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Suppressors Getting Suppressor - YHM Phantom, Help w/ Process?

CleanMoostang

CleanMoostang

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#1
This coming year, probably with tax return, I have decided to take the Suppressor Quest with the ATF. I have wanted one for a long time, but I am now stuck on which rifle to sling one on.

Now before anyone is like "Easy, both!" my funds are limited to one gun, this year atleast. I have my Rock River Arms 5.56 Entry Tactical, or in less than a month I will have a new-to-me DPMS lr308b already shooting 6-700yd's but with a 18'' unthreaded barrel.

I would like everyone to chime in on which would be best to suppress.

My AR15 is currently set up with a 16'' 5.56 barrel and I use primarily for close range/home protection along with a Beretta.

The DPMS is like I said above, 18'' fluted unthreaded and carbon free-float. I plan to in the future also swap for a longer barrel.

Also please include your favorite brands, dimensions, etc. Thanks everyone as always for having tons of good feedback and support in advance!
 
#2
Re: Getting Suppressor - Stuck Between AR15 or LR308

I would get the .308 suppressor first, reason being that you can get a thread adapter for the AR-15, and use it on both, until you get a dedicated .223 can.
 
#3
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Get a 30 cal can and use it for both. Works well enough for me.
If you haven't been around them, gas guns firing supersonic ammo are not particularly quiet with the can on. They can, however, help with that earsplitting boom encoundered when taking a shot without earpro. Would have helped this morning... my left ear's still ringing a little from the coyote I shot before work.
CW
 
#4
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would get the .308 suppressor first, reason being that you can get a thread adapter for the AR-15, and use it on both, until you get a dedicated .223 can. </div></div>

I didnt know they was interchangable? But then again I dont know much about threading for suppressors but I have been reading a lot how they work..

I kind of wanted to go with the .308 first, because nothing says bada$$ more than shooting 500+ yards out and not making a sound except when hitting the AR500.

Care to suggest any brands? I really like the looks and reviews I have been seeing on Jet Suppressors and Gemtech
 
#5
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For two years I used my 308 silencer on my AR15. I threaded the AR for the silencer and used it. It did not suppress as well as my new Gemtech made for the .223, but it did pretty well. My advice, buy a .30 cal silencer and have your AR threaded for it. You can always rethread for a dedicated .223 silencer later.
 
#6
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cwshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a 30 cal can and use it for both. Works well enough for me.
If you haven't been around them, gas guns firing supersonic ammo are not particularly quiet with the can on. They can, however, help with that earsplitting boom encoundered when taking a shot without earpro. Would have helped this morning... my left ear's still ringing a little from the coyote I shot before work.
CW </div></div>

30cal?! Never heard of this, but looks like 2 ppl have now posted about them..
 
#7
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Get a shark can. http://www.sharksuppressors.com/Product.aspx?id=1

The shark is a .308 can. It allows for the thread adapter to be changed. If you use a 3/4 or 5/8 on the .308 you can swap it with a 1/2 for the .223 in a matter of a minute. Swap back and forth. Its also very light so it wont creat a lot of extra weight on the .223. David is a great guy to deal with.
 
#8
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Check out Tactical Suppressed Weapons 30cal can. Works great on my 308, 300 win mag, and ar's in muliple calipers. just get the guns threaded to fit or get an adapter to make it fit.
 
#9
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I find suppressed bolt guns much more fun than suppressed gas guns.

It doesn't get much more fun than a suppressed 308 bolt gun with standard supersonic ammo.
 
#10
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AAC 762SD is what I would use if you are swapping between host. Use the 762SD mount on the .308 rifle and get a M4-2000 mount on the AR15. The 762SD will fit on the M4-2000 mount. Then later down the road get a M4-2000 for the AR15.
 
#11
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AAC 762SD is what I would use if you are swapping between host. Use the 762SD mount on the .308 rifle and get a M4-2000 mount on the AR15.</div></div>

You can run the AAC brake on both which is EXTREMLY effective. Great can!! I run one on everything .308 and under. Sounds great on my 6.5x47 & 243ai.
 
#15
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If you are going to get a 30 cal suppressor, I would get one that would share mounts with it's smaller 556 cousin. Personally, I am not a fan of running screw on adapters.
 
#16
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from my research the 762SD seems to be the way to go.

They will make a mount for 308, 5.56, even an AK47 if you are brave enough
 
#17
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Get a 308 suppressor and run it on both caliber rifles.

you can get moderately priced, but heavy duty can from YHM. Its in the $650-$750 range depending on QD or thread on.

Or spend a little more for less weight and go AAC 762SD

I would go AAC and save weight since you are running carbines.
 
#18
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I have a .30 cal YHM Phantom I run on AKs, ARs and a .308 bolt gun. I don't think its effectiveness is a great deal worse on a .223 than on a .308. But as KYS338 notes, it makes a carbine pretty muzzle-heavy.

The YHMs are among the cans that mount via a Quick Disconnect. The QD has three major advantages. First, a can needs to be torqued each time it's mounted to keep it from shooting loose. Using a torqued QD instead lets you remove and remount the can without being bothered with re-torquing. Plus, when you remove the can, you've still got a brake in place. Second, the threads for a muzzle brake are fairly fine and delicate. The threads on a QD are coarse and robust and dramatically reduce the possibility of cross-threading while mounting in a moment of stress. Third, some rifles, like the AKs, mount the muzzle brake using left-hand threads. A left-hand threaded QD allows me to use the same can on AKs and ARs. If my can threaded directly to the barrel, I'd need a second specifically to use on weapons with LH threaded muzzle brakes.
 
#19
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Alright after reading everyones suggestions and thinking on them harshly, I am going to get the YHM Phantom 7.62 with QD.

Now, I know its going to be a little while before I get to order this, but I would like to get everything straightened out before hand so when I have my cash, I am ready to go.

I have a lawyer who is a friend of the family and would probably help me out, and I dont have access to Willmaker, so someone set me in the right direction!
 
#20
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He cant just be a lawyer. He needs to be well versed in NFA/ATF language. Specifically to make you a Trust that is going to pertain to firearms related property. I went the Quicken way at first then had it amended and rewritten by a lawyer in Florida, sent to my local lawyer and proof read. I can recommend him but it's not free. You will pay for the services of both lawyers, but in my opinion is worth it and the security knowing your safe and your family thats got to take it over when you croak eventually.
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He cant just be a lawyer. He needs to be well versed in NFA/ATF language. Specifically to make you a Trust that is going to pertain to firearms related property. I went the Quicken way at first then had it amended and rewritten by a lawyer in Florida, sent to my local lawyer and proof read. I can recommend him but it's not free. <span style="color: #FF0000">You will pay for the services of both lawyers, but in my opinion is worth it and the security knowing your safe and your family thats got to take it over when you croak eventually.</span> </div></div>


I couldnt agree with you more bud, I've also sent you a PM so if you could check that out and reply back, I'd be a happy guy! Thanks again everyone, love always getting great help on here!
 
#22
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you can get a QD for a 223 that will accept the same can that fits the 308 QD mount. i couldnt tell if that was clear from the posts.

this 223/556 is shorter than the 308/762

IMAG0029.jpg


and the 308/762 version with can

YHM-3300A_2.jpg
 
#23
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you can get a QD for a 223 that will accept the same can that fits the 308 QD mount. i couldnt tell if that was clear from the posts.

this 223/556 is shorter than the 308/762

IMAG0029.jpg


and the 308/762 version with can

YHM-3300A_2.jpg
</div></div>


So when I purchase the YHM and order the QD for my DPMS, I can also buy a QD to fit my RRA556 and the YHM fit on it also? That would be extremely helpful.
 
#24
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I have always been curious about getting a suppressor for any rifle or pistol actually. I always thought it would be more fun to hunt with (considering it is usually a few of us guys who hunt together) so I don't spook the game as bad. But the only things I know about it is that you need to submit an application to the ATF with I think it was 200 dollars. Thats about as much as I know, do you need a lawyer to do this?
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zugustaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have always been curious about getting a suppressor for any rifle or pistol actually. I always thought it would be more fun to hunt with (considering it is usually a few of us guys who hunt together) so I don't spook the game as bad. But the only things I know about it is that you need to submit an application to the ATF with I think it was 200 dollars. Thats about as much as I know, do you need a lawyer to do this? </div></div>

From what I understand this is the best process
Pick out the Class3 item you want
Save your money up, plus the extra 200
Contact a lawyer to set up a trust, or do one with Quicken
Wait a little while for your ATF request to be returned, go pick up your item from the Class3 dealer.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zugustaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you have to do this with each item you purchase? </div></div>

I think so yes,
Each item is another registry and another 200 stamp
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you have to do this with each item you purchase?</div></div>
To use a trust for NFA items:
1) Create a Living trust with an attorney experienced with NFA trusts,
2) Purchase NFA item (suppressor, SBR lowers, etc.)
3) The Class 3 dealer will file paperwork. He/she will need a copy of your trust, updated Schedule A which is a list of items in your trust, completed application, and $200 tax stamp/processing fee to BATFE,
4) Wait,
5) Receive application with tax stamp back, which you'll keep for permanent record,
6) Take new baby home to papa.

Yes, each new NFA item needs to go through process 2 through 6.
Hope that helps, it was a learning process for me...
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so is it required to have a trust drawn up?</div></div>
You can purchase a suppressor individually, but a trust has several advantages:
1) Other family members designated in the trust can use it without your presence (if you want that),
2) If you die, other trust members continue to own and use it through the trust without further paperwork,
3) In an emergency, designated members can handle the NFA item (otherwise it can only sit in a safe unless you handle it),
4) Trust members can be changed at any time, saving further paperwork.
There's other benefits, but that covers the basics. If you're a single young guy, maybe an individual transfer is the best route.
 
#31
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And not to change topic but you mentions lowers being class 3 so would that mean buys a complete rifle will also be class 3? For example I'm going to try and buy a Armalite Super SASS will i have to do these steps for it as well?
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zugustaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And not to change topic but you mentions lowers being class 3 so would that mean buys a complete rifle will also be class 3? For example I'm going to try and buy a Armalite Super SASS will i have to do these steps for it as well? </div></div>No, he mentioned SBR lowers being NFA weapons. SBR stands for Short Barreled Rifle.
 
#35
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGTBrow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a YHM Phantom in 223 and love it. My dad also has one in 762 and uses it on his FNAR as well as his FS2000 and reg ARs. Its barely noticeable sound wise. </div></div>

Glad to hear this, care to share exactly where you ordered from?

Im thinking about going through class3weapons.com
 
#36
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If your class three dealer knows any thing he may be able to set the trust up for you. My dealer did the trust for free and I have went through the process three times and approval on all three. I also have Quicken and it's pretty much the same trust tweaked for NFA items. So you don't need a lawyer necessarily.
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chalwie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so is it required to have a trust drawn up?</div></div>
You can purchase a suppressor individually, but a trust has several advantages:
1) Other family members designated in the trust can use it without your presence (if you want that),
2) If you die, other trust members continue to own and use it through the trust without further paperwork,
3) In an emergency, designated members can handle the NFA item (otherwise it can only sit in a safe unless you handle it),
4) Trust members can be changed at any time, saving further paperwork.
There's other benefits, but that covers the basics. If you're a single young guy, maybe an individual transfer is the best route. </div></div>

For item 1) I question the validity of this statement. I was under the impression that the person named on the form 4 was the only person allowed to use it alone. No one else can use it without the named person present, regardless if their name is in the trust. The name on the form 4 is what counts.

For item 2) The beauty of the trust is when you expire the person named in the trust can transfer the form 4 without another $200 tax stamp. You still have paper work to transfer via the ATF, just no cost for it.

Item 3) I don't think this is valid. What emergency? Death is the only emergency I was aware of. Even then the can sits in estate and can not be used until the form 4 is released from the ATF to the named person in the trust and on the form 4.

In addition the form 4 or copy must be present at all times when using the suppressor. Also the person named on the can must be there. No other conditions or situation applies.
 
#38
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You don't have to have a copy of the form 4 present. There is no law saying that you need to have it present with the NFA item. But it is always a good idea to have it with the said NFA item.
 
#39
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For item 1) I question the validity of this statement. I was under the impression that the person named on the form 4 was the only person allowed to use it alone. No one else can use it without the named person present, regardless if their name is in the trust. The name on the form 4 is what counts.

For item 2) The beauty of the trust is when you expire the person named in the trust can transfer the form 4 without another $200 tax stamp. You still have paper work to transfer via the ATF, just no cost for it.

Item 3) I don't think this is valid. What emergency? Death is the only emergency I was aware of. Even then the can sits in estate and can not be used until the form 4 is released from the ATF to the named person in the trust and on the form 4.

In addition the form 4 or copy must be present at all times when using the suppressor. Also the person named on the can must be there. No other conditions or situation applies.</div></div>

Yes, each trustee has individual rights to use the NFA item in the trust. This use includes independently and emergencies (which is redundant). If grantor is not home, a trustee could use the NFA item in self defense - that is what I meant by emergency. The individual purchasing the NFA item is the grantor, giving ownership and legal rights to trustees of the trust - essentially giving up individual rights in favor of the trust. Upon death or disability, the trust defines how the ownership rights of the item(s) is transferred; which needs to be correctly addressed by the attorney. If not addressed correctly, then it is necessary to use the traditional route of a Form 5 transfer. Worse, the lapse until the legalities are worked out makes it impossible for the surviving trustee(s) to handle the items. These small details are why it is not advised to make an NFA trust through programs such as Willmaker, because an attorney specifically experienced with NFA trusts will address them and explain it to the client.
And as Bacarrat stated, a Form 4 with tax stamp is not necessary to be with items during use. However, one cannot rely on a LEO's knowledge in time of question. So, it is a good idea to make a small copy of the Form 4 with tax stamp - laminate it and keep it inside the guns' storage compartment.

I would advise not to take my word for these remarks, but ask any of the growing number of attorneys experienced with NFA trusts.
 
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