Sidearms & Scatterguns German Army chooses CZ P10F Pistol

[Milf Dots]

The German Army has chosen the CZ P10F O.R. to replace their old HK P8/USP pistols. The CZ was chosen over the Glock 17 and the Arex Delta 2.

Apparently no HK, Walther, or Sig pistols, were down selected in testing by the German Army.

Contract is for a minimum of 62,000 pistols, and could go as high as 186,000 pistols.

Good for CZ- the P10 is a great pistol!

German Bundeswehr Selects CZ P-10 F as New Sidearm | Soldier Systems Daily

Reports indicate that the German Bundeswehr recently selected the CZ P-10 F as their new standard-issue sidearm after a competition conducted by Federal Off ...

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[MK20]

The p10 is the best striker fired pistol I think.

They didn't test SIG because with all those spontaneous discharges it would sound like 1945 again, and that brings back bad memories.

 

[Coffee_and_Pipes]

They didn't test SIG because with all those spontaneous discharges it would sound like 1945 again, and that brings back bad memories.

 

[flogxal]

P10 series are great, not surprised at this. I've run P10 C and P10 F in pistol comps and plenty of practice rounds through both. Never a problem, never a malfunction, no broken parts. Easy to strip, easy to clean, nice trigger, great ergos, pretty good factory stippling. Best of all they aren't very expensive as priced by CZ.

 

[Eggman]

p10 series are very underrated.

 

[ToddM]

There's a wide range of gun's where you could do a LOT worse than to select a CZ. They punch well above their price point in just about every category of guns they manufacturer.

 

[Hairball]

Apparently no HK, Walther, or Sig pistols, were down selected in testing by the German Army.

Most likely not considered because they could not secure the number of pistols they needed at an acceptable price point. They knew this going in so they only considered those manufacturers that are willing to make a favorable deal for the Army. As with the U.S. military, often the lowest bidder offering the most support gets the contract, it’s rarely the best equipment available.

 

[ToddM]

That would seem unlikely for Sig, unless their methods have changed now that they are established in military contracts that they've raised their bids massively. They underbid glock by 40% $170 mil to $273 mil for the service pistol contract. We can site other reasons, and argue about them, but there's no way that was not the single largest reason for their win, once they were determined to have met the required criteria acceptably.

To put that in perspective, the Sig contract was $170 million for 550,000 handguns (granted a lot more goes into these contracts than just the guns, there's support, parts etc.). That's $310 a handgun, if it was for nothing more than the guns.

The German contract was $35mil (USD) for just 62,000 guns, that's almost double (again a huge assumption is being made on what the contract really entails, but even if it's nothing but the guns, it's still a huge price increase).

There's also the fact that Germany is probably still less than pleased with Sig, after they got caught skirting Germany foreign export regulations by exporting German manufactured SIG handguns to the SIG USA, which promptly exported a large amount of them to Columbia, against German export laws by selling arms to a conflict nation, after they explicitly stated all the weapons would remain in the US. That is what caused German to ban any exports of SIG German weapons in 2014 to any country, and got Sig a nice $15mil fine in 2019.

It would not be an exaggeration to say that was the death of SIG German manufacturing, between the fines and no doubt a massive loss of mil/leo contracts in Germany, and that they could not export Sig guns anywhere outside Germany.

 

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