Grand Solar Minimum

[OldSalty2]

If accurate,...In a few words, bundle up....

Professor Valentina Zharkova: "We Entered the 'Modern' Grand Solar Minimum on June 8, 2020" - Electroverse

Zharkova's analysis suggests that a repeat of a Maunder Minimum-style spell of global cooling will run through 2020–2053.

electroverse.net

Full analysis

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23328940.2020.1796243

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Basically a "little ice age", which had happened periodically throughout human history. One particularly longer one occurred around 800AD and may have caused farmlands in Scandinavia to become frozen solid for most of the year, leading to very poor agricultural yields. The various clans and tribes making up the Vikings, who were actually experienced farmers, livestock ranchers and town builders, suddenly found themselves facing potential starvation during this time and this may have caused them to take to their ships and recultivate a fearsome maritime warrior tradition, raiding and settling other parts of Europe for food, animals, and farming land. This little ice age ended around 1066, right around the Norman conquest of England. By the time the armies of the First Crusade had captured Jerusalem, the entire northern hemisphere had started warming up unprecedentedly, up to 15%... And the 1100s to the 1340s saw some of the most bountiful harvests in Europe. Incidentally, another little ice age plunged the north lands into a partial deep freeze unfit for long term agricultural cultivation around 1345 or so, and that could have been one of the motivations for the English king Edward I to suddenly declare war on and invade France around the same time...

 

[theLBC]

 

[Son of Dorn]

Basically a "little ice age", which had happened periodically throughout human history. One particularly longer one occurred around 800AD and may have caused farmlands in Scandinavia to become frozen solid for most of the year, leading to very poor agricultural yields. The various clans and tribes making up the Vikings, who were actually experienced farmers, livestock ranchers and town builders, suddenly found themselves facing potential starvation during this time and this may have caused them to take to their ships and recultivate a fearsome maritime warrior tradition, raiding and settling other parts of Europe for food, animals, and farming land. This little ice age ended around 1066, right around the Norman conquest of England. By the time the armies of the First Crusade had captured Jerusalem, the entire northern hemisphere had started warming up unprecedentedly, up to 15%... And the 1100s to the 1340s saw some of the most bountiful harvests in Europe. Incidentally, another little ice age plunged the north lands into a partial deep freeze unfit for long term agricultural cultivation around 1345 or so, and that could have been one of the motivations for the English king Edward I to suddenly declare war on and invade France around the same time...

You mean to tell me that the book my archaeology course in college used to describe how the assorted warming/cooling cycles throughout the thousands of years we've walked this earth affected the migratory and sedentary peoples was [gasp] ACCURATE?!

And the earth really does go through cycles of warming and cooling to the extent that "little ice ages" in the 19th century allowed the Thames to FREEZE OVER THICK ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO BURN FIRES ON IT?

And we're not necessarily all doomed from global warming because it's a natural phenomenon that we've survived heaps of times in the past?

Well my goodness gracious, who'd-a thunk it?

 

[theLBC]

You mean to tell me that the book my archaeology course in college used to describe how the assorted warming/cooling cycles throughout the thousands of years we've walked this earth affected the migratory and sedentary peoples was [gasp] ACCURATE?!

And the earth really does go through cycles of warming and cooling to the extent that "little ice ages" in the 19th century allowed the Thames to FREEZE OVER THICK ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO BURN FIRES ON IT?

And we're not necessarily all doomed from global warming because it's a natural phenomenon that we've survived heaps of times in the past?

Well my goodness gracious, who'd-a thunk it?

it is like they never looked at tree rings

 

[candyx]

You mean to tell me that the book my archaeology course in college used to describe how the assorted warming/cooling cycles throughout the thousands of years we've walked this earth affected the migratory and sedentary peoples was [gasp] ACCURATE?!

And the earth really does go through cycles of warming and cooling to the extent that "little ice ages" in the 19th century allowed the Thames to FREEZE OVER THICK ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO BURN FIRES ON IT?

And we're not necessarily all doomed from global warming because it's a natural phenomenon that we've survived heaps of times in the past?

Well my goodness gracious, who'd-a thunk it?

Try selling that to AOC and the Farting Cow Council . Global Warming is real said the Democrats , and thats the end of discussion .......

 

[Son of Dorn]

Try selling that to AOC and the Farting Cow Council . Global Warming is real said the Democrats , and thats the end of discussion .......

Clearly AOC has never been to the Southeastern US coastline and gotten a good strong whiff of the salt marsh on a balmy summer's eve if she thinks cow-farts are the only source of methane in this world.

 

[theLBC]

Try selling that to AOC and the Farting Cow Council . Global Warming is real said the Democrats , and thats the end of discussion .......

they'll just keep moving more temperature stations to the middle of walmart parking lots.

 

[supercorndogs]

All that based on this data set.

His hypotheses and data set seems to suffer from the same problems as his rivals. Not enough data.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

it is like they never looked at tree rings

It is a psychological term called cognitive dissonance... Basically, somebody becomes so adhered to a political or religious ideology that they INTENTIONALLY REFUSE to believe actual facts and shun and attack those who try to prove facts to them. For example, somebody who joined a cult that believes that beach sand is actually the only form of sustenance the human body needs will attack anyone who tries to tell them that if they do not eat normal food and drink normal fluids, they will die. They will force themselves to eat beach sand, until they are dead, either from starvation or from the abrasive effects of the sand in their internal organs.

And what makes this phenomenon more terrifying is that even people we consider normal and intelligent can and will succumb to this if they become too passionate about a political, social, or religious movement. Many of the people who quit their high paying jobs and went with Jim Jones to their doomed one way trip to Jonestown had been successful medical doctors, teachers, scientists, and engineers. A part of their minds KNEW that what they are doing will certainly lead them to their horrific deaths, but they went anyway.

ETA: The flat earth movement is another perfect example of this phenomenon. A KiwiFarms forums member who is a good friend of mine had told me how he had a long time buddy from high school who was very smart, athletic, self confident and extremely successful academically and socially. They drifted apart and he assumed this guy went to become a marine biologist like he had always wanted to do. When they met again years later, my friend is just utterly bewildered to find that this guy had COMPLETELY succumbed to the flat earth cult. Every fucking thing that came out of his mouth was about disc worlds, conspiracies, and how every fucking thing in the sky are projections onto a dome and shit like that.

Needless to say my friend is NOT friends with this weirdo anymore...

 

[frankxtc]

Crap. Florida is already full.
Buy another sweater and stay the hell out of here.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Crap. Florida is already full.
Buy another sweater and stay the hell out of here.
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Holy shit, there is probably a lot of supercell, multicell, and gust front activity along the Florida Georgia line right now...

 

[theLBC]

they already figured out how to blame a new ice age on "warming".

 

[candyx]

Climate Change your afraid of Climate Change ? Buy a telescope or a book on our solar system and look at the surface of the planets, those big depressions in the surface are impacts from large asteroids. Is earth immune or just lucky for someday a huge mass will impact earth so I'm not really concerned about removing recyclables from my trash or using solar or wind power. This big blue marble will look like uranus someday so live in the moment , let the sky falling asshats waste their days trying to prevent the inevitable.

 

[OldSalty2]

they already figured out how to blame a new ice age on "warming".

Nah. I get what you sayin but completely diff set of circumstances.

If the grand minimum predictions are correct, we are talking about the possibility of a couple decades of lower than normal temperatures. In some regions the impacts would be very significant. Europe and the North American Plains were hit very hard during the last minimum. China and the mediterranean as well.

Whats interesting is that nasa (quietly) agrees, but have articles saying it will only offset 3 years worth of man made warming.

 

[OldSalty2]

And the camp which believes "the sun is the most significant contributor to climate on earth" ....are going to possibly get their chance to be proven correct, or not.

 

[candyx]

And the camp which believes "the sun is the most significant contributor to climate on earth" ....are going to possibly get their chance to be proven correct, or not.

Eventually, the earth will lose its orbital energy and spiral into the Sun , so I would think it would be wised to be close to a garden hose.

 

[Mwalex]

Climate Change your afraid of Climate Change ? Buy a telescope or a book on our solar system and look at the surface of the planets, those big depressions in the surface are impacts from large asteroids. Is earth immune or just lucky for someday a huge mass will impact earth so I'm not really concerned about removing recyclables from my trash or using solar or wind power. This big blue marble will look like uranus someday so live in the moment , let the sky falling asshats waste their days trying to prevent the inevitable.

Guess it depends on how bad Uranus looks.

 

[OldSalty2]

Eventually, the earth will lose its orbital energy and spiral into the Sun , so I would think it would be wised to be close to a garden hose.

No, the earth will be swallowed by the sun as it looses energy and transitions to a red giant.

Then of couse, entropy and the law of thermodynamics kicks in, and all of the energy is dispersed and the universe will be dark and cold and completely void of life.

 

[candyx]

No, the earth will be swallowed by the sun as it looses energy and transitions to a red giant.

Then of couse, entropy and the law of thermodynamics kicks in, and all of the energy is dispersed and the universe will be dark and cold and completely void of life.

No chance of being sucked in a black hole......

 

[OldSalty2]

No chance of being sucked in a black hole......

Greater than zero chance...

 

[Blue Sky Country]

No chance of being sucked in a black hole......

Dats rayciss...

 

[candyx]

Yea but whats on the other side of space , I hoping 42nd Street in the 70's.

 

[OldSalty2]

Yea but whats on the other side of space , I hoping 42nd Street in the 70's.

Space is shaped like a donut.

 

[HiDesertELR]

Basically a "little ice age", which had happened periodically throughout human history. One particularly longer one occurred around 800AD and may have caused farmlands in Scandinavia to become frozen solid for most of the year, leading to very poor agricultural yields. The various clans and tribes making up the Vikings, who were actually experienced farmers, livestock ranchers and town builders, suddenly found themselves facing potential starvation during this time and this may have caused them to take to their ships and recultivate a fearsome maritime warrior tradition, raiding and settling other parts of Europe for food, animals, and farming land. This little ice age ended around 1066, right around the Norman conquest of England. By the time the armies of the First Crusade had captured Jerusalem, the entire northern hemisphere had started warming up unprecedentedly, up to 15%... And the 1100s to the 1340s saw some of the most bountiful harvests in Europe. Incidentally, another little ice age plunged the north lands into a partial deep freeze unfit for long term agricultural cultivation around 1345 or so, and that could have been one of the motivations for the English king Edward I to suddenly declare war on and invade France around the same time...

Dude... How the fuck do you know all this shit?

Seriously

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Dude... How the fuck do you know all this shit?

Seriously

Mostly YouTube actually. I tend to be drawn heavily into weapons and militaria YouTubers, and these channels always have a healthy dose of regular history topics blended in... As part of my writing work, I am already heavy into medieval Chinese, near-east, and European history long into earlier, pre-Internet years...

 

[oneshot86]

Crap. Florida is already full.
Buy another sweater and stay the hell out of here.
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you cold bastards stay the hell otta here, damn thats a ugly weather map

 

[OldSalty2]

Yea but whats on the other side of space , I hoping 42nd Street in the 70's.

Just in case you thought i was kidding about the universe being shaped like a donut lol. Just one of the many questions that may never be answered....

The Simpson-Hawking Donut Universe

Your idea of a donut shaped universe is intriguing, Homer. I may have to steal it.- Stephen Hawking, The Simpsons . In a 1999 episode...

klotza.blogspot.com

 

[Alphatreedog]

Fuck ! And I just bought a Prius .

 

[P-Squared]

Basically a "little ice age", which had happened periodically throughout human history. One particularly longer one occurred around 800AD and may have caused farmlands in Scandinavia to become frozen solid for most of the year, leading to very poor agricultural yields. The various clans and tribes making up the Vikings, who were actually experienced farmers, livestock ranchers and town builders, suddenly found themselves facing potential starvation during this time and this may have caused them to take to their ships and recultivate a fearsome maritime warrior tradition, raiding and settling other parts of Europe for food, animals, and farming land. This little ice age ended around 1066, right around the Norman conquest of England. By the time the armies of the First Crusade had captured Jerusalem, the entire northern hemisphere had started warming up unprecedentedly, up to 15%... And the 1100s to the 1340s saw some of the most bountiful harvests in Europe. Incidentally, another little ice age plunged the north lands into a partial deep freeze unfit for long term agricultural cultivation around 1345 or so, and that could have been one of the motivations for the English king Edward I to suddenly declare war on and invade France around the same time...

So you're saying to expect hoards of Vikings are going to attack? Do you think those fences around the capital are going to hold them back? A friend was asking.

 

[addertooth]

I am just glad to be in a non-liberal state, near the 47 degree point on your temperature map. And in more recent history, i the 1800s, they had "the summer that wasn't". I remember in the 60s Oklahoma going through a cold phase. People there started buying snow mobiles and skis for the first time ever. A few years later, the pawn shops were loaded with skis and ice skates, and everyone had to ship their snow mobiles out of state to sell them.

Yes, weather cycles happen. But apparently activists have very short memories.

 

[Rthur]

Average global temps ^^^.
Btw, this was taken from the Greenland ice cores.
Not my favorite graph but it'll do.
If you take the very last little bit you can get a steep trend line to create the
line of bullshit known as Global Warming aka climate change.

R

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Boys today: "It's so fucking cold!... And WHY won't Belle Delphine answer my fucking messages??? I PAID another $1000 to her OnlyFans RIGHT NOW!!!"...

Boys 1021AD: "It's fucking cold today... Olaf, Sven, prepare the longships and break the ice around the ports. We are going to bring down the walls of York this time! All of England's riches will be ours. Odin help us."...

 

[TriggerJerk!]

Climate Change your afraid of Climate Change ? Buy a telescope or a book on our solar system and look at the surface of the planets, those big depressions in the surface are impacts from large asteroids. Is earth immune or just lucky for someday a huge mass will impact earth so I'm not really concerned about removing recyclables from my trash or using solar or wind power. This big blue marble will look like uranus someday so live in the moment , let the sky falling asshats waste their days trying to prevent the inevitable.

You sir, have precisely nailed it. We worry about bullshit and ignore the real problems.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

You sir, have precisely nailed it. We worry about bullshit and ignore the real problems.

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No worries about those... Sniffin' Joe will just pass an executive order banning asteroids and comets, and they won't ever trouble us again...

 

[Threadcutter308]

Mostly YouTube actually. I tend to be drawn heavily into weapons and militaria YouTubers, and these channels always have a healthy dose of regular history topics blended in... As part of my writing work, I am already heavy into medieval Chinese, near-east, and European history long into earlier, pre-Internet years...

Oh, so you're that "intelligent guy on the Hide" that I've been hearing rumors of.........

 

[7.62willdo]

Oh, so you're that "intelligent guy on the Hide" that I've been hearing rumors of.........

He said..... as if there were such a person.....

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Eventually, the earth will lose its orbital energy and spiral into the Sun , so I would think it would be wised to be close to a garden hose.

Yeah but maybe it'll happen at night so it will be dark and we won't roast. Ja'ever think of that?

VooDoo

 

[frankxtc]

My neighbor explained it all to me.
Apparently, the high altitude vapor trails that I thought were from jets is actually the government spraying chemicals.
Causes lots of bad stuff.
I always smile and agree with whatever he says.
He has a scoped M700 & black hills ammo for it.
I want him to have a positive attitude about me, when the voices tell him to shoot.

 

[Inifinty]

Breaking..

Carbon Emissions and excessive cows caused Etna to blow today.

 

[Dogtown]

Snipers Hide: the definitive source on climate science!

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

Excellent!
So rev those engines, and burn that fossil fuel!
Those poor bastards at BP and ExxonMobil, need our help!

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Yea but whats on the other side of space , I hoping 42nd Street in the 70's.

WRONG!
The universe is finite, at the edge is a giant brick wall, guarded by a mean dog.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Basically a "little ice age", which had happened periodically throughout human history. One particularly longer one occurred around 800AD and may have caused farmlands in Scandinavia to become frozen solid for most of the year, leading to very poor agricultural yields. The various clans and tribes making up the Vikings, who were actually experienced farmers, livestock ranchers and town builders, suddenly found themselves facing potential starvation during this time and this may have caused them to take to their ships and recultivate a fearsome maritime warrior tradition, raiding and settling other parts of Europe for food, animals, and farming land. This little ice age ended around 1066, right around the Norman conquest of England. By the time the armies of the First Crusade had captured Jerusalem, the entire northern hemisphere had started warming up unprecedentedly, up to 15%... And the 1100s to the 1340s saw some of the most bountiful harvests in Europe. Incidentally, another little ice age plunged the north lands into a partial deep freeze unfit for long term agricultural cultivation around 1345 or so, and that could have been one of the motivations for the English king Edward I to suddenly declare war on and invade France around the same time...

Don’t forget the plague kicked off in part due to cooling brought on by 1 or more volcanoes and possibly a mini ice age.

climate always changes. Taxation and wealth redistribution won’t stop it.

wonder if all those solar companies are going g to give refunds now?

Sirhr

 

[sirhrmechanic]

it is like they never looked at tree rings

Right? Dendrochronology, ice cores and seabed samples are giving massive amounts of data that refute so much "fake science" that people are using to justify the green agenda.

It's only science when it fits someone's political agenda. Or have we not learned that in the past 12 months?

Two weeks to flatten the curve was great. Until the greenies realized that placing the entire world under the equivalent of House Arrest is great for reducing their dreaded carbon emissions.

Anyone remember when the huge "Green" climate change movement kicked off? If you said "Earth Day 1990"... you'd be right. A year after the Soviet system and socialism came crashing to the ground as an untenable and inhuman system... and was relegated to the 'ash-heap' of history, the Green Movement took off. Populated by lost socialists who suddenly realized that socialism in the name of saving polar bears and dancing penguins was way more palatable than socialism in the name of Gulags and Killing Fields. The Green Movement was taken over 30 years ago and weaponized by the same people whose socialist shining path went 'south' in 1989.

Don't forget, the FUSSR referred to socialism as 'scientific' as well. Stalin was so confident that 'scientific socialism' was going to rule the world that he had millions of palm trees planted in the tundra, believing that palm trees would re-engineer arctic Russia into a balmy tropical oasis because scientific socialism said it would.

The outcome will be the same. A system by and for tyrants with mental illness and terminal paternalism.

While real science backed up by real evidence is crushed by bleating sheep calling "One mask good, Two masks better."

Meh... Would someone out therep lease send a really big asteroid. And have it land on California.

Sirhr

 

[supercorndogs]

Remember about 3 days into 2 weeks to flatten the curve, all the news stories gushing about how much this had cleaned up the eviroment already.

 

[slowworm]

Anyone ever think that "Grand Solar Minimum" would be a good name for a 70's retro band....

 

[W54/XM-388]

Meh... Would someone out therep lease send a really big asteroid. And have it land on California.

Sirhr

Maybe the north east cost would be a better impact zone, or we could get lucky and something hugely massive splits into 2 and hits both coasts at once......

 

[Laser1]

We were taught we were entering a little ice age back in the late 70's in my geology classes. I think Time magazine even had a cover story saying we were entering into a little ice age.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Modern humanity seems to be a species that worships amnesia.
It's almost like nobody wants to admit there was a past or things happened in the past.
Perhaps because if people knew the past, they would understand all the lies.

Archeologists and Geologists who make "inconvenient finds" are often silenced and have their careers destroyed.
Events as recent as say 2000 years ago are met with mostly blank stares from most people these days, let alone 5000 years ago. Try to ask what happened 10,000 years ago and even the "experts" start mumbling, ask them questions about for example Göbekli Tepe and you'll be scoffed at as some kind of fringe theorist.

Climate and long term weather pattern driven migration of human populations has been a mainstay of the human historical experience up until very recently.
Multi year droughts and famines had huge impacts on the course of history and civilizations as did the many cold spells.

I've yet to see anyone even start calculating how the 20,000 year cycle of the earth tilting back and forth on it's axis, pointing between 2 different north stars, would affect climate. Was burning fossil fuels responsible for turning the Sahara from a huge lush lake and wetlands to a desert?

It's very much like 1984 where the masters that control the present, enact strict control over history, so they can attempt to control the future.