Gasland, environmental disaster?

[ssgp2]

I wasn't sure if this site was the place to post this, but I taught that lots of guys/girls here love to hunt and fish, or drink water....

I'm not an environmentalist freak, but after seeing this, I need to share.

PBS NOW interview(video)
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/613/index.html

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/about-the-film/synopsis

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LV2QO3BA

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[Downzero]

Re: Gasland

I saw it. Supposedly there are a number of factual inaccuracies. It still seems like something we ought to all know about.

 

[mexicanmatch]

Re: Gasland

I agree, what are the grandkids who will grow up with this stuff?

 

[bhoges]

Re: Gasland

I saw it an its was a scary eye opener. I need to have my buddy watch it since has a masters in that field. He developes way to remove chemicals from the grounds. Even if its half true that has to be pretty dam bad for the environment and us.

 

[notquiteright]

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Away from the Big City media centers, the smaller market stations in the marginal oilfield belts routinely report kitchen sinks that can be lit.

Its always a big mystery as the local well company denies any connection to their recovery work in these low production fields.

The reports always end with everyone waiting for further tests from some state/fed agency.

Far as I know everyone is still waiting as the results never seem to make it on air.

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: Gasland

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I saw it. Supposedly there are a number of factual inaccuracies. It still seems like something we ought to all know about. </div></div>

Locally we have a lot of political friction over the proposed Jordan Cove LNG Terminal and the Pacific Connector Gas Line. Couple these together and this is big project that will lead to the eventual dredging and expansion of the international port at Coos Bay (start to compete with Long Beach and Sea-Tac), better rail, better hi-ways (to move goods from the port to all points), -> long way around to saying this is a catalyst for massive economic growth in Southern Oregon.

That all said, yes I have seen Gasland. Yes it has a point of view and yes they are cherry picking the most sensational stuff to argue a point of view. However, if only 50% of what the program discussed were true, what property rights issues does it raise? What real short and long term health impacts does it create for the people in the immediate area? (and on some level do others that are consumers of the utility have some obligation to them for damage?) Would you want to live near that? If 25% of what was said was true - I would not want to live near these conditions.



Good luck

 

[h4everything]

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I work in the oil and gas industry and some of the stuff is true but it is taken way out of context. 99.99% of oil companies do the absolute best job and correct job to prevent all of the damage. I assure you its better than any alternative that is out there to get around and power up the world.

 

[ssgp2]

Re: Gasland

I was hoping someone in that insdustrie would post on this thread.

I am really hoping that it isn`t as bad.....

But still.....

 

[bhoges]

Re: Gasland

They are talking more and more about drilling up by the finger Lakes. Man Im the last liberal environmental nut but that pretty scary and I dont want any drilling like that when theres a chance it could leach out into the water table.

 

[shankster..]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: h4everything</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I work in the oil and gas industry and some of the stuff is true but it is taken way out of context. 99.99% of oil companies do the absolute best job and correct job to prevent all of the damage. I assure you its better than any alternative that is out there to get around and power up the world. </div></div>

Wikipedia:

n April 2010 the state of Pennsylvania banned Cabot Oil & Gas Corp. from further drilling in the entire state until it plugs wells believed to be the source of contamination of the drinking water of 14 homes in Dimock Township PA. The investigation was initiated after a water well exploded on New Year's Day in 2009. The state investigation revealed that Cabot Oil & Gas Company "had allowed combustible gas to escape into the region's groundwater supplies."[19]
A well blowout in Clearfield County, PA on June 3, 2010 sent more than 35,000 gallons of hydraulic fracturing fluids into the air and onto the surrounding landscape in a forested area. Campers were evacuated and the company EOG Resources and the well completion company C.C. Forbes have been ordered to cease all operations in the state of Pennsylvania pending investigation. The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection has called this a "serious incident".[20][21]


Yeah, these are safe for drinking water:

Identified by the state of New York as being "Chemical Constituents in Additives/Chemicals" used in Fracturing

(Extracted from http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/materials_minerals_pdf/ogdsgeischap5.pdf)

<span style="font-weight: bold">Be sure to read section 5.4.3.1 of the document in this link.</span>

CAS Number Chemical Constituent
2634-33-5 1,2 Benzisothiazolin-2-one / 1,2-benzisothiazolin-3-one
95-63-6 1,2,4 trimethylbenzene
123-91-1 1,4 Dioxane
3452-07-1 1-eicosene
629-73-2 1-hexadecene
112-88-9 1-octadecene
1120-36-1 1-tetradecene
10222-01-2 2,2 Dibromo-3-nitrilopropionamide
27776-21-2 2,2'-azobis-{2-(imidazlin-2-yl)propane}-dihydrochloride
73003-80-2 2,2-Dobromomalonamide
15214-89-8 2-Acrylamido-2-methylpropanesulphonic acid sodium salt polymer
46830-22-2 2-acryloyloxyethyl(benzyl)dimethylammonium chloride
52-51-7 2-Bromo-2-nitro-1,3-propanediol
111-76-2 2-Butoxy ethanol
1113-55-9 2-Dibromo-3-Nitriloprionamide (2-Monobromo-3-nitriilopropionamide)
104-76-7 2-Ethyl Hexanol
67-63-0 2-Propanol / Isopropyl Alcohol / Isopropanol / Propan-2-ol
26062-79-3 2-Propen-1-aminium, N,N-dimethyl-N-2-propenyl-chloride, homopolymer
9003-03-6 2-propenoic acid, homopolymer, ammonium salt
25987-30-8 2-Propenoic acid, polymer with 2 p-propenamide, sodium salt / Copolymer of acrylamide and sodium acrylate
71050-62-9 2-Propenoic acid, polymer with sodium phosphinate (1:1)
66019-18-9 2-propenoic acid, telomer with sodium hydrogen sulfite
107-19-7 2-Propyn-1-ol / Progargyl Alcohol
51229-78-8 3,5,7-Triaza-1-azoniatricyclo[3.3.1.13,7]decane, 1-(3-chloro-2-propenyl)-chloride,
115-19-5 3-methyl-1-butyn-3-ol
127087-87-0 4-Nonylphenol Polyethylene Glycol Ether Branched / Nonylphenol ethoxylated / Oxyalkylated Phenol
64-19-7 Acetic acid
68442-62-6 Acetic acid, hydroxy-, reaction products with triethanolamine
108-24-7 Acetic Anhydride
67-64-1 Acetone
79-06-1 Acrylamide

 

[coldboremiracle]

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Interesting info Shank. While I haven't seen the show in question, I thought I'd chime in about the subject in general. I work in the field, cleaning up alot of these messes. And while I'm sure there are many problems and leaks ect. I too must add that at least the companies I work for get carried away with clean/safe operation.(not that there is anything wrong with that, I applaud their efforts) They friek out if so much as a drop of oil gets on the ground, and dig up any soil contaminated, and then build a concrete enclosure lest it happen anew. While this does nothing to stop previous damage, it does give me some faith that the industry will improve its record.

 

[teknikallysekure]

Re: Gasland

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting info Shank. While I haven't seen the show in question, I thought I'd chime in about the subject in general. I work in the field, cleaning up alot of these messes. And while I'm sure there are many problems and leaks ect. I too must add that at least the companies I work for get carried away with clean/safe operation.(not that there is anything wrong with that, I applaud their efforts) They friek out if so much as a drop of oil gets on the ground, and dig up any soil contaminated, and then build a concrete enclosure lest it happen anew. While this does nothing to stop previous damage, it does give me some faith that the industry will improve its record. </div></div>

My dad works in the industry and has personally done a lot to try and improve the process of making the localized impacts less.

In the case of Hydrolic fracturing though if you're pumping tons of toxic chemicals into the ground and then trying to flush them out there's really no way to get around contaminating everything around connected to the water table.

I finally got around to watching this movie, and it was pretty sad. I thought the film director was a douche for the first 1/4 of it but by the end he grew on me.

 

[ZLBubba]

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I just saw Gasland on HBO because I'd read about it on this thread. I was worried it was going to be a hippie propaganda film, but it wasn't at all. Seeing ranchers, farmers, every day Americans light their taps on fire was gut churning. The sicknesses and disease, the loss of livelihood, it all just made me disgusted.

I'm sure there are very hard working people in the oil and gas industry that do their best to make it as clean as possible, and I'm sure there may even be improvements being made. But you cannot force all those fracking chemicals into the ground and expect it not to pollute our drinking water. In other words, you can't polish this turd.

Since most of the de-regulation happened from the Energy Policy Act of 2005, it's clear we need to amend it. The fact that any industry, in this case those companies involved with hydraulic fracturing, is exempt from the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts is ridiculous. There's fewer and fewer people hunting and fishing every year, and that means we've got to make sure that that land and those water ways don't get polluted. I can't imagine telling my kid he can't go fishing because the chemicals in the water have killed all the fish. Bottom line, no matter where you live, you should see the movie for yourself. Even if only 25% of the movie is true (and I'm betting closer to 75+%), then it's something every one of us should know about.

 

[Maggot]

Re: Gasland, environmental disaster?

Who needs water, drink <span style="font-size: 20pt"> BEER</span>