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German Sheperd or Malinois?

Which dog should I choose next, German Sheperd or Malinois?

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Another thing to consider is that when you need overnight boarding, not just anyone can handle a protection trained Malinois or GSD.
It took me almost a year to find someone that knew what they were doing, and mine is very mild by comparison.

read the tag line ?
 
long story short. i got a Mal from a trainer in florida. she was a great dog but we already had a english bulldog female in the house and they stayed tied up. the bulldog was no match for the Mal and ended up cut up. i re homed her to a buddy of mine who was a k9 officer. fast forward a year and hes going through a divorce working too much and doesnt have time for her like she needs. I went yesterday and got my girl back. Bulldog had to be put down last week because of cancer.
 

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Just went back and read some of the other comments.

Regarding Dutch shepherds:
There are no actual differences in DS's and Malinois'. The Dutch wanted to give their rendition of a malinois. The difference between their breed and what the Belgians, is color. You can have a litter of both mals and dutchies. So what's the genetic differences other than color? There are no temperament differences between the 2. Anything you may have seen different between the 2 were are based on the individual dogs, not the breeds. I've seen every variation in both breeds. Some DS's may be a little bigger than a lot of mals bc the Dutch bred in some Danes way back when. But guess what... I had a mal from Holland that was massive and had 4 blank spots in his pedigree from many years ago. I have a good guess of what those blank spots were and I bet they contributed to his size. Bottom line, if u buy a DS, you're buying a striped malinois.
 
Hi,

Ok, so I did not check until now but being the OP is from the Black Forest area of Germany (If my information is correct) I would like to warn that most of the malinois in your area actually come from the French breeding programs of decades ago....Specifically the Elgos Du Chemin des Plaines dog....While that dog in itself was a phenomenal machine; its line breeding program throws some of the most handler aggressive malinois available.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
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ok, I didn't read every reply in this thread. But I'm going to give you my .02 anyway. IF your going to get a puppy ( and I know, my wife just went and got a new one), MAKE DAMN SURE, you have time to mess with him, or her. If you go and get a high drive dog, your going to have to make even more time for them. My recommendations, and this is for anyone, and any breed. Get a female, they are smarter, and easier to work with. They are like children, the more time you spend with them, the more likely they are to be good citizens. They need boundries, a well disciplined dog is a happy dog. If you let them run wild they will chew up your furniture, maybe your hands, and be a PIA generally. It does take patience. And yeah, I'm in the middle of this with a new puppy. Luckily, it isn't quite as bad as having a baby human.............which is even worse.
 
I have a mal I adopted as a puppy. Everybody is exactly right with being high strung, energy filled, tearing shit up and needing a job. They never loose energy and I mean ever. Unfortunately I can’t give him the work he probably needs other than checking the perimeter of the home and letting me know when people or vehicles are approaching. But hey, at the end of the day after I pick up the siding he chewed off my house, or couch cushions, he’s the best damn dog I ever had. Great with the kids and sleeps by my side every night. Love him and happy I got him
 
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Well guys,
I hear ya!

Around Black Forest, Germany, is correct.

Yes, obviously I was thrilled a bit to much of what I knew about the Malinois.
Honestly I wasn´t aware of that "tactical" side of him, like you are in the US.
He isn´t that much present and used in that section over here.

It´s just that I love to watch them, being highly aware of his surrounding, giving attention to his owner, their physics, stature and showing off their pride - like I see it.

I´m a dog guy because I love their honesty and loyalty, which is concentrated in dogs like the GSD or the Malinois.

And I´m not a Sissy, my dogs know exactly who is the boss, they get their training when they are young and this goes on their life time.
A dog has to obey first of all and then comes the rest.

Like I wrote before, I grew up from baby´s feet with a German Sheperd.
Maybe it was always that character which I was looking for in dogs.

The health issues which they have, especially with their rear hips and legs, always did hold me back to get one.
Rex was the name of my childhood´s German Sheperd, he was a very proud and strong sucker.
He suffered enormous in the end, couldn´t stand up then, crawled on his front feet, it was a mess and a horrible experience to see him wrecked like this, so we let him go.

Maybe I have to look for the "right breed", so that this doesn´t happen again, I don´t want to live through this again indeed.
Maybe I look out for a mixture.

But well, if there is an opportunity to get me a healthy German Sheperd, I think I will go this way.
Reading all of your comments and thinking about them and my own motivation, maybe that´s what I was looking for in the Malinois - a healthy version of the German Sheperd.

Thanks for your thoughts and your support guys,
it kept me brain-busy the last days,
best wishes,
Jay
:)
 
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I have had GSDs all my childhood and most of my adulthood. They have all been amazing companions, I really love the breed, and think they can be one of the best family companions in the world. Mal's are amazing working dogs, and they make some amazing family companions, but they need serious structure. They seem to be very attention needy from what I have seen, GSDs seem to be a bit more layed back generally, they dont all seem to have the high drive that Mals do.
 
I'd seriously look into the newer breeds --bottom line is they generally have a lot less problems, especially healthwise due to not being overbred and inbred. I like bird dogs, I have a Llewellyn setter and holy shit, the dog is peerless. They call it the "dog that hunts for you" --no shit. Was holding perfect points at 3 weeks old. Will lock up on a tennis ball too and won't move. Ever. Amazing dogs, completely different from anything I was familiar with. Feels like every other dog was an amateur and this one is the first professional I've ever lived with. Don't know another way to put it.

I know there are breeds similar to the ones you're interested in too. If they're anything like the Llewellyn vs. an English setter, then you'll be more than pleased.
 
@Jayjay1 If you decide on a GSD, there are some folks here that seem to know their business and would most likely be willing to help point you in the right direction, maybe even as far as the right breeder in your area.

I wouldn't discount GSD's due to health issues. There are breeders producing dogs that are more likely that average to have excellent hip/elbows. There's also how the dog is grown. A lot of people what that 95# GSD and grow the puppy too fast.

I'm not a dog or GSD expert, so JMHO.

Also, consider what bogeybrown said about waiting on a new dog.

Good luck.
 
I guess our Mali is the exception. While highly energetic and with no quit in her at all, she’s been pretty easy to train. She does get a lot of attention (I live close to work, so lunch is often spent with her, letting her stretch her legs and such), but has been a great dog. Not overly aggressive, very affectionate and protective.

Shrug. Dogs are like people; some are natural assholes, others not so much. ?

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I guess our Mali is the exception. While highly energetic and with no quit in her at all, she’s been pretty easy to train. She does get a lot of attention (I live close to work, so lunch is often spent with her, letting her stretch her legs and such), but has been a great dog. Not overly aggressive, very affectionate and protective.

Shrug. Dogs are like people; some are natural assholes, others not so much. ?

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Thats a well built dog!

Is it on Dogroids?
 
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Thats a well built dog!

Is it on Dogroids?

LOL! ? She gets a fair amount of exercise and has a, ahem, robust appetite. Seeing her hit her top gear does leave most saying “holy shit, she’s quick!”.

I think part of it is the short, block wall in the back yard. She likes to hop up and down it, to traverse the whole back slope; plus she launches herself from it when either a squirrel presents itself, or if a tennis ball is tossed over the wall and down the steep slope.

She’s definitely a solid dog, but actually not that large (~55lbs).

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My buddy has a Mal that was a training project reject due to temperament. Driven like nothing you would believe (understatement really)... To the point where I would actually use the word "fierce". Children, are barely even strangers are not welcome. It's their child and they wouldn't have it any other way, but considerable time and lifestyle changes were made in order to make these accommodations.

I do alright with him as long as there is a task to be handed out.
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I haven't read the whole thread, but why is it between those 2 breeds? What is the purpose of the new dog? Pet? Friend? Kids to play with? If any of those, i say neither. Get a lab. Best larger breed pet on the planet.
Bottom line, unless the purpose of the dog is for working of some venue, get neither of these breeds, as they will become more burdensome than a blessing.

This advice is about as good as it gets. I am always interested when discussions regarding these types of dogs are posted. If the dogs are bred for their intended purposes they probably don't belong with most people and even fewer families. That doesn't mean they are bad. On the contrary, it means they are good for what they are bred to do. Check with your homeowner's insurance and see if you have exclusions. Breeders of these types of dogs, that tell you that their dogs are bred to be family friendly should be considered with caution, particularly if they don't add the caveat that every litter is a box of chocolates.

As to Labs, well, Labs are Labs. You will see them in many LE K9 units. They are used for search and rescue, drugs, explosives, cadaver location, attack and of course hunting. They are probably the most biddable of all breeds.
 
^^ The OP is in germany. Things are a little different over there. Dog training and IPO is almost as common as kids playing football over here. I'd believe home owners insurance is more lenient over there than here.
 
@Jayjay1 If you decide on a GSD, there are some folks here that seem to know their business and would most likely be willing to help point you in the right direction, maybe even as far as the right breeder in your area.

I wouldn't discount GSD's due to health issues. There are breeders producing dogs that are more likely that average to have excellent hip/elbows. There's also how the dog is grown. A lot of people what that 95# GSD and grow the puppy too fast.

I'm not a dog or GSD expert, so JMHO.

Also, consider what bogeybrown said about waiting on a new dog.

Good luck.
Good info here especially about the overfeeding . It was explained to me many years ago you want to see at least one rib and feel the others. . Never had one with hip problems but I recommend getting them check for DM...(the parents).degenerative myelopathy) It got one of ours and is as bad as dysplasia.....Good luck
 
And why would this be?

The handoff of my straw was just a bit too aggressive for someone’s liking. And she can jump out of the backseat and thru a window before I could say the magic words. It was a self imposed ban. We’ve been working on this issue and as long as we have the same employees that are aware of her we don’t have a problem.

Expect to teach old dogs new tricks with a Mali. Every day is training day.
We have a somewhat unique situation where our dogs are with us 24/7. That tends to create an even stronger bond and ups the protection drive exponentially. These two are night and day different in many ways. The male roams freely in my office mooching a head scratch from anyone that breathes and is as gentle with children as any dog I’ve ever owned. The female stays locked up in her space as she just doesn’t play well with others.
 
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They are all so different. My female is as loving a dog as you would want. Her situational awareness is always on point. She calls my attention to people when we are out in public. Always down to play 24/7
 
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