FRT's - What is good? And what is Rare Breeds real website?

[Green461]

Have a Dairyland trigger headed my way too, sounds like H2 or H3 buffers are ideal. Just thinking about the operation it seems like a slightly overgassed setup may be best?

Curious what your setup is?

Before you put it in, clean the set screw and threads off with alcohol and loctite them, then run the screw in flush. Read that remedy on several other boards so I did it to mine and it worked perfect first time out. It has an H2 buffer, also a Law folder.... which that adapter plunger probably adds some weight to.

 

[Hijeffrey95]

Does any three position safety selector work with the Dairyland FRT?

 

[Steel Blue Valiant Panther]

Just found this thread after ordering the frt 15l3 from https://rarebreedtriggerfrt.us.com/

Now I am not sure what I'm supposed to do, I really hope they deliver.

I been researching the FRT triggers tonight, seeing they are legal again. I see there is a "super safety".... but I dont want anything plastic and I am not interested in a push/pull safety option. kicking around the idea of buying an FRT but has to be 3 position, safe, normal firing, and then forced reset. Who makes the best solid one with nice trigger pull and reliable?
Researching i found Rare Breed..... but I found several websites for Rare Breed... and posts on redit saying some are fake scammers.
Anyone know which one is real? Cant find them on facebook either.

I think this one may be real - .rarebreedtriggerus.com

Then there is this - rarebreedtrigger.org

and this - rarebreedtriggers.com

and - rarebreedtriggersco.com

and - rarebreedtriggerfrt.com

Just found this thread after ordering the frt 15l3 from https://rarebreedtriggerfrt.us.com/

Now I am not sure what I'm supposed to do, I really hope they deliver.

 

[427Cobra]

The drop in FRT are a rip off compared to a Super Safety, i have 3 SS rifles, HK SP5, dedicated 22lr AR, and a regular AR, minus the Lee Sporting Lower for the HK, i have spent less money than a single Rarebreed/Delta.

 

[NHPiper]

Have a Dairyland trigger headed my way too, sounds like H2 or H3 buffers are ideal. Just thinking about the operation it seems like a slightly overgassed setup may be best?

Curious what your setup is?

Not sure if I ever replied.

I'm running mine in an MCX Virtus 300Blk with the 6.75" barrel

I ran a few rounds in an AR, less than a mag. I noticed that with both setups of I grip really hard on the trigger the bolt carrier can lock up until I release it. Maybe the nature of the beast.

I have had super safeties I thought were tuned actually lock a BCG back requiring tools to disassemble the upper. I won't ever trust them fully.

 

[Gtscotty]

The drop in FRT are a rip off compared to a Super Safety, i have 3 SS rifles, HK SP5, dedicated 22lr AR, and a regular AR, minus the Lee Sporting Lower for the HK, i have spent less money than a single Rarebreed/Delta.

Rarebreed seems to be doing their best to limit people's ability to get those affordable Super Safety's, saw a post on Reddit the other day where they were now suing a few more of the SS makers, to include DNT...

 

[rlsmith1]

Rarebreed seems to be doing their best to limit people's ability to get those affordable Super Safety's, saw a post on Reddit the other day where they were now suing a few more of the SS makers, to include DNT...

I understand going after people for patent infringements but to go after other devices that do a similar function with a different design is poor form and shouldn't stand up in the courts

 

[Gtscotty]

I understand going after people for patent infringements but to go after other devices that do a similar function with a different design is poor form and shouldn't stand up in the courts

It should get struck down in the courts, but that totally depends on these small shops that are producing an open source design, being able to put the money and energy into fighting RB to resolution on the courts. If RB can out spend them in court or intimidate them into giving in without a fight that tests their patent, that's all they really have to do, and is certainly the plan.

 

[hlee]

I understand going after people for patent infringements but to go after other devices that do a similar function with a different design is poor form and shouldn't stand up in the courts

It should get struck down in the courts, but that totally depends on these small shops that are producing an open source design, being able to put the money and energy into fighting RB to resolution on the courts. If RB can out spend them in court or intimidate them into giving in without a fight that tests their patent, that's all they really have to do, and is certainly the plan.

It all depends on the claims in the patent. When a patent application is filed, the claims typically start very broad and pair down to a minimum set of criteria required for viability. If the broad claims get through the patent reviewers (generally they do not) all the better for the applicant.

In this case, the claims might read as such (this is parody, but not by much)…

1. All “triggers.”
2. Any device that, by any means, actuates the operation of any device.
3. The claims of claim 2, specifically designed to actuate any device that propels any projectile.
4. The claims of claim 3, specifically designed to actuate any device that uses any propellant to propel any projectile.
5. The claims of claim 4, specifically designed for a man portable device.
6. The claims of claim 5, specifically designed for a firearm.
7. The claims of claim 6, specifically designed for a rifle.
8. The claims of claim 7, whereby the “trigger” uses the energy generated from the firing of the rifle to trip the trigger reset, allowing for more rapid fire of the rifle.
9. Etcetera…

Claim 1 is so broad that it includes calling someone a douche-nozzle on the internet.
Claim 3 includes any device that fires cannons, bows, naval guns, torpedo tubes, etc.
Claim 5 includes rifles, shotguns, pistols, bows, muzzleloaders, crossbows, wrist rockets, super soakers, etc
Claim 8 is the first claim of my patent parody that has started to hone in on the actual goals of the patent app. But, it would include all trigger designs that “automatically” trip a trigger reset.

I haven’t seen Rare Breed’s patent(s) so the above is purely edutainment. But, it does illustrate the point that the US patent system is “arcane.” And, it is not that uncommon for the legal (patent enforcement) department of a company to be the most lucrative portion of a business.

I’m not a lawyer, but I am listed as author on a few patents, so I’ve seen the system operate.

 

[rlsmith1]

Well everything hot here a couple days ago and so far my 12.5” mid length suppressed upper shoots really well. No jams but fire rate is higher than I’d like (~900rpm if I had to guess based on videos). H2 buffer now but may try H3 soon. Hope to try a 14.5” upper tomorrow and a 16” down the road

 

[Ape_Factory]

I run the DTT which I had to purchase through Rare Breed due to the seizure of DTT's inventory. I'm currently using it in an Sig Spear LT 300 blackout which requires a trip bar to function. Don't get the Midnight Machine or PMM bar. Get the Frankenstein Armory bar. FAR better. https://frankensteinarmory.com/

But the DTT definitely runs. Ran a few different supers, two different subs, and it was just ridiculous. Went to an indoor range for first use and I think everyone stopped shooting the first time I let loose. Thirty round mags go quick and I was grinning uncontrollably from ear to ear. Ammo prices are going to skyrocket and I'm now looking at automating my Dillon progressive to speed it up, LOL.

The overall trigger feel sucks. Pretty much the worst I've ever experienced. I went from a Geissele SSA to the DTT which has as much travel as a two stage and no wall. It's the textbook definition of nebulous. With that said I adapted pretty quickly and had no problem firing one, two or three rounds in FRT mode.

I'll likely try out the Atrius Super Selecktor next in one of my other gas guns (won't work in Sig) and I heard they're working on a version that'll work with something like a Geissele assuming Rare Breed doesn't f*ck it all up.

https://atrius.dev/atrius-super-selector/

 

[rlsmith1]

I run the DTT which I had to purchase through Rare Breed due to the seizure of DTT's inventory. I'm currently using it in an Sig Spear LT 300 blackout which requires a trip bar to function. Don't get the Midnight Machine or PMM bar. Get the Frankenstein Armory bar. FAR better. https://frankensteinarmory.com/

But the DTT definitely runs. Ran a few different supers, two different subs, and it was just ridiculous. Went to an indoor range for first use and I think everyone stopped shooting the first time I let loose. Thirty round mags go quick and I was grinning uncontrollably from ear to ear. Ammo prices are going to skyrocket and I'm now looking at automating my Dillon progressive to speed it up, LOL.

The overall trigger feel sucks. Pretty much the worst I've ever experienced. I went from a Geissele SSA to the DTT which has as much travel as a two stage and no wall. It's the textbook definition of nebulous. With that said I adapted pretty quickly and had no problem firing one, two or three rounds in FRT mode.

I'll likely try out the Atrius Super Selecktor next in one of my other gas guns (won't work in Sig) and I heard they're working on a version that'll work with something like a Geissele assuming Rare Breed doesn't f*ck it all up.

https://atrius.dev/atrius-super-selector/

I would agree on the above. Was surprised how hard the FRT trigger pull was big not unbearable. Not like precision is needed with Frt haha. Have my eye on the super selektor too and hope to get an in stock notification at some point.

The rare breed design at least works in more platforms from what I’ve seen

 

[Ape_Factory]

This is an interesting video and it confirms that I may try, at least once, to use one of these in my POF Revolution DI since it takes mil-spec AR15 triggers. I didn't know most of the triggers mentioned midway through even existed TBH and not sure where they all sit legally these days.

I was reading up on the Arizona Triggers FRT and I may try itl since I have a few Geissele SSA's and it looks like it should work with an SSA-E as well. Website is horrible and the whole schtick reminds me of Randy Quaid in Independence Day but whatever...

 

[Green461]

I also ordered a Super Selektor from Performance Triggers on May 19th, said it was supposed to be in on the 30th to be shipped out. It never happened. I emailed them on 6/5 and they replied with -
"The product was due to arrive to us on the 30th. It does look like it has been a bit delayed and we are hoping for an arrival this week. We will begin shipping as soon as we receive them. If your order makes it in this batch, you will receive an email with tracking."

I am guessing these are the Atrius brand ones? Anyone else order one from them? delayed? Hope its a legit place. My research at the time deemed it ok. Hopefully they are just that backlogged. I imagine they sold a lot.

 

[rlsmith1]

I also ordered a Super Selektor from Performance Triggers on May 19th, said it was supposed to be in on the 30th to be shipped out. It never happened. I emailed them on 6/5 and they replied with -
"The product was due to arrive to us on the 30th. It does look like it has been a bit delayed and we are hoping for an arrival this week. We will begin shipping as soon as we receive them. If your order makes it in this batch, you will receive an email with tracking."

I am guessing these are the Atrius brand ones? Anyone else order one from them? delayed? Hope its a legit place. My research at the time deemed it ok. Hopefully they are just that backlogged. I imagine they sold a lot.

I've not ordered one but am on their waitlist. I really like that design the best out of all of them so hopeful you have a good experience. I saw a couple youtube videos on them so they are out there somewhere!

 

[rlsmith1]

Ok, I'm to the troubleshooting stage...

12.5" mid length suppressed runs great (would guess 900 rpm based on what I've measured, could go H3 buffer probably)

14.5" mid length suppressed runs good, easier to choke up

16" mid length suppressed (smaller gas port size) will not run FRT but it will lock back on an empty mag

Called Dairyland and he said to turn the set screw in a quarter turn which I did and still issue in FRT.

Do I need more gas with the 16"? It's fairly lightly gassed from what I've seen