapua Ballistics is meant for field use with mobile and QTU is for accurate/comparison desktop work with PC. Accuracy of Lapua Ballistics is well in place in comparison to QTU and JBM using Cd data for lapua bullets.