Go-To optic for SCAR 17
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Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
I used a Vortex viper 1-4x24 over the weekend was a really nice scope for the money. Msrp is around 500 which is half the price of the acog.
Check this review http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/527121_Vortex_Viper_PST_1_4x24_Review__picture_heavy_.html
I used a Vortex viper 1-4x24 over the weekend was a really nice scope for the money. Msrp is around 500 which is half the price of the acog.
Check this review http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/527121_Vortex_Viper_PST_1_4x24_Review__picture_heavy_.html
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
I have nothing but great things to say about the Burris XTR 1-4
I have used many of the 1-4x line and ended my search with the XTR which I still have. Great scope for the money.
I have nothing but great things to say about the Burris XTR 1-4
I have used many of the 1-4x line and ended my search with the XTR which I still have. Great scope for the money.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schmit55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the majority approved low-power scope for a medium range SCAR 17S. Is it still the 1-5X trijicon? Or did something new come out. Other than a 2500 dollar Leupold or CQSS that is! </div></div> this all comes down to money you want to spend as their are lots of optics that will fit your needs. All those you listed are great and let me throw in couple more: USO SN-3S - 1.8 x 10 or SN4S - 1.5 x 6. I started the year with zero USO's and now I am working on my second. I had never even heard of USO Optic until I came to Sniper's Hide...the glass is top notch and they are made in the USA so what is not to like. You already paid big bucks for the SCAR so give it something nice to top it off.
I do have a Vortex PST 1 x 4 on a 6.8mm that I use for hunting. It is a nice optic and I have other Vortex's and they stand behind their product pretty much in all cases. If you want to spend below 500 bucks for an optic this is a very versatile scope. You can also look at their 2.5 x 10 too in the same PST system.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schmit55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the majority approved low-power scope for a medium range SCAR 17S. Is it still the 1-5X trijicon? Or did something new come out. Other than a 2500 dollar Leupold or CQSS that is! </div></div> this all comes down to money you want to spend as their are lots of optics that will fit your needs. All those you listed are great and let me throw in couple more: USO SN-3S - 1.8 x 10 or SN4S - 1.5 x 6. I started the year with zero USO's and now I am working on my second. I had never even heard of USO Optic until I came to Sniper's Hide...the glass is top notch and they are made in the USA so what is not to like. You already paid big bucks for the SCAR so give it something nice to top it off.
I do have a Vortex PST 1 x 4 on a 6.8mm that I use for hunting. It is a nice optic and I have other Vortex's and they stand behind their product pretty much in all cases. If you want to spend below 500 bucks for an optic this is a very versatile scope. You can also look at their 2.5 x 10 too in the same PST system.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
Plan on mounting MARK 4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm(30mm)m2 Illum. TMR along with a 1 o'clock red dot on my Scout EBR and was thinking about doing the same set up if I can make my mind up between the LMT or Scar. Thinking behind this set up is I will have something 100 yards and in then the mark 4 for anything further kinda the same set up as a G36.
Plan on mounting MARK 4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm(30mm)m2 Illum. TMR along with a 1 o'clock red dot on my Scout EBR and was thinking about doing the same set up if I can make my mind up between the LMT or Scar. Thinking behind this set up is I will have something 100 yards and in then the mark 4 for anything further kinda the same set up as a G36.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schmit55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the majority approved low-power scope for a medium range SCAR 17S. Is it still the 1-5X trijicon? Or did something new come out. Other than a 2500 dollar Leupold or CQSS that is! </div></div>
elcan 1-4x
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schmit55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the majority approved low-power scope for a medium range SCAR 17S. Is it still the 1-5X trijicon? Or did something new come out. Other than a 2500 dollar Leupold or CQSS that is! </div></div>
elcan 1-4x
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
I run a NF 2.5-10 on my 17
...or an Aimpoint T1 for closer stuff.
Considering putting on one of my Leupy 1.5-5's to drop a little weight [that NF is a little chunky compared to the Leupy]
FWIW
I run a NF 2.5-10 on my 17
...or an Aimpoint T1 for closer stuff.
Considering putting on one of my Leupy 1.5-5's to drop a little weight [that NF is a little chunky compared to the Leupy]
FWIW
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
I'm thinking low power variable. That why I suggested the trijicon TR24 (not a fixed power acog)
The CQBSS is crazy $$$ as well. The gun is pushing 3k alone - so a bushnell would just be silly looking.
Might be on to something with the ELCAN...
I'm thinking low power variable. That why I suggested the trijicon TR24 (not a fixed power acog)
The CQBSS is crazy $$$ as well. The gun is pushing 3k alone - so a bushnell would just be silly looking.
Might be on to something with the ELCAN...
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
I don't normally go to arfcom but this is a good read:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/421244_.html
I don't normally go to arfcom but this is a good read:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/421244_.html
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
elcan, shortdot.... i think these may be outside the OP's budget(as well as mine LOl)
elcan, shortdot.... i think these may be outside the OP's budget(as well as mine LOl)
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
How about the SS 1-4 HD. When i'm in the same boat as you are (soon), it's what i will be looking at.
How about the SS 1-4 HD. When i'm in the same boat as you are (soon), it's what i will be looking at.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
I have been using an Elcan 1.5-6 and it is perfect. Though I did use a SWFA SS 3-9 and the 1-4 on it as well. Both SS optics worked great and I would not hesitate to use either of them on the SCAR17 in the future.
I have been using an Elcan 1.5-6 and it is perfect. Though I did use a SWFA SS 3-9 and the 1-4 on it as well. Both SS optics worked great and I would not hesitate to use either of them on the SCAR17 in the future.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
SN-3s 1.8-10x or SN-4 1.5-6X.
Will your shooting be short (0-300yds) or long (300+ yds)?
I think 6X would be enough for a Scar in .308.
Good luck.
SN-3s 1.8-10x or SN-4 1.5-6X.
Will your shooting be short (0-300yds) or long (300+ yds)?
I think 6X would be enough for a Scar in .308.
Good luck.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
Might want to choose something high quality. There seem to be something about the SCAR's recoil impulse that is eating up optics. I've seen two ACOGs bite the dust and a Mk4 slip in its mount. Not that it happens all the time but 17 can be a beast so its best to have something that can keep up with it. Elcans seem to be doing well.
Might want to choose something high quality. There seem to be something about the SCAR's recoil impulse that is eating up optics. I've seen two ACOGs bite the dust and a Mk4 slip in its mount. Not that it happens all the time but 17 can be a beast so its best to have something that can keep up with it. Elcans seem to be doing well.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RoBird</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might want to choose something high quality. There seem to be something about the SCAR's recoil impulse that is eating up optics. I've seen two ACOGs bite the dust and a Mk4 slip in its mount. Not that it happens all the time but 17 can be a beast so its best to have something that can keep up with it. Elcans seem to be doing well. </div></div>
I would say the ACOGS were from something else. I have seen one handle a .50 so I doubt there is an issue with recoil.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RoBird</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might want to choose something high quality. There seem to be something about the SCAR's recoil impulse that is eating up optics. I've seen two ACOGs bite the dust and a Mk4 slip in its mount. Not that it happens all the time but 17 can be a beast so its best to have something that can keep up with it. Elcans seem to be doing well. </div></div>
I would say the ACOGS were from something else. I have seen one handle a .50 so I doubt there is an issue with recoil.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
I'd think one of those Kruger DTS Gen 2's would be fun on it, but I have no idea about their build/glass quality
I'd think one of those Kruger DTS Gen 2's would be fun on it, but I have no idea about their build/glass quality
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RoBird</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might want to choose something high quality. There seem to be something about the SCAR's recoil impulse that is eating up optics. I've seen two ACOGs bite the dust and a Mk4 slip in its mount. Not that it happens all the time but 17 can be a beast so its best to have something that can keep up with it. Elcans seem to be doing well. </div></div>
I would say the ACOGS were from something else. I have seen one handle a .50 so I doubt there is an issue with recoil. </div></div>
Well I'm not exactly sure what's going on with the SCARs but I believe there is something about the way they recoil that is rough on optics. I know it's only 7.62, but I think it's the unique recoil impulse created by the mass of the bolt carrier and the alloys of the receivers. Admittedly this is only a theory as I haven't had the time to prove or disprove it. In the past few months I've seen both 16s and 17s beat the shit out of some optics, mainly ACOGs, Elcans and Mk4s as that’s what most guys in my unit are running. It is by no means an epidemic, most guys haven’t had any issues but a handful of incidents have taking place in which zeros are lost or seem to wonder for no apparent reason. Also as I mentioned earlier I've seen optics which were properly mounted slide/rotate in there mounts and in one case actually come off the rail. I'm certainly not trying to scare anyone away from the SCARs but when considering optics I would advise something rugged.
The ACOGs are honestly the ones I don't trust, particularly the TA31 series. I know a lot folks love them but I haven't had good luck with them. I've been in the military for the last 9 years and no matter what they're mounted on the same issues I keep see are failures to maintain zeros and mounts coming lose. The two ACOGs in question that I mentioned earlier where brand new out of the box never been used. Both my medic and I decided to mount them on our SCARs 16's. That lasted about two weeks as neither ACOG could maintain a zero during extend range sessions. Also had a 17 work one right of the rail.
The out of the few optics I've used, I'd say Elcan Specter seems to have the best track record. I've only seen one that had an issue on while mounted on a SCAR \and I honestly can't tag the issues solely on the SCAR as that Elcan was pretty beat up by the time I got it and I'm unaware of its prior historys.
Anyways those are just my opinions based off my experiences.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RoBird</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might want to choose something high quality. There seem to be something about the SCAR's recoil impulse that is eating up optics. I've seen two ACOGs bite the dust and a Mk4 slip in its mount. Not that it happens all the time but 17 can be a beast so its best to have something that can keep up with it. Elcans seem to be doing well. </div></div>
I would say the ACOGS were from something else. I have seen one handle a .50 so I doubt there is an issue with recoil. </div></div>
Well I'm not exactly sure what's going on with the SCARs but I believe there is something about the way they recoil that is rough on optics. I know it's only 7.62, but I think it's the unique recoil impulse created by the mass of the bolt carrier and the alloys of the receivers. Admittedly this is only a theory as I haven't had the time to prove or disprove it. In the past few months I've seen both 16s and 17s beat the shit out of some optics, mainly ACOGs, Elcans and Mk4s as that’s what most guys in my unit are running. It is by no means an epidemic, most guys haven’t had any issues but a handful of incidents have taking place in which zeros are lost or seem to wonder for no apparent reason. Also as I mentioned earlier I've seen optics which were properly mounted slide/rotate in there mounts and in one case actually come off the rail. I'm certainly not trying to scare anyone away from the SCARs but when considering optics I would advise something rugged.
The ACOGs are honestly the ones I don't trust, particularly the TA31 series. I know a lot folks love them but I haven't had good luck with them. I've been in the military for the last 9 years and no matter what they're mounted on the same issues I keep see are failures to maintain zeros and mounts coming lose. The two ACOGs in question that I mentioned earlier where brand new out of the box never been used. Both my medic and I decided to mount them on our SCARs 16's. That lasted about two weeks as neither ACOG could maintain a zero during extend range sessions. Also had a 17 work one right of the rail.
The out of the few optics I've used, I'd say Elcan Specter seems to have the best track record. I've only seen one that had an issue on while mounted on a SCAR \and I honestly can't tag the issues solely on the SCAR as that Elcan was pretty beat up by the time I got it and I'm unaware of its prior historys.
Anyways those are just my opinions based off my experiences.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: P Henry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nightforce NXS 2.5-10x32.
19 oz. </div></div>
+1. From what i've read and heard this gun is very accurate out to 600+ yards and a mid power scope would help at those distances. If shooting 0-400 yards I'd go with a Acog with the 308 bullet drop rectile.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: P Henry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nightforce NXS 2.5-10x32.
19 oz. </div></div>
+1. From what i've read and heard this gun is very accurate out to 600+ yards and a mid power scope would help at those distances. If shooting 0-400 yards I'd go with a Acog with the 308 bullet drop rectile.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RoBird</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Well I'm not exactly sure what's going on with the SCARs but I believe there is something about the way they recoil that is rough on optics. I know it's only 7.62, but I think it's the unique recoil impulse created by the mass of the bolt carrier and the alloys of the receivers. Admittedly this is only a theory as I haven't had the time to prove or disprove it. In the past few months I've seen both 16s and 17s beat the shit out of some optics, mainly ACOGs, Elcans and Mk4s as that’s what most guys in my unit are running. It is by no means an epidemic, most guys haven’t had any issues but a handful of incidents have taking place in which zeros are lost or seem to wonder for no apparent reason. Also as I mentioned earlier I've seen optics which were properly mounted slide/rotate in there mounts and in one case actually come off the rail. I'm certainly not trying to scare anyone away from the SCARs but when considering optics I would advise something rugged.
The ACOGs are honestly the ones I don't trust, particularly the TA31 series. I know a lot folks love them but I haven't had good luck with them. I've been in the military for the last 9 years and no matter what they're mounted on the same issues I keep see are failures to maintain zeros and mounts coming lose. The two ACOGs in question that I mentioned earlier where brand new out of the box never been used. Both my medic and I decided to mount them on our SCARs 16's. That lasted about two weeks as neither ACOG could maintain a zero during extend range sessions. Also had a 17 work one right of the rail.
The out of the few optics I've used, I'd say Elcan Specter seems to have the best track record. I've only seen one that had an issue on while mounted on a SCAR \and I honestly can't tag the issues solely on the SCAR as that Elcan was pretty beat up by the time I got it and I'm unaware of its prior historys.
Anyways those are just my opinions based off my experiences.
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Wow! I thought Acogs where the cats ass of fixxed type scopes. Especially for the military. I can't imagine Acogs failing so easy. They are known for being some of the most rugged & dependable scopes out there. Not holding zero and falling off the rails sounds like maybe a batch of falty mounts, or mounting errors IMHO.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RoBird</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Well I'm not exactly sure what's going on with the SCARs but I believe there is something about the way they recoil that is rough on optics. I know it's only 7.62, but I think it's the unique recoil impulse created by the mass of the bolt carrier and the alloys of the receivers. Admittedly this is only a theory as I haven't had the time to prove or disprove it. In the past few months I've seen both 16s and 17s beat the shit out of some optics, mainly ACOGs, Elcans and Mk4s as that’s what most guys in my unit are running. It is by no means an epidemic, most guys haven’t had any issues but a handful of incidents have taking place in which zeros are lost or seem to wonder for no apparent reason. Also as I mentioned earlier I've seen optics which were properly mounted slide/rotate in there mounts and in one case actually come off the rail. I'm certainly not trying to scare anyone away from the SCARs but when considering optics I would advise something rugged.
The ACOGs are honestly the ones I don't trust, particularly the TA31 series. I know a lot folks love them but I haven't had good luck with them. I've been in the military for the last 9 years and no matter what they're mounted on the same issues I keep see are failures to maintain zeros and mounts coming lose. The two ACOGs in question that I mentioned earlier where brand new out of the box never been used. Both my medic and I decided to mount them on our SCARs 16's. That lasted about two weeks as neither ACOG could maintain a zero during extend range sessions. Also had a 17 work one right of the rail.
The out of the few optics I've used, I'd say Elcan Specter seems to have the best track record. I've only seen one that had an issue on while mounted on a SCAR \and I honestly can't tag the issues solely on the SCAR as that Elcan was pretty beat up by the time I got it and I'm unaware of its prior historys.
Anyways those are just my opinions based off my experiences.
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Wow! I thought Acogs where the cats ass of fixxed type scopes. Especially for the military. I can't imagine Acogs failing so easy. They are known for being some of the most rugged & dependable scopes out there. Not holding zero and falling off the rails sounds like maybe a batch of falty mounts, or mounting errors IMHO.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
The primary difference in the SCAR series is the mass of the bolt carrier. The carrier when it returns the bolt to battery creates a stronger negative recoil impulse than many scopes can handle. This is the same reason spring piston air rifles can destroy some otherwise high end scopes. Most scopes are optimized to deal with recoil in one direction. NF is one that designs for both directions. Regular AR pattern rifles will destroy lesser scopes as well given sufficient round counts.
The primary difference in the SCAR series is the mass of the bolt carrier. The carrier when it returns the bolt to battery creates a stronger negative recoil impulse than many scopes can handle. This is the same reason spring piston air rifles can destroy some otherwise high end scopes. Most scopes are optimized to deal with recoil in one direction. NF is one that designs for both directions. Regular AR pattern rifles will destroy lesser scopes as well given sufficient round counts.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
I have a mark4 mrt ill ret m2 dials with near 1000rnds through my 17s with absolutely no problems or complaints. Makes about the perfect pair in my opinion. Small lightweight reliable package capable of shooting most anything that needs to be shot.
I have a mark4 mrt ill ret m2 dials with near 1000rnds through my 17s with absolutely no problems or complaints. Makes about the perfect pair in my opinion. Small lightweight reliable package capable of shooting most anything that needs to be shot.
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I'm not exactly sure what's going on with the SCARs but I believe there is something about the way they recoil that is rough on optics. I know it's only 7.62, but I think it's the unique recoil impulse created by the mass of the bolt carrier and the alloys of the receivers. Admittedly this is only a theory as I haven't had the time to prove or disprove it. In the past few months I've seen both 16s and 17s beat the shit out of some optics, mainly ACOGs, Elcans and Mk4s as that’s what most guys in my unit are running. It is by no means an epidemic, most guys haven’t had any issues but a handful of incidents have taking place in which zeros are lost or seem to wonder for no apparent reason. Also as I mentioned earlier I've seen optics which were properly mounted slide/rotate in there mounts and in one case actually come off the rail. I'm certainly not trying to scare anyone away from the SCARs but when considering optics I would advise something rugged.
The ACOGs are honestly the ones I don't trust, particularly the TA31 series. I know a lot folks love them but I haven't had good luck with them. I've been in the military for the last 9 years and no matter what they're mounted on the same issues I keep see are failures to maintain zeros and mounts coming lose. The two ACOGs in question that I mentioned earlier where brand new out of the box never been used. Both my medic and I decided to mount them on our SCARs 16's. That lasted about two weeks as neither ACOG could maintain a zero during extend range sessions. Also had a 17 work one right of the rail.
The out of the few optics I've used, I'd say Elcan Specter seems to have the best track record. I've only seen one that had an issue on while mounted on a SCAR \and I honestly can't tag the issues solely on the SCAR as that Elcan was pretty beat up by the time I got it and I'm unaware of its prior historys.
Anyways those are just my opinions based off my experiences.
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second this, I had an acog on a 17 in theater and had the same results, then i threw on an elcan and it was smooth sailing from there, that is until i swapped the scar for a mk18
an elcan would be the way to go, that is after you give up your arm and leg for it
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I'm not exactly sure what's going on with the SCARs but I believe there is something about the way they recoil that is rough on optics. I know it's only 7.62, but I think it's the unique recoil impulse created by the mass of the bolt carrier and the alloys of the receivers. Admittedly this is only a theory as I haven't had the time to prove or disprove it. In the past few months I've seen both 16s and 17s beat the shit out of some optics, mainly ACOGs, Elcans and Mk4s as that’s what most guys in my unit are running. It is by no means an epidemic, most guys haven’t had any issues but a handful of incidents have taking place in which zeros are lost or seem to wonder for no apparent reason. Also as I mentioned earlier I've seen optics which were properly mounted slide/rotate in there mounts and in one case actually come off the rail. I'm certainly not trying to scare anyone away from the SCARs but when considering optics I would advise something rugged.
The ACOGs are honestly the ones I don't trust, particularly the TA31 series. I know a lot folks love them but I haven't had good luck with them. I've been in the military for the last 9 years and no matter what they're mounted on the same issues I keep see are failures to maintain zeros and mounts coming lose. The two ACOGs in question that I mentioned earlier where brand new out of the box never been used. Both my medic and I decided to mount them on our SCARs 16's. That lasted about two weeks as neither ACOG could maintain a zero during extend range sessions. Also had a 17 work one right of the rail.
The out of the few optics I've used, I'd say Elcan Specter seems to have the best track record. I've only seen one that had an issue on while mounted on a SCAR \and I honestly can't tag the issues solely on the SCAR as that Elcan was pretty beat up by the time I got it and I'm unaware of its prior historys.
Anyways those are just my opinions based off my experiences.
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second this, I had an acog on a 17 in theater and had the same results, then i threw on an elcan and it was smooth sailing from there, that is until i swapped the scar for a mk18
an elcan would be the way to go, that is after you give up your arm and leg for it
Re: Go-To optic for SCAR 17
I have an ACOG on mine which is pretty nice. The eye relief on the ACOG isn't that good as you have to really get close to the scope to get a good field of view.
I have an ACOG on mine which is pretty nice. The eye relief on the ACOG isn't that good as you have to really get close to the scope to get a good field of view.
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