and get your own TV show.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/howard-kurtz/2010/10/parker_and_spitzer.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/howard-kurtz/2010/10/parker_and_spitzer.html
Get caught with a hooker...
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Re: Get caught with a hooker...
LOL! Talk about a fast pr turnaround. It hasn't even been that long since the scandal and now Spitzer is a friggin' host on CNN. WTF?!
LOL! Talk about a fast pr turnaround. It hasn't even been that long since the scandal and now Spitzer is a friggin' host on CNN. WTF?!
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
geez, there really is no shame left in the world. well, their world at least
geez, there really is no shame left in the world. well, their world at least
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
I saw that on the tube a couple of days ago. I was thinking he was the john in some kind of sting, but just couldn't believe they would have the brass to put him on a news show if he had been.
Well, I have been wrong before.
david
I saw that on the tube a couple of days ago. I was thinking he was the john in some kind of sting, but just couldn't believe they would have the brass to put him on a news show if he had been.
Well, I have been wrong before.
david
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
Come on, getting caught with a hooker is no big deal anymore. Whether you've got a drug problem (Rush), a fidelity problem (Gingrich, Clinton, Kennedy) or a hooker problem (Spitzer, LT, Tiger, et alia), you're going to be just fine. Admit you're wrong, and wait for the public to forget. Should only take a few months. Rinse, and repeat.
Come on, getting caught with a hooker is no big deal anymore. Whether you've got a drug problem (Rush), a fidelity problem (Gingrich, Clinton, Kennedy) or a hooker problem (Spitzer, LT, Tiger, et alia), you're going to be just fine. Admit you're wrong, and wait for the public to forget. Should only take a few months. Rinse, and repeat.
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
Didn't realize there were so many Puritans here...
What's the big deal about humping hookers? Spitzer was an excellent public servant who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. What he does in his private life is as much your business as your private life is mine.
None.
Didn't realize there were so many Puritans here...
What's the big deal about humping hookers? Spitzer was an excellent public servant who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. What he does in his private life is as much your business as your private life is mine.
None.
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't realize there were so many Puritans here...
What's the big deal about humping hookers? Spitzer was an excellent public servant who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. What he does in his private life is as much your business as your private life is mine.
None.</div></div>
Well, assuming the rest of the world felt that way about it, you would be entirely correct.
However- Spitzer was a politician who placed himself in a position where he was exposed to bribes, blackmail, and other possible misuses of that knowledge becoming public and its subsequent need to be kept hush hush.
Additionally, as an elected official who generally takes an oath of office on a bible, he is expected to exhibit a level of moral turpitude that is generally above reproach. He compromised his position as an elected official in this moment of weakness and compromised his goal of continuing that aim of being a moral authority (after all- laws are moral standards or based on them- are they not?).
Even more gross negligence on his part was demonstrated when he used campaign funds to book hotel rooms with which to rendezvous and engage in adulterous (and possibly illegal) acts. I say illegal in the sense of the act itself ( sodomy?) as it is already implied his very presence in the room with a hooker is illegal.
So, let me ask you, do you think it is in the public's interest to have a leader that is above reproach and does not cheat on his wife and compromise the reality of political tactics by opening himself to blackmail? If so, do you concur that rewarding such behavior with a paltry effort of a job that yields a pay check larger that most of his former constituents' is yet a further slap in the face of the very moral authority on which all laws are based on in spirit?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't realize there were so many Puritans here...
What's the big deal about humping hookers? Spitzer was an excellent public servant who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. What he does in his private life is as much your business as your private life is mine.
None.</div></div>
Well, assuming the rest of the world felt that way about it, you would be entirely correct.
However- Spitzer was a politician who placed himself in a position where he was exposed to bribes, blackmail, and other possible misuses of that knowledge becoming public and its subsequent need to be kept hush hush.
Additionally, as an elected official who generally takes an oath of office on a bible, he is expected to exhibit a level of moral turpitude that is generally above reproach. He compromised his position as an elected official in this moment of weakness and compromised his goal of continuing that aim of being a moral authority (after all- laws are moral standards or based on them- are they not?).
Even more gross negligence on his part was demonstrated when he used campaign funds to book hotel rooms with which to rendezvous and engage in adulterous (and possibly illegal) acts. I say illegal in the sense of the act itself ( sodomy?) as it is already implied his very presence in the room with a hooker is illegal.
So, let me ask you, do you think it is in the public's interest to have a leader that is above reproach and does not cheat on his wife and compromise the reality of political tactics by opening himself to blackmail? If so, do you concur that rewarding such behavior with a paltry effort of a job that yields a pay check larger that most of his former constituents' is yet a further slap in the face of the very moral authority on which all laws are based on in spirit?
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody says he never paid for it is either a virgin or a liar. </div></div>
If given the choice, enter into the pay now cost structure vs pay later. If you are in a pay later arrangement, you pay, and pay, and pay, and pay. It never stops unless they want to trade future revenues for 50% of your stuff. It's a brutal options market out there.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody says he never paid for it is either a virgin or a liar. </div></div>
If given the choice, enter into the pay now cost structure vs pay later. If you are in a pay later arrangement, you pay, and pay, and pay, and pay. It never stops unless they want to trade future revenues for 50% of your stuff. It's a brutal options market out there.
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody says he never paid for it is either a virgin or a liar.</div></div>
But how many can say honestly they have done so with public funds while serving in an elected position?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody says he never paid for it is either a virgin or a liar.</div></div>
But how many can say honestly they have done so with public funds while serving in an elected position?
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't realize there were so many Puritans here...
What's the big deal about humping hookers? Spitzer was an excellent public servant who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. What he does in his private life is as much your business as your private life is mine.
None.</div></div>
In short....it's called character. If he was single and out screwing every girl in town then I could care less. However, he was BREAKING THE LAW AND CHEATING ON HIS WIFE.
Trust....he's lost it and trust is just mildly important to have in an elected official (I lol'd a little typing that last line).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't realize there were so many Puritans here...
What's the big deal about humping hookers? Spitzer was an excellent public servant who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. What he does in his private life is as much your business as your private life is mine.
None.</div></div>
In short....it's called character. If he was single and out screwing every girl in town then I could care less. However, he was BREAKING THE LAW AND CHEATING ON HIS WIFE.
Trust....he's lost it and trust is just mildly important to have in an elected official (I lol'd a little typing that last line).
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
I am willing to bet that Shankster has bagged more virgins than anyone here on the hide . There are exceptions with maser and his gerbils and or hamsters.
I am willing to bet that Shankster has bagged more virgins than anyone here on the hide . There are exceptions with maser and his gerbils and or hamsters.
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't realize there were so many Puritans here...
What's the big deal about humping hookers? Spitzer was an excellent public servant who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. What he does in his private life is as much your business as your private life is mine.
None.</div></div>
Well, assuming the rest of the world felt that way about it, you would be entirely correct.
However- Spitzer was a politician who placed himself in a position where he was exposed to bribes, blackmail, and other possible misuses of that knowledge becoming public and its subsequent need to be kept hush hush.</div></div>
Was there any mention of him entering into conflicts of interest with the hookers he slept with? If not, you're simply injecting a 'possible' into a 'never happened'.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Additionally, as an elected official who generally takes an oath of office on a bible, </div></div>
Please. Really? What about Presidents and others who give orders to kill, to wage war, to support vicious dictators and corrupt regimes all in the name of 'national interest'. They swear upon the same book and hardly follow the 10 Cs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> he is expected to exhibit a level of moral turpitude that is generally above reproach. </div></div>
No. He was elected to perform a job and that was enforcing the law (secular). Does a policeman have to forgo his badge if he cheats on his wife? Of course not. Also, last time I looked, cheating wasn't a criminal act.
In regards to moral authority - 'let him without sin cast the first stone.'
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(after all- laws are moral standards or based on them- are they not?).</div></div>
No they are not - not secular laws.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Even more gross negligence on his part was demonstrated when he used campaign funds to book hotel rooms with which to rendezvous and engage in adulterous (and possibly illegal) acts. I say illegal in the sense of the act itself ( sodomy?)</div></div>
If he used campaign funds then he is a criminal - I hadn't read anything about that so I can't argue for or against.
In regards to sodomy, I don't believe it's against the law in NY State. Regardless, it's what two consenting adults do, and as such, and as a libertarian, it's none of my business.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> as it is already implied his very presence in the room with a hooker is illegal.</div></div>
Yes. He was stupid and broke the law in regards to solicitation. He deserves what he got - the loss of a job he was very good in, the loss of his reputation and probably the loss of a lot of respect amongst his friends and families. What he doesn't deserve is the loss of the ability to earn a living as best as he can.
I'd rather see that shit Vick be exiled forever for killing those dogs and making them fight than a guy who had a bit of extra on the side.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, let me ask you, do you think it is in the public's interest to have a leader that is above reproach and does not cheat on his wife and compromise the reality of political tactics by opening himself to blackmail?</div></div>
I'm not naive in thinking politicians are moral authorities. They are not and shouldn't be. Anymore than sports stars are held up as role models. They are elected and paid to do a job. Spitzer was good at his job. The idea that he should be faithful to his wife in order to avoid blackmail isn't really valid. If he gets blackmailed then it's his duty to bring it to the attention of the authorities as a crime in being committed. Let me ask you, would you rather have an ineffectual choirboy in the position of leaders or someone who got the job done? Other than the issue of campaign funds misappropriation, there was nothing to suggest Spitzer's adultery got in the way of his prosecuting the assholes in Wall St.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If so, do you concur that rewarding such behavior with a paltry effort of a job that yields a pay check larger that most of his former constituents' is yet a further slap in the face of the very moral authority on which all laws are based on in spirit?</div></div>
What his former constituents earn is not his regard and neither is what he earns any of theirs. If anyone looks to elected officials for moral authority then frankly they are confused. It's a secular job, enforcing secular laws that are not 'moral'. They are rules and regulations. Have you ever read a book on securities law? I have. There's not a lot of morals there.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't realize there were so many Puritans here...
What's the big deal about humping hookers? Spitzer was an excellent public servant who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. What he does in his private life is as much your business as your private life is mine.
None.</div></div>
Well, assuming the rest of the world felt that way about it, you would be entirely correct.
However- Spitzer was a politician who placed himself in a position where he was exposed to bribes, blackmail, and other possible misuses of that knowledge becoming public and its subsequent need to be kept hush hush.</div></div>
Was there any mention of him entering into conflicts of interest with the hookers he slept with? If not, you're simply injecting a 'possible' into a 'never happened'.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Additionally, as an elected official who generally takes an oath of office on a bible, </div></div>
Please. Really? What about Presidents and others who give orders to kill, to wage war, to support vicious dictators and corrupt regimes all in the name of 'national interest'. They swear upon the same book and hardly follow the 10 Cs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> he is expected to exhibit a level of moral turpitude that is generally above reproach. </div></div>
No. He was elected to perform a job and that was enforcing the law (secular). Does a policeman have to forgo his badge if he cheats on his wife? Of course not. Also, last time I looked, cheating wasn't a criminal act.
In regards to moral authority - 'let him without sin cast the first stone.'
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(after all- laws are moral standards or based on them- are they not?).</div></div>
No they are not - not secular laws.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Even more gross negligence on his part was demonstrated when he used campaign funds to book hotel rooms with which to rendezvous and engage in adulterous (and possibly illegal) acts. I say illegal in the sense of the act itself ( sodomy?)</div></div>
If he used campaign funds then he is a criminal - I hadn't read anything about that so I can't argue for or against.
In regards to sodomy, I don't believe it's against the law in NY State. Regardless, it's what two consenting adults do, and as such, and as a libertarian, it's none of my business.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> as it is already implied his very presence in the room with a hooker is illegal.</div></div>
Yes. He was stupid and broke the law in regards to solicitation. He deserves what he got - the loss of a job he was very good in, the loss of his reputation and probably the loss of a lot of respect amongst his friends and families. What he doesn't deserve is the loss of the ability to earn a living as best as he can.
I'd rather see that shit Vick be exiled forever for killing those dogs and making them fight than a guy who had a bit of extra on the side.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, let me ask you, do you think it is in the public's interest to have a leader that is above reproach and does not cheat on his wife and compromise the reality of political tactics by opening himself to blackmail?</div></div>
I'm not naive in thinking politicians are moral authorities. They are not and shouldn't be. Anymore than sports stars are held up as role models. They are elected and paid to do a job. Spitzer was good at his job. The idea that he should be faithful to his wife in order to avoid blackmail isn't really valid. If he gets blackmailed then it's his duty to bring it to the attention of the authorities as a crime in being committed. Let me ask you, would you rather have an ineffectual choirboy in the position of leaders or someone who got the job done? Other than the issue of campaign funds misappropriation, there was nothing to suggest Spitzer's adultery got in the way of his prosecuting the assholes in Wall St.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If so, do you concur that rewarding such behavior with a paltry effort of a job that yields a pay check larger that most of his former constituents' is yet a further slap in the face of the very moral authority on which all laws are based on in spirit?</div></div>
What his former constituents earn is not his regard and neither is what he earns any of theirs. If anyone looks to elected officials for moral authority then frankly they are confused. It's a secular job, enforcing secular laws that are not 'moral'. They are rules and regulations. Have you ever read a book on securities law? I have. There's not a lot of morals there.
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't realize there were so many Puritans here...
What's the big deal about humping hookers? Spitzer was an excellent public servant who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. What he does in his private life is as much your business as your private life is mine.
None.</div></div>
Well, assuming the rest of the world felt that way about it, you would be entirely correct.
However- Spitzer was a politician who placed himself in a position where he was exposed to bribes, blackmail, and other possible misuses of that knowledge becoming public and its subsequent need to be kept hush hush.
Additionally, as an elected official who generally takes an oath of office on a bible, he is expected to exhibit a level of moral turpitude that is generally above reproach. He compromised his position as an elected official in this moment of weakness and compromised his goal of continuing that aim of being a moral authority (after all- laws are moral standards or based on them- are they not?).
Even more gross negligence on his part was demonstrated when he used campaign funds to book hotel rooms with which to rendezvous and engage in adulterous (and possibly illegal) acts. I say illegal in the sense of the act itself ( sodomy?) as it is already implied his very presence in the room with a hooker is illegal.
So, let me ask you, do you think it is in the public's interest to have a leader that is above reproach and does not cheat on his wife and compromise the reality of political tactics by opening himself to blackmail? If so, do you concur that rewarding such behavior with a paltry effort of a job that yields a pay check larger that most of his former constituents' is yet a further slap in the face of the very moral authority on which all laws are based on in spirit?
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Well said Cav
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No. He was elected to perform a job and that was enforcing the law (secular). Does a policeman have to forgo his badge if he cheats on his wife? Of course not. Also, last time I looked, cheating wasn't a criminal act.</div></div>
Last time I checked it was a good excuse to reduce a murder sentence by a degree or two.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't realize there were so many Puritans here...
What's the big deal about humping hookers? Spitzer was an excellent public servant who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. What he does in his private life is as much your business as your private life is mine.
None.</div></div>
Well, assuming the rest of the world felt that way about it, you would be entirely correct.
However- Spitzer was a politician who placed himself in a position where he was exposed to bribes, blackmail, and other possible misuses of that knowledge becoming public and its subsequent need to be kept hush hush.
Additionally, as an elected official who generally takes an oath of office on a bible, he is expected to exhibit a level of moral turpitude that is generally above reproach. He compromised his position as an elected official in this moment of weakness and compromised his goal of continuing that aim of being a moral authority (after all- laws are moral standards or based on them- are they not?).
Even more gross negligence on his part was demonstrated when he used campaign funds to book hotel rooms with which to rendezvous and engage in adulterous (and possibly illegal) acts. I say illegal in the sense of the act itself ( sodomy?) as it is already implied his very presence in the room with a hooker is illegal.
So, let me ask you, do you think it is in the public's interest to have a leader that is above reproach and does not cheat on his wife and compromise the reality of political tactics by opening himself to blackmail? If so, do you concur that rewarding such behavior with a paltry effort of a job that yields a pay check larger that most of his former constituents' is yet a further slap in the face of the very moral authority on which all laws are based on in spirit?
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Well said Cav
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No. He was elected to perform a job and that was enforcing the law (secular). Does a policeman have to forgo his badge if he cheats on his wife? Of course not. Also, last time I looked, cheating wasn't a criminal act.</div></div>
Last time I checked it was a good excuse to reduce a murder sentence by a degree or two.
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HAHAHAHAHA I love that above comment!!! HAHAHAHA I am seriously laughing... man thats good
HAHAHAHAHA I love that above comment!!! HAHAHAHA I am seriously laughing... man thats good
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kmussack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only reason Spitzer got caught is because he had Paterson on Look-Out.
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Well played, man. I was thinking of all those SNL spoofs on Paterson when I read that.
I look at the Spitzer thing and frankly, I don't care who a person is sleeping with if he performs his job well. I guess that's simply because people who do their jobs well, especially in Spitzer's line of work, tend to be difficult to find. Would I prefer a guy who is faithful to his wife AND does his job well? Sure. But I'll never take a faithful but incompetent public servant over a horny yet skillful one. I guess everyone has to decide what's more important to them if they have to choose between imperfect options.
The Koreans have a great saying, "Do you avoid shit because you're afraid of it? Nope, you avoid it because it's dirty?" I think this is why we have such a limited pool to choose from for public servants. Oh well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kmussack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only reason Spitzer got caught is because he had Paterson on Look-Out.
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Well played, man. I was thinking of all those SNL spoofs on Paterson when I read that.
I look at the Spitzer thing and frankly, I don't care who a person is sleeping with if he performs his job well. I guess that's simply because people who do their jobs well, especially in Spitzer's line of work, tend to be difficult to find. Would I prefer a guy who is faithful to his wife AND does his job well? Sure. But I'll never take a faithful but incompetent public servant over a horny yet skillful one. I guess everyone has to decide what's more important to them if they have to choose between imperfect options.
The Koreans have a great saying, "Do you avoid shit because you're afraid of it? Nope, you avoid it because it's dirty?" I think this is why we have such a limited pool to choose from for public servants. Oh well.
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
After a politician serves a term we oughta be able to give them an up or down vote, they get more downs than up, we hang them, thatd fix a problem or two across the country.
After a politician serves a term we oughta be able to give them an up or down vote, they get more downs than up, we hang them, thatd fix a problem or two across the country.
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Spitzer was good at his job. The idea that he should be faithful to his wife in order to avoid blackmail isn't really valid. If he gets blackmailed then it's his duty to bring it to the attention of the authorities as a crime in being committed. </div></div>
Hmmm, guessing you don't know a whole lot of people with clearances. You can be libertarian all you want but when it comes to the risk of you doing stupid things because you have done stupid things you wish to keep private, it is absolutely an issue. If you're man enough to bring it to the attention of authorities, you were probably man enough to make the blackmailers impotent to begin with... so you shouldn't be in a position to be blackmailed regardless.
If his wife came out and said "Look you idiots, we're swingers, I don't care. Do you have any idea what I've been doing ever friday?" This could have been cool. OTOH, it jacked up his marriage, and is therefore something he might have tried to hide or, worse, given favors to hide.
You don't get to keep secrets when you have those kind of secrets, and you ought not have power either. It's not about what you think is OK. Hell, anyone can bang anyone (excepting my wife) and I won't think less of them. It's about what the dumbass and his family/sponsors/friends think is OK and whether the person in question has the balls to look the fool to all of them, if doing such a thing makes him a fool to them.
I firmly believe in the way alphabet soups interview. I don't know if you can have casually murdered someone and still get any clearances, but I know you can do a whole lot of questionable things and the next question is "Who knows about this? Can anyone use this against you? Is this embarrassing?" If the important people around you don't know your secrets, you are too risky to grant access. It's not a policy made from thin air. People do stupid things to protect their image/reputation/private relationships. Spies use sex for access and for blackmail, absolutely.
It's not a puritan issue. Ignoring details of what actually happened... In europe, infidelity is accepted generally, especially in positions of power, and their leaders infidelites are barely mentioned, but can you imagine the leverage Russia or China could have had with Clinton before the story broke if they had solid evidence and were waiving it over his head? He did everything he could to circumvent the truth when solid evidence was presented domestically. We made "mistakes" giving some countries missile technology. Coincidence? I think so re: that issue, but why allow room for the question to be asked? Blackmail should be eliminated at the outset. No honesty / character with those you supposedly value should be looked at as a big red flag, and no way should you be able to trade in influence or info.
I'm completely pro hooker-buying rep, so long as someone gets a disclosure of knowledge from the wife before giving him the keys to the kingdom.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Spitzer was good at his job. The idea that he should be faithful to his wife in order to avoid blackmail isn't really valid. If he gets blackmailed then it's his duty to bring it to the attention of the authorities as a crime in being committed. </div></div>
Hmmm, guessing you don't know a whole lot of people with clearances. You can be libertarian all you want but when it comes to the risk of you doing stupid things because you have done stupid things you wish to keep private, it is absolutely an issue. If you're man enough to bring it to the attention of authorities, you were probably man enough to make the blackmailers impotent to begin with... so you shouldn't be in a position to be blackmailed regardless.
If his wife came out and said "Look you idiots, we're swingers, I don't care. Do you have any idea what I've been doing ever friday?" This could have been cool. OTOH, it jacked up his marriage, and is therefore something he might have tried to hide or, worse, given favors to hide.
You don't get to keep secrets when you have those kind of secrets, and you ought not have power either. It's not about what you think is OK. Hell, anyone can bang anyone (excepting my wife) and I won't think less of them. It's about what the dumbass and his family/sponsors/friends think is OK and whether the person in question has the balls to look the fool to all of them, if doing such a thing makes him a fool to them.
I firmly believe in the way alphabet soups interview. I don't know if you can have casually murdered someone and still get any clearances, but I know you can do a whole lot of questionable things and the next question is "Who knows about this? Can anyone use this against you? Is this embarrassing?" If the important people around you don't know your secrets, you are too risky to grant access. It's not a policy made from thin air. People do stupid things to protect their image/reputation/private relationships. Spies use sex for access and for blackmail, absolutely.
It's not a puritan issue. Ignoring details of what actually happened... In europe, infidelity is accepted generally, especially in positions of power, and their leaders infidelites are barely mentioned, but can you imagine the leverage Russia or China could have had with Clinton before the story broke if they had solid evidence and were waiving it over his head? He did everything he could to circumvent the truth when solid evidence was presented domestically. We made "mistakes" giving some countries missile technology. Coincidence? I think so re: that issue, but why allow room for the question to be asked? Blackmail should be eliminated at the outset. No honesty / character with those you supposedly value should be looked at as a big red flag, and no way should you be able to trade in influence or info.
I'm completely pro hooker-buying rep, so long as someone gets a disclosure of knowledge from the wife before giving him the keys to the kingdom.
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
You guys are judging a married man for being with a <span style="font-weight: bold">high priced</span> hooker?
His wife may not be putting out.
You don't pay a hooker for sex.. you pay her to leave and keep her mouth shut after you're done. It's better than him having a mistress.
A man with no pu$$y is unstable. Just read the internet gun forums for that confirmation.
Turn in your man cards... you queens.
You guys are judging a married man for being with a <span style="font-weight: bold">high priced</span> hooker?
His wife may not be putting out.
You don't pay a hooker for sex.. you pay her to leave and keep her mouth shut after you're done. It's better than him having a mistress.
A man with no pu$$y is unstable. Just read the internet gun forums for that confirmation.
Turn in your man cards... you queens.
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys are judging a married man for being with a <span style="font-weight: bold">high priced</span> hooker?
His wife may not be putting out.
You don't pay a hooker for sex.. you pay her to leave and keep her mouth shut after you're done. It's better than him having a mistress.
A man with no pu$$y is unstable. Just read the internet gun forums for that confirmation.
Turn in your man cards... you queens.</div></div>
I am definitely no queer but if the wife was not putting out I would be divorcing her before I would cheat on her. That's what happened to wife number one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys are judging a married man for being with a <span style="font-weight: bold">high priced</span> hooker?
His wife may not be putting out.
You don't pay a hooker for sex.. you pay her to leave and keep her mouth shut after you're done. It's better than him having a mistress.
A man with no pu$$y is unstable. Just read the internet gun forums for that confirmation.
Turn in your man cards... you queens.</div></div>
I am definitely no queer but if the wife was not putting out I would be divorcing her before I would cheat on her. That's what happened to wife number one.
Re: Get caught with a hooker...
Spitzer was good at his job?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Tell that to the gun dealers and business owners who faced absurd tax increases, ever greater regulation and the typical look the other way type of elective law enforcement of corrupt regimes.
I found this especially laughable,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Eventhorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Spitzer was an excellent public servant
who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. </div></div>
Ask Hank Greenberg how good a job that prick did.
A brief google search will reveal that Spitzer was far more than a shitbag who humiliated his wife, children and family.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/223893/spitzers-sins-spotlight/jim-copland
http://blog.kir.com/archives/2007/11/why_didnt_the_m.asp
http://www.liberallyconservative.com/eliot-spitzers-abuse-of-power-has-gone-full-circle/
Come on fellas, we have two heads, the upper one is the one we're supposed to be thinking with.
Now I can't wait to hear what defense Former Marine, "Vietnam veteran" (this last an eggregious lie, vigorously and frequently asserted) and Attorney General of Connecticut, Dick Blumenthal gets because he says the trendiest nasty things about "Wall Street Abuses"
Spitzer was good at his job...
Spitzer was good at his job?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Tell that to the gun dealers and business owners who faced absurd tax increases, ever greater regulation and the typical look the other way type of elective law enforcement of corrupt regimes.
I found this especially laughable,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Eventhorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Spitzer was an excellent public servant
who did a good job of not letting the banks and asshole traders get away with fraud and deception. </div></div>
Ask Hank Greenberg how good a job that prick did.
A brief google search will reveal that Spitzer was far more than a shitbag who humiliated his wife, children and family.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/223893/spitzers-sins-spotlight/jim-copland
http://blog.kir.com/archives/2007/11/why_didnt_the_m.asp
http://www.liberallyconservative.com/eliot-spitzers-abuse-of-power-has-gone-full-circle/
Come on fellas, we have two heads, the upper one is the one we're supposed to be thinking with.
Now I can't wait to hear what defense Former Marine, "Vietnam veteran" (this last an eggregious lie, vigorously and frequently asserted) and Attorney General of Connecticut, Dick Blumenthal gets because he says the trendiest nasty things about "Wall Street Abuses"
Spitzer was good at his job...
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