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Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
From the Army Sniper Assn.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The event is limited to 35 teams (70 snipers) not including unit coaches, commanders and <span style="font-weight: bold">spectators</span>.</div></div>
The dates they list is:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The International Sniper Competition takes place from November 2-6, 2012</div></div>
From the Army Sniper Assn.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The event is limited to 35 teams (70 snipers) not including unit coaches, commanders and <span style="font-weight: bold">spectators</span>.</div></div>
The dates they list is:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The International Sniper Competition takes place from November 2-6, 2012</div></div>
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
I would call Ft Benning... As popular as the TOP SNIPER TV show is they might get 2000 people (civilians) show up to watch... I doubt they want a bunch of folks not affiliated with the competitors getting in the road!
I would call Ft Benning... As popular as the TOP SNIPER TV show is they might get 2000 people (civilians) show up to watch... I doubt they want a bunch of folks not affiliated with the competitors getting in the road!
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
I an planning to go, but it's on my drill weekend, so I'll just see the last day and a half.
I an planning to go, but it's on my drill weekend, so I'll just see the last day and a half.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
Anyone competing?
Our team will be their. Were excited to compete this year.
Anyone competing?
Our team will be their. Were excited to compete this year.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
Our team will be there. Very excited!
Our team will be there. Very excited!
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
Big time win for Tyler and Daniel! Congratulations guys on yalls 1st place finish.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/...8004&rank=1
Big time win for Tyler and Daniel! Congratulations guys on yalls 1st place finish.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/...8004&rank=1
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
<span style="font-weight: bold">USAMU duo wins 2012 International Sniper Competition</span>
November 7, 2012
By Michael Molinaro, U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #3333FF">FORT BENNING, Ga. (Nov. 7, 2012) -- A team from the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit is the best sniper duo in the world.</span></span>
Staff Sgt. Daniel Horner and Spc. Tyler Payne outlasted 35 other teams from around the globe to win the 2012 International Sniper Competition. The field included entries from Ireland, United Arab Emirates, Germany, Denmark, Army Special Forces, the Air Force, Marine Corps and Army National Guard. There were state police tandems from Las Vegas, Chicago and Florida.
"It feels awesome to win," Horner said. "I've wanted to compete in this event my whole life. We didn't have a slot to compete in the last few years so when we got in this year we trained hard the past few weeks to get prepared."
The competition is hosted by the U.S. Army Sniper School, whose mission is to hone warrior skills, exhibit the Warrior Ethos, determine the world's best snipers, and further the warrior mindset across the Army. The Sniper School develops Warriors who are part of the Strategic Squad and are able to dominate while conducting wide area security and combined arms maneuver.
Top shooters from across the globe travel each year to Fort Benning to compete in the annual competition. The two-man teams competed in 14 events including a sniper stalk, urban shooting and orienteering exercises, firing under stressful conditions and other tests of marksmanship and sniper skills. The 72-hour event runs virtually non-stop, with only two four-hour rest breaks in the three days of competition.
"This was a challenging event," Payne said. "There were some real challenges out there. Many of the events had tight time constraints. Finding the targets was tough, especially at night."
Despite having seven shooting teams and a custom firearms shop within the ranks of the USAMU, the unit doesn't have a sniper team nor teach sniper skills at any of the marksmanship training courses. Horner is a five-time and current United States Practical Shooting Association Multi-Gun national champion and Payne was a finalist at last year's 3-Gun Nation championship.
As members of the action shooting team, the Soldiers must have the ability to shoot rapidly and accurately with a handgun, rifle and/or shotgun, skills they were able to adapt and use for the sniper competition.
"Time management was a big factor in the outcome," Horner said. "We are really good at getting a lot accomplished really quickly. There was no way you could physically get everything done in the time allotted so it was who completed the most in the time they had."
"In an event like this if you only know the fundamentals then you will get run over," he continued. "The fundamentals are the foundation of any good marksman, but here you had to know how to read wind, calculate mover speed, shoot alternate positions, and be able to physically complete the events, such as the 4.5 mile run with all of your gear."
In between events competitors had time to get to know each other and most importantly share techniques, Payne said. For example, he learned from other shooters how they shoot using the other gun for support if they don't have a tripod or bipod.
While the thrill of winning such a prestigious event makes it that much better, the experience in itself made both Soldiers better shooters and they hope to defend their title next year.
"I am ecstatic about this win," Payne said. "We have wanted to shoot this for a long time so to win it in our first year feels amazing. I really hope we get to come back next year and defend our title. I learned a lot from the other guys. It was a lot of fun."
<span style="font-weight: bold">USAMU duo wins 2012 International Sniper Competition</span>
November 7, 2012
By Michael Molinaro, U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #3333FF">FORT BENNING, Ga. (Nov. 7, 2012) -- A team from the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit is the best sniper duo in the world.</span></span>
Staff Sgt. Daniel Horner and Spc. Tyler Payne outlasted 35 other teams from around the globe to win the 2012 International Sniper Competition. The field included entries from Ireland, United Arab Emirates, Germany, Denmark, Army Special Forces, the Air Force, Marine Corps and Army National Guard. There were state police tandems from Las Vegas, Chicago and Florida.
"It feels awesome to win," Horner said. "I've wanted to compete in this event my whole life. We didn't have a slot to compete in the last few years so when we got in this year we trained hard the past few weeks to get prepared."
The competition is hosted by the U.S. Army Sniper School, whose mission is to hone warrior skills, exhibit the Warrior Ethos, determine the world's best snipers, and further the warrior mindset across the Army. The Sniper School develops Warriors who are part of the Strategic Squad and are able to dominate while conducting wide area security and combined arms maneuver.
Top shooters from across the globe travel each year to Fort Benning to compete in the annual competition. The two-man teams competed in 14 events including a sniper stalk, urban shooting and orienteering exercises, firing under stressful conditions and other tests of marksmanship and sniper skills. The 72-hour event runs virtually non-stop, with only two four-hour rest breaks in the three days of competition.
"This was a challenging event," Payne said. "There were some real challenges out there. Many of the events had tight time constraints. Finding the targets was tough, especially at night."
Despite having seven shooting teams and a custom firearms shop within the ranks of the USAMU, the unit doesn't have a sniper team nor teach sniper skills at any of the marksmanship training courses. Horner is a five-time and current United States Practical Shooting Association Multi-Gun national champion and Payne was a finalist at last year's 3-Gun Nation championship.
As members of the action shooting team, the Soldiers must have the ability to shoot rapidly and accurately with a handgun, rifle and/or shotgun, skills they were able to adapt and use for the sniper competition.
"Time management was a big factor in the outcome," Horner said. "We are really good at getting a lot accomplished really quickly. There was no way you could physically get everything done in the time allotted so it was who completed the most in the time they had."
"In an event like this if you only know the fundamentals then you will get run over," he continued. "The fundamentals are the foundation of any good marksman, but here you had to know how to read wind, calculate mover speed, shoot alternate positions, and be able to physically complete the events, such as the 4.5 mile run with all of your gear."
In between events competitors had time to get to know each other and most importantly share techniques, Payne said. For example, he learned from other shooters how they shoot using the other gun for support if they don't have a tripod or bipod.
While the thrill of winning such a prestigious event makes it that much better, the experience in itself made both Soldiers better shooters and they hope to defend their title next year.
"I am ecstatic about this win," Payne said. "We have wanted to shoot this for a long time so to win it in our first year feels amazing. I really hope we get to come back next year and defend our title. I learned a lot from the other guys. It was a lot of fun."
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
(FORT BENNING, Ga.) Col. Michael W. Rauhut, Commander of the 197th Infantry Brigade, awards the Army Commendation Medal to Staff Sgt. Daniel Horner and Spc. Tyler Payne, for their first place finish in the 2012 International Sniper Competition, Wednesday, November 7, 2012 at the National Infantry Museum. Horner and Payne are assigned to the U. S. Army Marksmanship Unit at Fort Benning, GA. (Photos by: Ashley Cross/MCoE PAO Photographer)
(FORT BENNING, Ga.) Col. Michael W. Rauhut, Commander of the 197th Infantry Brigade, awards the Army Commendation Medal to Staff Sgt. Daniel Horner and Spc. Tyler Payne, for their first place finish in the 2012 International Sniper Competition, Wednesday, November 7, 2012 at the National Infantry Museum. Horner and Payne are assigned to the U. S. Army Marksmanship Unit at Fort Benning, GA. (Photos by: Ashley Cross/MCoE PAO Photographer)
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
<span style="font-weight: bold">Top snipers compete on Fort Benning</span>
November 7, 2012
By Cheryl Rodewig, www.army.mil
Staff Sgt. Mathew Fox, 3rd Armored Brigade Combat Team, waits to engage a target, Nov. 3, 2012, during the 12th annual International Sniper Competition, at Fort Benning, Ga.
FORT BENNING, Ga. (Nov. 7, 2012) -- The world's premier snipers converged on Fort Benning Friday through Monday for the 12th annual International Sniper Competition.
The 36 two-man teams represented the active Army, Air Force, Army National Guard, Army Reserve, the Los Angeles and Chicago police departments, and military units from the United Kingdom, Ireland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and the United Arab Emirates.
"It's just a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity," said Sgt. Taylor Hutchins with the 101st Airborne Division from Fort Campbell, Ky. "You get to work with all these other foreign militaries. You get to learn from them. It's humbling. There's so many great shooters here that you just come out to do your best. It's a great learning experience as well as a competition."
Sgt. 1st Class Adam James, an instructor with the Sniper School, which hosted the competition, said learning is what it all came down to.
"At the end of the day, it's a big training event," he said. "You've got 36 of arguably the best sniper teams in the world right here -- from all over the country and different services, conventional and Special Forces, cops, Air Force, you name it. And it brings all these skill sets, all this huge knowledge base and experience together, and what a better way to get different snipers from different communities working together, training from each other, learning from instructors, learning from events, and ultimately taking stuff back and just continually improving."
The competition closed with a summit Tuesday, where each team was invited to share feedback on the event and lessons learned.
James said it was great to have so many teams compete with such a positive attitude -- motivated not just to win but also to share tactics and techniques with the sniper community.
Individual events during the competition tested the snipers' skills in marksmanship, target detection and identification, stalking and physical fitness.
"Each year we try and make the events more and more challenging because we know that every year there's new technology, new tactics, and so the snipers that are coming here every single year are better than the previous year," James said. "The events are designed to push the limits and exploit any holes they may have in their skill sets. And there's nothing wrong with identifying any shortcomings in your training because all it does is make you better."
Sgt. Josh Cavalier, a third-time competitor in the International Sniper Competition, can attest to the quality of the training received while competing.
"You can't do this anywhere else," said the Georgia National Guardsman. "The stalk lane that takes up this much of Fort Benning is not typical. The scenarios we get presented out here are almost impossible to recreate in a regular training environment. The training you get while you're here working with other units I would otherwise never even see it's definitely a unique setup."
As an instructor on Fort Benning teaching Air Assault and Pathfinder courses, Cavalier rarely gets the chance to work on his sniper techniques. The competition helps develop the skill set he uses when deployed, he said.
"I haven't picked up a sniper rifle since last year," said Cavalier, who competed in 2008, just three weeks after being certified, and again in 2011. "The last time I put this ghillie suit on was last year. So to get to come back into this community and see what the guys are doing on a daily basis, it helps us out a lot."
"The way we shoot at school and the way we generally train is a relatively high level of precision, but when we come out here it's a whole different level of shooting farther away at smaller targets. We don't train to shoot one-inch targets. We train to shoot people-sized silhouettes. You shoot to a much tighter standard here."
The one-inch target Cavalier referred to was featured during an event Saturday called rapid precision fire. It was a timed exercise where snipers had to hit a one-inch square at 200 meters as many times as possible.
Other events included a night fire, live-fire stalk, foot march, combat outpost defense, positive identification of moving targets, pistol shoot, stress fire, one-shot event and urban target memorization. Some were realistic, reflecting tasks the military units might perform in combat.
The combat outpost defense simulated a sniper team defending a forward operating base, James said. The positive identification targets represented both enemy combatants and civilians in an environment that included buildings, vehicles and other obstacles. Urban target memorization built on that idea in a more complex environment.
"They'll see the targets before they start the event, so they have to memorize which targets they're supposed to shoot, and there are also no-shoot targets out there -- all kind of different faces," James said. "They have to move through the building, different positions, windows, doors, even on the roof. Certain targets can be seen from select positions. Target one can only be seen from the top left window in the second story. So they have to constantly keep moving throughout the building scanning the whole lane and finding these tiny little loopholes and identifying targets."
Most events had applications for both military and civilian competitors. The stress fire required sniper teams to shoot from a range of "uncomfortable" firing positions," James said. "They have to be quick and they're constantly manipulating their weapon system and that induces stress."
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #3333FF">The winners of this year's competition are Staff Sgt. Daniel Horner and Spc. Tyler Payne with the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit.</span></span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Top snipers compete on Fort Benning</span>
November 7, 2012
By Cheryl Rodewig, www.army.mil
Staff Sgt. Mathew Fox, 3rd Armored Brigade Combat Team, waits to engage a target, Nov. 3, 2012, during the 12th annual International Sniper Competition, at Fort Benning, Ga.
FORT BENNING, Ga. (Nov. 7, 2012) -- The world's premier snipers converged on Fort Benning Friday through Monday for the 12th annual International Sniper Competition.
The 36 two-man teams represented the active Army, Air Force, Army National Guard, Army Reserve, the Los Angeles and Chicago police departments, and military units from the United Kingdom, Ireland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and the United Arab Emirates.
"It's just a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity," said Sgt. Taylor Hutchins with the 101st Airborne Division from Fort Campbell, Ky. "You get to work with all these other foreign militaries. You get to learn from them. It's humbling. There's so many great shooters here that you just come out to do your best. It's a great learning experience as well as a competition."
Sgt. 1st Class Adam James, an instructor with the Sniper School, which hosted the competition, said learning is what it all came down to.
"At the end of the day, it's a big training event," he said. "You've got 36 of arguably the best sniper teams in the world right here -- from all over the country and different services, conventional and Special Forces, cops, Air Force, you name it. And it brings all these skill sets, all this huge knowledge base and experience together, and what a better way to get different snipers from different communities working together, training from each other, learning from instructors, learning from events, and ultimately taking stuff back and just continually improving."
The competition closed with a summit Tuesday, where each team was invited to share feedback on the event and lessons learned.
James said it was great to have so many teams compete with such a positive attitude -- motivated not just to win but also to share tactics and techniques with the sniper community.
Individual events during the competition tested the snipers' skills in marksmanship, target detection and identification, stalking and physical fitness.
"Each year we try and make the events more and more challenging because we know that every year there's new technology, new tactics, and so the snipers that are coming here every single year are better than the previous year," James said. "The events are designed to push the limits and exploit any holes they may have in their skill sets. And there's nothing wrong with identifying any shortcomings in your training because all it does is make you better."
Sgt. Josh Cavalier, a third-time competitor in the International Sniper Competition, can attest to the quality of the training received while competing.
"You can't do this anywhere else," said the Georgia National Guardsman. "The stalk lane that takes up this much of Fort Benning is not typical. The scenarios we get presented out here are almost impossible to recreate in a regular training environment. The training you get while you're here working with other units I would otherwise never even see it's definitely a unique setup."
As an instructor on Fort Benning teaching Air Assault and Pathfinder courses, Cavalier rarely gets the chance to work on his sniper techniques. The competition helps develop the skill set he uses when deployed, he said.
"I haven't picked up a sniper rifle since last year," said Cavalier, who competed in 2008, just three weeks after being certified, and again in 2011. "The last time I put this ghillie suit on was last year. So to get to come back into this community and see what the guys are doing on a daily basis, it helps us out a lot."
"The way we shoot at school and the way we generally train is a relatively high level of precision, but when we come out here it's a whole different level of shooting farther away at smaller targets. We don't train to shoot one-inch targets. We train to shoot people-sized silhouettes. You shoot to a much tighter standard here."
The one-inch target Cavalier referred to was featured during an event Saturday called rapid precision fire. It was a timed exercise where snipers had to hit a one-inch square at 200 meters as many times as possible.
Other events included a night fire, live-fire stalk, foot march, combat outpost defense, positive identification of moving targets, pistol shoot, stress fire, one-shot event and urban target memorization. Some were realistic, reflecting tasks the military units might perform in combat.
The combat outpost defense simulated a sniper team defending a forward operating base, James said. The positive identification targets represented both enemy combatants and civilians in an environment that included buildings, vehicles and other obstacles. Urban target memorization built on that idea in a more complex environment.
"They'll see the targets before they start the event, so they have to memorize which targets they're supposed to shoot, and there are also no-shoot targets out there -- all kind of different faces," James said. "They have to move through the building, different positions, windows, doors, even on the roof. Certain targets can be seen from select positions. Target one can only be seen from the top left window in the second story. So they have to constantly keep moving throughout the building scanning the whole lane and finding these tiny little loopholes and identifying targets."
Most events had applications for both military and civilian competitors. The stress fire required sniper teams to shoot from a range of "uncomfortable" firing positions," James said. "They have to be quick and they're constantly manipulating their weapon system and that induces stress."
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #3333FF">The winners of this year's competition are Staff Sgt. Daniel Horner and Spc. Tyler Payne with the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit.</span></span>
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
International Sniper Competition results
ARMY TIMES Staff report
Posted : Thursday Nov 8, 2012 14:39:42 EST
Army teams from Fort Benning, Ga., and Fort Bragg, N.C., won first place during the 2012 U.S. Army International Sniper Competition and Symposium Nov. 2-7. The competition at Fort Benning featured 36 two-man sniper teams from around the world.
The winners, some of whom can't be identified because of the sensitive nature of their jobs, are:
SERVICE CLASS:
1st: A sniper team with Company D, 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Warfare Training Group, Fort Bragg.
2nd: Staff Sgt. Marty Holland and Staff Sgt. Kirby Odom, 2nd Battalion, 19th Infantry Regiment, 198th Infantry Brigade, Fort Benning.
3rd: Marine Staff Sgt. Francisco Diaz and Marine Staff Sgt. Christian O'Shea, U. S. Marine Corps Scout Sniper School.
OPEN CLASS:
1st: Staff Sgt. Daniel Horner and Spc. Tyler Payne, U. S. Army Marksmanship Unit, Fort Benning.
2nd: A sniper team from Ireland.
3rd: A sniper team from U. S. Army Special Operations Command.
This year's competitors represented the Army, Army National Guard, Army Reserve, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Pentagon Defense Police, state and local police departments, and the countries of the United Arab Emirates, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Germany, England and Ireland.
Air Force Staff Sgt. Monica Gonzales, of F.E. Warren Air Force Base, Wyo., was the only female sniper to compete this year. The Air Force team placed 11th. Also, a team from the United Arab Emirates participated for the first time in the competition's history. They came in 12th place.
The competition, hosted by the U.S. Army Sniper School, featured 14 events and took place on multiple ranges on post. The events were conducted continuously over a 72-hour period and included sniper stalk, urban shooting and orienteering exercises, firing under stressful conditions, and other tests of marksmanship and sniper skills.
International Sniper Competition results
ARMY TIMES Staff report
Posted : Thursday Nov 8, 2012 14:39:42 EST
Army teams from Fort Benning, Ga., and Fort Bragg, N.C., won first place during the 2012 U.S. Army International Sniper Competition and Symposium Nov. 2-7. The competition at Fort Benning featured 36 two-man sniper teams from around the world.
The winners, some of whom can't be identified because of the sensitive nature of their jobs, are:
SERVICE CLASS:
1st: A sniper team with Company D, 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Warfare Training Group, Fort Bragg.
2nd: Staff Sgt. Marty Holland and Staff Sgt. Kirby Odom, 2nd Battalion, 19th Infantry Regiment, 198th Infantry Brigade, Fort Benning.
3rd: Marine Staff Sgt. Francisco Diaz and Marine Staff Sgt. Christian O'Shea, U. S. Marine Corps Scout Sniper School.
OPEN CLASS:
1st: Staff Sgt. Daniel Horner and Spc. Tyler Payne, U. S. Army Marksmanship Unit, Fort Benning.
2nd: A sniper team from Ireland.
3rd: A sniper team from U. S. Army Special Operations Command.
This year's competitors represented the Army, Army National Guard, Army Reserve, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Pentagon Defense Police, state and local police departments, and the countries of the United Arab Emirates, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Germany, England and Ireland.
Air Force Staff Sgt. Monica Gonzales, of F.E. Warren Air Force Base, Wyo., was the only female sniper to compete this year. The Air Force team placed 11th. Also, a team from the United Arab Emirates participated for the first time in the competition's history. They came in 12th place.
The competition, hosted by the U.S. Army Sniper School, featured 14 events and took place on multiple ranges on post. The events were conducted continuously over a 72-hour period and included sniper stalk, urban shooting and orienteering exercises, firing under stressful conditions, and other tests of marksmanship and sniper skills.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
While not the Quality picture a Sinister's here is the rundown.
D CO 2/1 SWTG (A) Great job Guys! Couldn't have happened to nicer Guys
B2/3 Not a bad performance at all, good job!
While not the Quality picture a Sinister's here is the rundown.
D CO 2/1 SWTG (A) Great job Guys! Couldn't have happened to nicer Guys
B2/3 Not a bad performance at all, good job!
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
Good to hear that Horner and Payne won. Daniel has been winning BIG in the 3-gun circut and Tyler has also been making a mark in USPSA matches. As was posted both are on the USAMU action pistol team. Congras guys.
Good to hear that Horner and Payne won. Daniel has been winning BIG in the 3-gun circut and Tyler has also been making a mark in USPSA matches. As was posted both are on the USAMU action pistol team. Congras guys.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
I had the great opportunity to participate in an informal AAR in the bar of the Double Tree Inn with the winning service team. Much was learned.
I guess Tom was there as well Huh? Those 2 are pure Class, especially the Big one.
I had the great opportunity to participate in an informal AAR in the bar of the Double Tree Inn with the winning service team. Much was learned.
I guess Tom was there as well Huh? Those 2 are pure Class, especially the Big one.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
Dang it, I missed it again. Did anyone get to go spectate? I wanted to go for some photo ops...assuming they allow it at all.
Dang it, I missed it again. Did anyone get to go spectate? I wanted to go for some photo ops...assuming they allow it at all.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GO ARMY </div></div>
Beat Navy! From what i see they did not even show up. Well the marines were there but I'd start a flame war if I said they are in the navy (shhhhh.....they are).
Just kidding.
Congrats to all who did well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GO ARMY </div></div>
Beat Navy! From what i see they did not even show up. Well the marines were there but I'd start a flame war if I said they are in the navy (shhhhh.....they are).
Just kidding.
Congrats to all who did well.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
"<span style="font-weight: bold">The Shooting Wire, </span>November 21, 2012
<span style="font-weight: bold">JP Rifles Used by AMU Team Winners of 2012 International Sniper Competition</span>
Fort Benning, GA - Held at the home of the U.S. Army Sniper School, the 2012 International Sniper Competition earlier this month ended in an open class victory for the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit duo of Staff Sgt. Daniel Horner and Spc. Tyler Payne. JP Enterprises took particular note of Daniel Horner's sweep to victory using a JP LRP-07 as his spotter rifle.
An invitation-only event, this year's competition saw participation by 36 of the best two-man sniper teams from several branches of the U.S. armed forces, various state police teams and military specialists from around the world, including Ireland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and the United Arab Emirates. Some competitors could not even be identified in the match results due the sensitive nature of their service.
The 14-stage match was a nearly non-stop event that ran the gamut of sniper skill events, including a sniper stalk, urban shooting, orienteering, low-light shooting and stress fire exercises. Lasting 72 hours with only two four-hour rest breaks, the ISC was designed to test the shooters' limits and ability manage very limited time allotments as well as to exploit any deficiencies in their marksmanship fundamentals.
With the Army Marksmanship Unit lacking a dedicated sniper team and any specialized sniper training programs, Horner and Payne had to fall back on their action shooting skills to carry them through the competition. Both men are accomplished 3-Gun competitors, which is how Horner first crossed paths with JP Enterprises at the 2005 Rocky Mountain 3-Gun. Finishing high overall in the tactical optics division as a junior shooter before entering the service, Horner claimed a new JP CTR-02 rifle from the prize table and was hooked. Still accurate and active today, this rifle serves Horner to this day with a current round count over 30,000.
For the International Sniper Competition, Horner's kit was a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">22" JP LRP-07 chambered in .260,</span> </span>which has seen regular service as well. "In competitions like this, every facet of your skill set and your kit is put to the test," commented JP founder and avid shooter, John Paul. "The last thing you want is your own rifle holding you back." According to Horner, his LRP delivered ½ MOA accuracy past 700 yards with the loads developed for him by the AMU armorers-all the more reason for JP to be very pleased with the news of the AMU's prodigious performance.
JP Enterprises is an industry-leading manufacturer of high-quality and innovative gas-operated rifles and specialty components sold worldwide to competitive shooters, military, law enforcement and hunters. Their product line includes several unique machined-from-billet rifle models to suit everything from duty to recreational needs as well as proprietary trigger systems, operating system components, barrels, compensators, hand guards and other accessories.
For more information on JP Enterprises, visit their website at www.jprifles.com and keep up to date on the newest JP developments at www.facebook.com/JPRifles and http://twitter.com/#!/JPRifles.
Contact:
Jesse Gangl 651-426-9196 [email protected] "
"<span style="font-weight: bold">The Shooting Wire, </span>November 21, 2012
<span style="font-weight: bold">JP Rifles Used by AMU Team Winners of 2012 International Sniper Competition</span>
Fort Benning, GA - Held at the home of the U.S. Army Sniper School, the 2012 International Sniper Competition earlier this month ended in an open class victory for the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit duo of Staff Sgt. Daniel Horner and Spc. Tyler Payne. JP Enterprises took particular note of Daniel Horner's sweep to victory using a JP LRP-07 as his spotter rifle.
An invitation-only event, this year's competition saw participation by 36 of the best two-man sniper teams from several branches of the U.S. armed forces, various state police teams and military specialists from around the world, including Ireland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and the United Arab Emirates. Some competitors could not even be identified in the match results due the sensitive nature of their service.
The 14-stage match was a nearly non-stop event that ran the gamut of sniper skill events, including a sniper stalk, urban shooting, orienteering, low-light shooting and stress fire exercises. Lasting 72 hours with only two four-hour rest breaks, the ISC was designed to test the shooters' limits and ability manage very limited time allotments as well as to exploit any deficiencies in their marksmanship fundamentals.
With the Army Marksmanship Unit lacking a dedicated sniper team and any specialized sniper training programs, Horner and Payne had to fall back on their action shooting skills to carry them through the competition. Both men are accomplished 3-Gun competitors, which is how Horner first crossed paths with JP Enterprises at the 2005 Rocky Mountain 3-Gun. Finishing high overall in the tactical optics division as a junior shooter before entering the service, Horner claimed a new JP CTR-02 rifle from the prize table and was hooked. Still accurate and active today, this rifle serves Horner to this day with a current round count over 30,000.
For the International Sniper Competition, Horner's kit was a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">22" JP LRP-07 chambered in .260,</span> </span>which has seen regular service as well. "In competitions like this, every facet of your skill set and your kit is put to the test," commented JP founder and avid shooter, John Paul. "The last thing you want is your own rifle holding you back." According to Horner, his LRP delivered ½ MOA accuracy past 700 yards with the loads developed for him by the AMU armorers-all the more reason for JP to be very pleased with the news of the AMU's prodigious performance.
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Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
I wonder when the other branches are going to wake up and create something like the AMU.
When you have people who are paid only to shoot, practice, compete, and study all aspects of shooting and marksmanship, it's just impossible to compete against them if you have an actual job or other duties.
The Army is WAAAAY out front on this, and nobody is going to catch them without making the same investments.
--Fargo007
I wonder when the other branches are going to wake up and create something like the AMU.
When you have people who are paid only to shoot, practice, compete, and study all aspects of shooting and marksmanship, it's just impossible to compete against them if you have an actual job or other duties.
The Army is WAAAAY out front on this, and nobody is going to catch them without making the same investments.
--Fargo007
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
Fargo,
Most of the other teams competing are doing so for the main purpose of training. Competitions are a great way to test gear/sops/etc. Yea, good on AMU for winning....no surprise when you consider the amount of range time they have. But if I was able to attend the competition, I would do so in order to prepare myself for another combat deployment as a Sniper, rather than just another guy competing in a shooting competition. Its great that AMU has the time and money to invest in getting really good at competitions. The Marine Corps would have a very difficult time fielding a team from school trained scout snipers. Most want to go to combat and do their jobs, not compete in a sport. This is not a knock on AMU, I just think they have a different mind set then most competitors who actually will be using these skills in combat against enemy forces.
Fargo,
Most of the other teams competing are doing so for the main purpose of training. Competitions are a great way to test gear/sops/etc. Yea, good on AMU for winning....no surprise when you consider the amount of range time they have. But if I was able to attend the competition, I would do so in order to prepare myself for another combat deployment as a Sniper, rather than just another guy competing in a shooting competition. Its great that AMU has the time and money to invest in getting really good at competitions. The Marine Corps would have a very difficult time fielding a team from school trained scout snipers. Most want to go to combat and do their jobs, not compete in a sport. This is not a knock on AMU, I just think they have a different mind set then most competitors who actually will be using these skills in combat against enemy forces.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
Fargo-
Each service does have a marksmanship team for the purpose of competing in service rifle and other marksmanship competitions. It just so happens that they are much less successful and well known, but they do exist.
Fargo-
Each service does have a marksmanship team for the purpose of competing in service rifle and other marksmanship competitions. It just so happens that they are much less successful and well known, but they do exist.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
The comp this year was a lot better than last year. The events required a much higher level of shooter/spotter dialogue in order to be effective on the events. Hopefully next year they will bring back a little more run and gun for the stress fire portions though.
The comp this year was a lot better than last year. The events required a much higher level of shooter/spotter dialogue in order to be effective on the events. Hopefully next year they will bring back a little more run and gun for the stress fire portions though.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
I don't mean to get into a thread hijack.
MSG Jared Van Aalst, KIA Afghanistan, 4 AUG 10 -- former US Army Rifle Team Shooter/Instructor
Quite a few others did Iraq and Afghan TDY combat tours <span style="font-weight: bold">while assigned to the AMU but attached to someone else's task force,</span> with a few CIBs, CIB with star, CABs, and Bronze with V.
You might not see it and may not like the idea, but they're still Soldiers getting shot and blown up. They're assigned to a hollywood unit and have a different job for a few years.
FORT BENNING, Ga.--Sgt. 1st Class Jason Parker, U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit, instructs an Afghan National Army soldier on proper marksmanship techniques with an M16A2 rifle while deployed to Afghanistan. Parker, a three-time Olympian, and Soldiers from the USAMU have been deployed this year to establish a novel marksmanship instruction program for ANA soldiers.
Teaching, Iraq, 2004
<span style="font-weight: bold">"2010 USPSA Area 8 Championship</span>
September 8, 2010
For those of you not familiar with what we do, we compete in USPSA/IPSC. Practical shooting is one of the fastest growing shooting sports today, and probably relates to Army weapons training better than any other discipline.
Last week, members of the USAMU Action Shooting Team competed in the 2008 Area 8 Championship, myself included. It was a long weekend, but fortunately we were graced with good weather from start to finish. This match was stacked with top shooters! Several of which were former USAMU members.
It was a 10 stage match with over 200 rounds split over 2 days. The stages were very challenging and didn't allow much room for error. Some of the other top competitors completed the match in one day, so we were able to get an idea on how some of the stages were shot. With that said, it wasn't very helpful. The great thing about this sport is that it challenges the shooter not only in speed and accuracy, but also in having the ability to negotiate through a course of fire as efficient as possible.
<span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="color: red">This was my 2nd competition after returning from Afghanistan,</span> </span> and I was pleased with my performance. I had a good mental game throughout the match, and stayed rather consistent. A couple errors kept me from placing higher or even winning the event, but everyone was far from perfection. Above all, this match tested us on consistency and endurance.
The best part of this trip was the number of junior shooters present. Many of which attend our Junior Clinic in Fort Benning, GA. It looks like the shooting sports will continue to flourish after all. Til next time, Army Strong."
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Army rifle shooters on target at 50th Interservice Championship</span>
By Michael Molinaro, USAMU PAO
MARINE CORPS BASE QUANTICO, Va. — Soldiers from the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit’s Service Rifle platoon dominated their fellow servicemembers at the 50th Interservice Rifle Championships July 17-26, proving once again that the premier marksmen in the military serve in the Army.
Despite the determination of the other services to dethrone the defending champions, the Soldiers displayed their superior skills at the annual meeting of the military’s best rifle shooters, winning 18 out of 19 team and individual matches.
The USAMU won the coveted 10-man Interservice Rifle team championship match. Team shooters were Sgt. 1st Class Lance Dement, Sgt. 1st Class Grant Singley, Staff Sgt. Tyrel Cooper, Staff Sgt. Brandon Green, Staff Sgt. Joel Micholick, Staff Sgt. Daniel Peters, Sgt. Sherri Jo Gallagher, Spc. Kevin Trickett, Spc. Augustus Dunfey, and Spc. Amanda Elsenboss. Coaches were Sgt. 1st Class Emil Praslick and Staff Sgt. Walter Craig, while Staff Sgt. Scott Grant Staff and Sgt. Nathan Verbickas were team captains. Cooper was the high individual shooter during the match with a score of 496-21x.
USAMU teams swept all team matches, including the Marine Corps Combat Development Command Commanding General Match, the Infantry Trophy Team Match, and the Interservice 1,000 yard Team Match.
Two USAMU Soldiers stood out individually at the championship. Cooper won his first overall championship after posting the high aggregate score for individual matches. He won the Navy match, Army match, the 1,000 yard match rifle, and the match rifle individual long-range championship to go along with his overall championship. He also won the Lt. Col. C.A. Reynolds Memorial Trophy for high score in the 10-man team match.
“This means a lot to me,” Cooper said, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">who returned from an Afghanistan deployment in April.</span></span> “It’s my eighth year on the team and my first win. You’ve got a lot of guys here who have won it two or three times-- it’s not easy.
The longest standing record at the match was broken by Micholick. He set a new match record in the 1,000 yard long range match with a service rifle, and also eclipsed a record that been held since 1984 by scoring a new high in the long-range aggregate with the service rifle after scoring a 397-12x.
"Staff Sgt. Micholick did not simply break a record, he crushed the longest standing record in the history of the Interservice Rifle Championships, which stood for nearly thirty years and in perhaps the most difficult match - the 1000-yard long range - with a service weapon,” said Lt. Col. Daniel Hodne, commander, USAMU.
“I could not think of a more fitting time for one of our Soldiers to establish this new record than at the 50th iteration of this Interservice Rifle Championship."
The Excellence-in-Competition Match was won by Staff Sgt. Armando Ayala. Green, Verbickas, Trickett and Gallagher also won individual matches. Gallagher was crowned high woman shooter.
With the overall win, the USAMU swept all individual and team championships in Interservice competition for 2011, the second consecutive year they have done so.
The competition, which dates back to 1960, when the value of Interservice marksmanship competition was recognized in a Memorandum of Understanding by the chiefs of each service, highlights the professional capacity and versatility of military service members. The 50th anniversary of the rifle championship is a significant milestone in the history of competitive marksmanship.
Oh, and the girls deploy too:
I don't mean to get into a thread hijack.
MSG Jared Van Aalst, KIA Afghanistan, 4 AUG 10 -- former US Army Rifle Team Shooter/Instructor
Quite a few others did Iraq and Afghan TDY combat tours <span style="font-weight: bold">while assigned to the AMU but attached to someone else's task force,</span> with a few CIBs, CIB with star, CABs, and Bronze with V.
You might not see it and may not like the idea, but they're still Soldiers getting shot and blown up. They're assigned to a hollywood unit and have a different job for a few years.
FORT BENNING, Ga.--Sgt. 1st Class Jason Parker, U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit, instructs an Afghan National Army soldier on proper marksmanship techniques with an M16A2 rifle while deployed to Afghanistan. Parker, a three-time Olympian, and Soldiers from the USAMU have been deployed this year to establish a novel marksmanship instruction program for ANA soldiers.
Teaching, Iraq, 2004
<span style="font-weight: bold">"2010 USPSA Area 8 Championship</span>
September 8, 2010
For those of you not familiar with what we do, we compete in USPSA/IPSC. Practical shooting is one of the fastest growing shooting sports today, and probably relates to Army weapons training better than any other discipline.
Last week, members of the USAMU Action Shooting Team competed in the 2008 Area 8 Championship, myself included. It was a long weekend, but fortunately we were graced with good weather from start to finish. This match was stacked with top shooters! Several of which were former USAMU members.
It was a 10 stage match with over 200 rounds split over 2 days. The stages were very challenging and didn't allow much room for error. Some of the other top competitors completed the match in one day, so we were able to get an idea on how some of the stages were shot. With that said, it wasn't very helpful. The great thing about this sport is that it challenges the shooter not only in speed and accuracy, but also in having the ability to negotiate through a course of fire as efficient as possible.
<span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="color: red">This was my 2nd competition after returning from Afghanistan,</span> </span> and I was pleased with my performance. I had a good mental game throughout the match, and stayed rather consistent. A couple errors kept me from placing higher or even winning the event, but everyone was far from perfection. Above all, this match tested us on consistency and endurance.
The best part of this trip was the number of junior shooters present. Many of which attend our Junior Clinic in Fort Benning, GA. It looks like the shooting sports will continue to flourish after all. Til next time, Army Strong."
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Army rifle shooters on target at 50th Interservice Championship</span>
By Michael Molinaro, USAMU PAO
MARINE CORPS BASE QUANTICO, Va. — Soldiers from the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit’s Service Rifle platoon dominated their fellow servicemembers at the 50th Interservice Rifle Championships July 17-26, proving once again that the premier marksmen in the military serve in the Army.
Despite the determination of the other services to dethrone the defending champions, the Soldiers displayed their superior skills at the annual meeting of the military’s best rifle shooters, winning 18 out of 19 team and individual matches.
The USAMU won the coveted 10-man Interservice Rifle team championship match. Team shooters were Sgt. 1st Class Lance Dement, Sgt. 1st Class Grant Singley, Staff Sgt. Tyrel Cooper, Staff Sgt. Brandon Green, Staff Sgt. Joel Micholick, Staff Sgt. Daniel Peters, Sgt. Sherri Jo Gallagher, Spc. Kevin Trickett, Spc. Augustus Dunfey, and Spc. Amanda Elsenboss. Coaches were Sgt. 1st Class Emil Praslick and Staff Sgt. Walter Craig, while Staff Sgt. Scott Grant Staff and Sgt. Nathan Verbickas were team captains. Cooper was the high individual shooter during the match with a score of 496-21x.
USAMU teams swept all team matches, including the Marine Corps Combat Development Command Commanding General Match, the Infantry Trophy Team Match, and the Interservice 1,000 yard Team Match.
Two USAMU Soldiers stood out individually at the championship. Cooper won his first overall championship after posting the high aggregate score for individual matches. He won the Navy match, Army match, the 1,000 yard match rifle, and the match rifle individual long-range championship to go along with his overall championship. He also won the Lt. Col. C.A. Reynolds Memorial Trophy for high score in the 10-man team match.
“This means a lot to me,” Cooper said, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">who returned from an Afghanistan deployment in April.</span></span> “It’s my eighth year on the team and my first win. You’ve got a lot of guys here who have won it two or three times-- it’s not easy.
The longest standing record at the match was broken by Micholick. He set a new match record in the 1,000 yard long range match with a service rifle, and also eclipsed a record that been held since 1984 by scoring a new high in the long-range aggregate with the service rifle after scoring a 397-12x.
"Staff Sgt. Micholick did not simply break a record, he crushed the longest standing record in the history of the Interservice Rifle Championships, which stood for nearly thirty years and in perhaps the most difficult match - the 1000-yard long range - with a service weapon,” said Lt. Col. Daniel Hodne, commander, USAMU.
“I could not think of a more fitting time for one of our Soldiers to establish this new record than at the 50th iteration of this Interservice Rifle Championship."
The Excellence-in-Competition Match was won by Staff Sgt. Armando Ayala. Green, Verbickas, Trickett and Gallagher also won individual matches. Gallagher was crowned high woman shooter.
With the overall win, the USAMU swept all individual and team championships in Interservice competition for 2011, the second consecutive year they have done so.
The competition, which dates back to 1960, when the value of Interservice marksmanship competition was recognized in a Memorandum of Understanding by the chiefs of each service, highlights the professional capacity and versatility of military service members. The 50th anniversary of the rifle championship is a significant milestone in the history of competitive marksmanship.
Oh, and the girls deploy too:
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sinister</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't mean to get into a thread hijack.
MSG Jared Van Aalst, KIA Afghanistan, 4 AUG 10 -- former US Army Rifle Team Shooter/Instructor</div></div>I would have posted it if you hadn't.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sinister</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't mean to get into a thread hijack.
MSG Jared Van Aalst, KIA Afghanistan, 4 AUG 10 -- former US Army Rifle Team Shooter/Instructor</div></div>I would have posted it if you hadn't.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rogers0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fargo,
Most of the other teams competing are doing so for the main purpose of training. Competitions are a great way to test gear/sops/etc. Yea, good on AMU for winning....no surprise when you consider the amount of range time they have. But if I was able to attend the competition, I would do so in order to prepare myself for another combat deployment as a Sniper, rather than just another guy competing in a shooting competition. Its great that AMU has the time and money to invest in getting really good at competitions. The Marine Corps would have a very difficult time fielding a team from school trained scout snipers. Most want to go to combat and do their jobs, not compete in a sport. This is not a knock on AMU, I just think they have a different mind set then most competitors who actually will be using these skills in combat against enemy forces. </div></div>
RIP to those guys. Today we gave thanks for their service and the sacrifices both they and their families make every day.
I'm saying it's not a level playing field when you have MOS guys up against those with a limitless amount of training time, a custom rifle building shop at their beck and call, and significant competitive experience.
It's not the best shooters that win matches. It's the best competitors. A fantastic sniper might make a terrible competitor. And vice versa. I know it's looked at as a training opportunity by MOS guys. If we're going to have training - let's have training. If we're going to have a <span style="font-style: italic">competition, </span> let's come prepared to WIN.
I want to see the other branches representing. I know they can do it.
Why not even out the playing field and limit the competition to Sniper MOS only? Since the Army AMU wins every time (and they host it), this will pretty much never happen.
--Fargo007
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rogers0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fargo,
Most of the other teams competing are doing so for the main purpose of training. Competitions are a great way to test gear/sops/etc. Yea, good on AMU for winning....no surprise when you consider the amount of range time they have. But if I was able to attend the competition, I would do so in order to prepare myself for another combat deployment as a Sniper, rather than just another guy competing in a shooting competition. Its great that AMU has the time and money to invest in getting really good at competitions. The Marine Corps would have a very difficult time fielding a team from school trained scout snipers. Most want to go to combat and do their jobs, not compete in a sport. This is not a knock on AMU, I just think they have a different mind set then most competitors who actually will be using these skills in combat against enemy forces. </div></div>
RIP to those guys. Today we gave thanks for their service and the sacrifices both they and their families make every day.
I'm saying it's not a level playing field when you have MOS guys up against those with a limitless amount of training time, a custom rifle building shop at their beck and call, and significant competitive experience.
It's not the best shooters that win matches. It's the best competitors. A fantastic sniper might make a terrible competitor. And vice versa. I know it's looked at as a training opportunity by MOS guys. If we're going to have training - let's have training. If we're going to have a <span style="font-style: italic">competition, </span> let's come prepared to WIN.
I want to see the other branches representing. I know they can do it.
Why not even out the playing field and limit the competition to Sniper MOS only? Since the Army AMU wins every time (and they host it), this will pretty much never happen.
--Fargo007
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of the other teams competing are doing so for the main purpose of training. Competitions are a great way to test gear/sops/etc. Yea, good on AMU for winning....no surprise when you consider the amount of range time they have. But if I was able to attend the competition, I would do so in order to prepare myself for another combat deployment as a Sniper, rather than just another guy competing in a shooting competition. Its great that AMU has the time and money to invest in getting really good at competitions.</div></div>
You notice the AMU didn't win last year...........WHY, Oh I forgot, they were DEPLOYED to Afgan.
I ain't buying that crap. Yeah they compete, but their mission is to train soldiers, they've been in the Sniper Instructor buisness a long time.
Who do you think got the sniper programs started in Vietnam. Who do you thing the SS, FBI, MARINES, and serveral Civilian LE departments got their sniper instructors to start their programs.
That's not all, read THE RED CIRCLE, written SEAL sniper instructors, they talk of bringing in the AMU to provide instruction for the SEAL Sniper Schools.
The ARMY Marksmanship Unit. They are more then competitiors, they are more then instructors, they got the t-shirt and they earned it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of the other teams competing are doing so for the main purpose of training. Competitions are a great way to test gear/sops/etc. Yea, good on AMU for winning....no surprise when you consider the amount of range time they have. But if I was able to attend the competition, I would do so in order to prepare myself for another combat deployment as a Sniper, rather than just another guy competing in a shooting competition. Its great that AMU has the time and money to invest in getting really good at competitions.</div></div>
You notice the AMU didn't win last year...........WHY, Oh I forgot, they were DEPLOYED to Afgan.
I ain't buying that crap. Yeah they compete, but their mission is to train soldiers, they've been in the Sniper Instructor buisness a long time.
Who do you think got the sniper programs started in Vietnam. Who do you thing the SS, FBI, MARINES, and serveral Civilian LE departments got their sniper instructors to start their programs.
That's not all, read THE RED CIRCLE, written SEAL sniper instructors, they talk of bringing in the AMU to provide instruction for the SEAL Sniper Schools.
The ARMY Marksmanship Unit. They are more then competitiors, they are more then instructors, they got the t-shirt and they earned it.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not even out the playing field and limit the competition to Sniper MOS only? Since the Army AMU wins every time (and they host it), this will pretty much never happen.</div></div>
The Army doesn't have a "SNIPER MOS". They DO NOT HOST THE ISC, the 197th does, (The Army Sniper School). That's the Infantry School. The AMU does not run the Sniper School.
They do win most of the time, because they are that good. That wasn't always the case, Go back to the 80s, then the Army National Guard won most of the Service Rifle Matches. That changed when the NG MTU got away from "Composite" style shooting gearing their program more toward Combat.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not even out the playing field and limit the competition to Sniper MOS only? Since the Army AMU wins every time (and they host it), this will pretty much never happen.</div></div>
The Army doesn't have a "SNIPER MOS". They DO NOT HOST THE ISC, the 197th does, (The Army Sniper School). That's the Infantry School. The AMU does not run the Sniper School.
They do win most of the time, because they are that good. That wasn't always the case, Go back to the 80s, then the Army National Guard won most of the Service Rifle Matches. That changed when the NG MTU got away from "Composite" style shooting gearing their program more toward Combat.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
The Army hosts and runs it, so they make the rules as to who competes. You know what I mean.
I have no issue with the AMU as fighting men who deploy, fight, and in accordance with their mission make others better to do so.
The AMU is WAAAY out front on this. This is the second time in the thread I am saying so. I don't think this is anything that couldn't be done by any other branch if they were serious about making the same investment.
The AMU absolutely are the best. There is just no question. But did they get that way based on the miracle of natural talent alone, or do they owe it to a greater amount of practice and study than others?
That's the point. As it exists it's a basketball game between guys who have to work in a factory all day and go compete with limited equipment options vs. an NBA team with high end sponsors and any gear they want. I want another NBA team in the league.
The AMU goes there to WIN. It's THEIR EXAMPLE I want followed by some others. I forget who said this:
<span style="font-style: italic">
"The will to win is not as important as the will to <span style="font-weight: bold">prepare</span> to win."</span>
We don't see the scores, but what we do know is that the AMU goes there prepared to win.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Who do you think got the sniper programs started in Vietnam. </div></div>
Are you saying the AMU?
It was my understanding that Maj. Jim Land and Carlos Hathcock played a huge role here too. Oh yeah - They were USMC.
--Fargo007
The Army hosts and runs it, so they make the rules as to who competes. You know what I mean.
I have no issue with the AMU as fighting men who deploy, fight, and in accordance with their mission make others better to do so.
The AMU is WAAAY out front on this. This is the second time in the thread I am saying so. I don't think this is anything that couldn't be done by any other branch if they were serious about making the same investment.
The AMU absolutely are the best. There is just no question. But did they get that way based on the miracle of natural talent alone, or do they owe it to a greater amount of practice and study than others?
That's the point. As it exists it's a basketball game between guys who have to work in a factory all day and go compete with limited equipment options vs. an NBA team with high end sponsors and any gear they want. I want another NBA team in the league.
The AMU goes there to WIN. It's THEIR EXAMPLE I want followed by some others. I forget who said this:
<span style="font-style: italic">
"The will to win is not as important as the will to <span style="font-weight: bold">prepare</span> to win."</span>
We don't see the scores, but what we do know is that the AMU goes there prepared to win.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Who do you think got the sniper programs started in Vietnam. </div></div>
Are you saying the AMU?
It was my understanding that Maj. Jim Land and Carlos Hathcock played a huge role here too. Oh yeah - They were USMC.
--Fargo007
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
Wow, I didn't realize that AMU members deployed. I stand corrected! That must be a great gig getting assigned there. Kudos to them though, it must be awesome having all the resources that they have to train, AND being able to deploy every so often.
Wow, I didn't realize that AMU members deployed. I stand corrected! That must be a great gig getting assigned there. Kudos to them though, it must be awesome having all the resources that they have to train, AND being able to deploy every so often.
Re: Ft Benning International Sniper Comp
Hathcock was a High Power shooter, and an MP in Vietnam. During which time he exhibited his marksmanship skills. It was later that Laird and Hothcock started a MC sniper program based on the lessons learned in Vietnam.
The AMU went to Vietnam to provide sniper support, and started schools for the Army's 9th Inf Div, 101st Abn Div, Americal Div. MACV, and the SF's Groups.
After Vietnam, both the Army and Navy (Marines) let their programs fall by the wayside. Not so the AMU, they continued their probram until the start of the Infantry Schools Sniper School in 1987.
To get in the AMUs program you had to convince them you would go back to your state, unit or dept and start a program.
No way was I putting down Hathcock nor Laird, I was talking sniper programs, not indivual snipers.
Not all Vietnam snipers ever attended a sniper school of any sort. Some did, including Adelbert Waldron (Most confirmed sniper kills in Vietnam) who as a member of the 9th IN Div. was instructed by the AMU sniper instructors in Vietnam.
But sniping is just one part of the AMU, their main job is marksmanship instructors and it has been since Presidnet Ike started the AMU in 1956. Not just for snipers, but other aspects of marksmanship to the military, LE, Civilians including the Junior programs. Competition also but that's more of a recuirtment tool.
Hathcock was a High Power shooter, and an MP in Vietnam. During which time he exhibited his marksmanship skills. It was later that Laird and Hothcock started a MC sniper program based on the lessons learned in Vietnam.
The AMU went to Vietnam to provide sniper support, and started schools for the Army's 9th Inf Div, 101st Abn Div, Americal Div. MACV, and the SF's Groups.
After Vietnam, both the Army and Navy (Marines) let their programs fall by the wayside. Not so the AMU, they continued their probram until the start of the Infantry Schools Sniper School in 1987.
To get in the AMUs program you had to convince them you would go back to your state, unit or dept and start a program.
No way was I putting down Hathcock nor Laird, I was talking sniper programs, not indivual snipers.
Not all Vietnam snipers ever attended a sniper school of any sort. Some did, including Adelbert Waldron (Most confirmed sniper kills in Vietnam) who as a member of the 9th IN Div. was instructed by the AMU sniper instructors in Vietnam.
But sniping is just one part of the AMU, their main job is marksmanship instructors and it has been since Presidnet Ike started the AMU in 1956. Not just for snipers, but other aspects of marksmanship to the military, LE, Civilians including the Junior programs. Competition also but that's more of a recuirtment tool.
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Good historical info in this.
Thanks. I understood that Jim Land began a program in Vietnam through work with Hathcock and through that created what eventually became the USMC's program that exists today. With Hathcock going on to train others, even after he was out of the Marine Corps.
It looks like the Army had a parallel effort.
--Fargo007
Good historical info in this.
Thanks. I understood that Jim Land began a program in Vietnam through work with Hathcock and through that created what eventually became the USMC's program that exists today. With Hathcock going on to train others, even after he was out of the Marine Corps.
It looks like the Army had a parallel effort.
--Fargo007
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I competed in International this year and for my first time my team did really well, we even took 1st in two events. In regard to AMU, those guys are the most professional soldiers I've ever met. The reason why they won wasn't because of their equipment or hand loaded ammo, 80% of the shots at the comp were 600m and in, we'll inside the limits of factory M118LR. They won because of great team communication, and knowing their limits. Those guys could have won with M24's
, it doesn't matter.
What got allot of the competitors was the alt fire positions both on static and moving targets. AMU guys summed it up pretty well, get your zero and dope then train like you fight. If you can hit head shots standing at 300m, that 600m shot in the prone will be a piece of cake.
I competed in International this year and for my first time my team did really well, we even took 1st in two events. In regard to AMU, those guys are the most professional soldiers I've ever met. The reason why they won wasn't because of their equipment or hand loaded ammo, 80% of the shots at the comp were 600m and in, we'll inside the limits of factory M118LR. They won because of great team communication, and knowing their limits. Those guys could have won with M24's
, it doesn't matter.
What got allot of the competitors was the alt fire positions both on static and moving targets. AMU guys summed it up pretty well, get your zero and dope then train like you fight. If you can hit head shots standing at 300m, that 600m shot in the prone will be a piece of cake.
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Can you share some of the stages?
I am interested in what the course of fire was if that's available anywhere.
--Fargo007
Can you share some of the stages?
I am interested in what the course of fire was if that's available anywhere.
--Fargo007
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I also want to point out that since I've started shooting comps I have become a better shooter. I've spent 2+ years overseas and just because you deploy, that doesn't make you a great shooter. The mentality of the Big Army needs to change in regards to marksmanship training. The Army brass are failing us and should utilize the TTP's of AMU and start training for the realistic fight.
Shoot movers, shoot full kit, shoot alt fire positions...
I'm even signing up for some IDPA matches to help with my pistol work. It's sad that I have to outsource my training because of the Army dropping the ball. But I'll do what I have todo to stay sharp.
I also want to point out that since I've started shooting comps I have become a better shooter. I've spent 2+ years overseas and just because you deploy, that doesn't make you a great shooter. The mentality of the Big Army needs to change in regards to marksmanship training. The Army brass are failing us and should utilize the TTP's of AMU and start training for the realistic fight.
Shoot movers, shoot full kit, shoot alt fire positions...
I'm even signing up for some IDPA matches to help with my pistol work. It's sad that I have to outsource my training because of the Army dropping the ball. But I'll do what I have todo to stay sharp.
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Night KYL. Targets from 300-600m. Once you missed, done.
360 stalk. Roaming patrols, enemy op's. make it to the link up point and you were good.
Rapid fire engagement. 30 sec, to engage 5 1" boxes.
chaos overs. 400-600 shooting movers and snaps in a confined, off hand position.
4.5 mile kit run
Defenses COP shoot. Snipers in a bunker, just rifles, no binos or spot scope. 3:30 time limit for 5 UKD targets.
Pistol event with steel racks from 5-25 m
9 hole barricade shoot with long gun 300-500m tgt
One shot. 500 or 800 meter shot. One round, pick your target.
Urban Kim shoot. By far best event and one of two events we placed first 7:00 minutes to find 5 hvts from inside 3 story structure. Hvts mixed in with no shoot targets. Even had to engage one tgt through the plywood because of limited exposure.
Night KYL. Targets from 300-600m. Once you missed, done.
360 stalk. Roaming patrols, enemy op's. make it to the link up point and you were good.
Rapid fire engagement. 30 sec, to engage 5 1" boxes.
chaos overs. 400-600 shooting movers and snaps in a confined, off hand position.
4.5 mile kit run
Defenses COP shoot. Snipers in a bunker, just rifles, no binos or spot scope. 3:30 time limit for 5 UKD targets.
Pistol event with steel racks from 5-25 m
9 hole barricade shoot with long gun 300-500m tgt
One shot. 500 or 800 meter shot. One round, pick your target.
Urban Kim shoot. By far best event and one of two events we placed first
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Thank you.
Other than the stalk and the 4.5 mile run, the stages seem very similar to ones you would find at many of the comps advertised here. Congrats on smoking those two stages. Sounds like the Urban HVT was probably one of the more difficult ones too.
I also believe in the benefits of competition. Especially when it forces you to work your "problem solving muscles." And you get to see other shooters solving those problems in ways you hadn't considered, or employing gear effectively in an unintended way.
It looks like a privilege just to be able to shoot this match.
--Fargo007
Thank you.
Other than the stalk and the 4.5 mile run, the stages seem very similar to ones you would find at many of the comps advertised here. Congrats on smoking those two stages. Sounds like the Urban HVT was probably one of the more difficult ones too.
I also believe in the benefits of competition. Especially when it forces you to work your "problem solving muscles." And you get to see other shooters solving those problems in ways you hadn't considered, or employing gear effectively in an unintended way.
It looks like a privilege just to be able to shoot this match.
--Fargo007
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Yes I've seen some of your course of fires and your correct. It makes sense, why shoot belly prone 90% of the time when you know for a fact that overseas or on call outs you will be in a position behind cover, off hand in full kit, ect..
I'm taking this year to really train as I fight. From IDPA matches to local comps that focus on positional and moving targets.
Yes I've seen some of your course of fires and your correct. It makes sense, why shoot belly prone 90% of the time when you know for a fact that overseas or on call outs you will be in a position behind cover, off hand in full kit, ect..
I'm taking this year to really train as I fight. From IDPA matches to local comps that focus on positional and moving targets.
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I wonder why the Navy didn't send anyone. As far as I know, they sent a couple teams to the USASOC Comp last year.
I wonder why the Navy didn't send anyone. As far as I know, they sent a couple teams to the USASOC Comp last year.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indypendent</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder why the Navy didn't send anyone. As far as I know, they sent a couple teams to the USASOC Comp last year. </div></div>
Cuz navy is ghey
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indypendent</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder why the Navy didn't send anyone. As far as I know, they sent a couple teams to the USASOC Comp last year. </div></div>
Cuz navy is ghey
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Coast Guard was there. They did really well to. Also Air Force had a team with the first female shooter. Both teams were very professional and great competitors.
Coast Guard was there. They did really well to. Also Air Force had a team with the first female shooter. Both teams were very professional and great competitors.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GasGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also Air Force had a team with the first female shooter. Both teams were very professional and great competitors. </div></div>
IIRC the Isrealis had a chic at the comp in '06 - quite a hottie too, ended up in Maxim a few months later
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GasGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also Air Force had a team with the first female shooter. Both teams were very professional and great competitors. </div></div>
IIRC the Isrealis had a chic at the comp in '06 - quite a hottie too, ended up in Maxim a few months later
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Pics or I call BS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 123987</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GasGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also Air Force had a team with the first female shooter. Both teams were very professional and great competitors. </div></div>
IIRC the Isrealis had a chic at the comp in '06 - quite a hottie too, ended up in Maxim a few months later </div></div>
Pics or I call BS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 123987</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GasGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also Air Force had a team with the first female shooter. Both teams were very professional and great competitors. </div></div>
IIRC the Isrealis had a chic at the comp in '06 - quite a hottie too, ended up in Maxim a few months later </div></div>
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Fair play to the Irish team, thats twice in 2nd place for 2 different units.
Fair play to the Irish team, thats twice in 2nd place for 2 different units.
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The Irish guys are top notch. They run an excellent program over there and I wouldn't be surprised if they pull it off next year.
The Irish guys are top notch. They run an excellent program over there and I wouldn't be surprised if they pull it off next year.
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Iv attended and failed(not embarrassed to admit) the course.Very high level of skill and knowledge in the small community over here
Iv attended and failed(not embarrassed to admit) the course.Very high level of skill and knowledge in the small community over here
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indypendent</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pics or I call BS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 123987</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GasGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also Air Force had a team with the first female shooter. Both teams were very professional and great competitors. </div></div>
IIRC the Isrealis had a chic at the comp in '06 - quite a hottie too, ended up in Maxim a few months later </div></div> </div></div>
No pics, but link:
http://www.armytimes.com/offduty/sports/sniperweb11.3.06/
"The competition, sponsored by the Army Sniper School, brought to Fort Benning 26 sniper teams from the Army, Marine Corps, Air Force and the British, Canadian and Israeli militaries. The Israeli team features the only woman competing in this year’s event."
She will probably be most remembered from the stalk lane when her partner fired his M24 using the top of her head as a rest(both standing). That and the catch-me-fuck-me outfits she wore.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indypendent</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pics or I call BS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 123987</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GasGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also Air Force had a team with the first female shooter. Both teams were very professional and great competitors. </div></div>
IIRC the Isrealis had a chic at the comp in '06 - quite a hottie too, ended up in Maxim a few months later </div></div> </div></div>
No pics, but link:
http://www.armytimes.com/offduty/sports/sniperweb11.3.06/
"The competition, sponsored by the Army Sniper School, brought to Fort Benning 26 sniper teams from the Army, Marine Corps, Air Force and the British, Canadian and Israeli militaries. The Israeli team features the only woman competing in this year’s event."
She will probably be most remembered from the stalk lane when her partner fired his M24 using the top of her head as a rest(both standing). That and the catch-me-fuck-me outfits she wore.
