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Guess we will know in the morning? *update*

Silencers no longer on NFA or $0 tax stamps.... or nothing?


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If you flip through YouTube headlines, they pass a bill every 30 minutes that eliminates the NFA. It's the most click bait rich segment on YouTube. Meanwhile, after years of "congress will nullify the NFA tomorrow" headlines, I'm a little jaded. Wake me up when something actually happens.
That faggot Armed Scholar is the worst.
 
So if this makes it, we're free to mass produce our own at home ?
Yes, but maybe no. And, it depends. There’s a reasonable chance that the registration provision remains even if the $200 tax is reduced to $0. And, all of it still must pass the senate. It only needs 51 votes, but the repubs are the world’s champions of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
Yes, but maybe no. And, it depends. There’s a reasonable chance that the registration provision remains even if the $200 tax is reduced to $0. And, all of it still must pass the senate. It only needs 51 votes, but the repubs are the world’s champions of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
That was my understanding as well. The registration process has to go. I want to roll my own at will.
 
I skimmed thru the Wall Street Journal and didn’t see anything you have a link you can post?


Nevermind, I'm an idiot

didn't click the link next to the amendment

https://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/Cloud_Amendment - SHUSH Act250520203539893.pdf



$0 transfer, suppressors only, nothing about removal from NFA that I can see

This is a link to a comparative document that shows the difference between the current and previous versions

https://rules.house.gov/sites/evo-s...l-to-bill_bills-119pih_to_rcp_119-3_final.pdf


Here are the highlights of what’s inside the “One Big Beautiful Bill Act:”

  • Permanent extension of the individual income tax cuts in the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, with some adjustments.
  • Temporary elimination of taxes on qualified tips, overtime pay and car loan interest payments.
  • An additional deduction for senior Americans in lieu of no taxes on Social Security (there are procedural reasons why Republicans can’t do no taxes on Social Security, namely the Byrd Rule).
  • SALT cap increase to $20,000 for married individuals filing separately ($250,000 income limit) and $40,000 in the case of any other taxpayer ($500,000 income limit).
  • Hikes debt ceiling by $4 trillion, which is forecasted to become a problem sometime after July or August if Congress fails to act.
  • $175 billion for border security, including $46.5 billion for the construction of a wall along the US-Mexico border specifically.
  • $150 billion in additional funding for defense, including $25 billion for Trump’s space-based Golden Dome missile defense system, $34 billion to expand the Navy’s capacity and shipbuilding, $21 billion to replenish America’s ammunition stockpile and $5 billion for border security.
  • A mandated 80-hour-per-month work requirement on able-bodied adults ages 19-64 enrolled in Medicaid. Volunteer work and school would count toward the requirement.
  • States that provide Affordable Care Act expansion of Medicaid coverage for illegal immigrants will see their reimbursement rates drop.
  • States with error rates on SNAP benefits would be required to pay a percentage of the program (historically, the feds paid for all of it).
  • Set up a fast-track system for permitting natural gas if applicants pay either 1% of a project’s costs or $10 million, whichever amount is less.
  • Ends the Biden-era electric vehicle mandate for two-thirds of new car sales to be EVS by 2032.
  • Able-bodied adults without children would also see work requirements for SNAP, which currently last until the age of 54, jump to the age of 64.
  • New “Trump” savings accounts for parents and guardians where the feds will pay $1,000 for children born between Jan. 1, 2024, and Dec. 31, 2028.
  • Restrictions on large abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood from getting Medicaid funding.
  • Restrictions on Medicaid funding for transgender surgeries.
  • Eliminate the $200 tax on gun silencers.
  • Tax of up to 21% on certain university endowments.
  • Consolidate student loan payments into two options: 1.) standard program, encompassing monthly payments over a 10 to 25 year period 2.) “repayment assistance” program that is more lenient.
  • Roll back key provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act.
  • Air Traffic Control modernization.
 
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Yes, but maybe no. And, it depends. There’s a reasonable chance that the registration provision remains even if the $200 tax is reduced to $0. And, all of it still must pass the senate. It only needs 51 votes, but the repubs are the world’s champions of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Even if it passes, it’s only good until they change their mind again. How many times has crap been said it’s good to go only to be rolled back two months later. Reminds me of that commercial with the guy has a $20 on a fishing pole while some dude is attempting to grab and and the guy with the pole goes, “you were this close!” Here is the thing, free men don’t ask permission and people grow tired of the back and forth shit. Are we free or not? We should start living as such. We have become pansies. Might as well have remained under British rule.
 
So, they shit the bed, again.

Not according to the GOA, full removal from the NFA and reducing the manufacturing tax from $200 to $0

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I am going to say suppressors prices will fall by 50% if this all comes true. There will be hundreds if not more companies to choose from. Very basic machine work, I am sure someone will come up with better cost effective manufacturing procedures.
Uh yeah, people were buying fuel filters off teemu for $50 that worked pretty well.
 

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There were 2 bills introduced the HPA and the SHUSH act. Main difference is that the HPA removes suppressors from the NFA and the $200 tax but treats them as “arms” so they will be serialized and subject to a 4473 form.

The SHUSH also removes suppressors from the NFA and the $200 tax however suppressors would not be serialized therefore not considered “arms” and classified as “accessories.”

From what I understand they (most republicans/legal analysts/gun groups) wanted to keep suppressors as “arms” (HPA) so they would be protected by the 2A. If not, a suppressor would be subject to the CPSC known as the Consumer Product Safety Commission and if deemed not safe, could result in a ban because its would not be considered “arms” under the second amendment. Suppressors could be regulated by the CPSC. I’m not an attorney so lots of legal theory at this point.


“The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is an independent federal regulatory agency that was created in 1972 by Congress in the Consumer Product Safety Act. In that law, Congress directed the Commission to "protect the public against unreasonable risks of injuries and deaths associated with consumer products."


 
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There were 2 bills introduced the HPA and the SHUSH act. Main difference is that the HPA removes suppressors from the NFA and the $200 tax but treats them as “arms” so they will be serialized and subject to a 4473 form.

The SHUSH also removes suppressors from the NFA and the $200 tax however suppressors would not be serialized therefore not considered “arms” and classified as “accessories.”

From what I understand they (most republicans/legal analysts/gun groups) wanted to keep suppressors as “arms” (HPA) so they would be protected by the 2A. If not, a suppressor would be subject to the CPSC known as the Consumer Product Safety Commission and if deemed not safe, could result in a ban because its would not be considered “arms” under the second amendment. Suppressors would then be regulated by the CPSC.

“The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is an independent federal regulatory agency that was created in 1972 by Congress in the Consumer Product Safety Act. In that law, Congress directed the Commission to "protect the public against unreasonable risks of injuries and deaths associated with consumer products."


God damn it's impossible to hate the government enough.
 
I wonder if suppressor QC will drop significantly over the next 6 months if this is passed?

That’s when we as a community will find out who the quality manufacturers are and who is just out for a quick buck.

Some maybe. There are a few that I'm sure will not.

So IMO you are going to see quality go up. Right now the only suppliers are the ones who have done the licensing to manufacture them. Gun people are assuming the present companies are making the best product available. I believe when you open it up to any manufacturer you are going to see better ways, more innovative ideas and higher quality from larger companies with better tooling.

Also with competition prices will lower and selection will increase. Yes you are going to have junk come into the market for someone that is trying to make a buck.
 
So IMO you are going to see quality go up. Right now the only suppliers are the ones who have done the licensing to manufacture them. Gun people are assuming the present companies are making the best product available. I believe when you open it up to any manufacturer you are going to see better ways, more innovative ideas and higher quality from larger companies with better tooling.

Also with competition prices will lower and selection will increase. Yes you are going to have junk come into the market for someone that is trying to make a buck.
Makes me want to buy a suppressor company.
 
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So IMO you are going to see quality go up. Right now the only suppliers are the ones who have done the licensing to manufacture them. Gun people are assuming the present companies are making the best product available. I believe when you open it up to any manufacturer you are going to see better ways, more innovative ideas and higher quality from larger companies with better tooling.

Also with competition prices will lower and selection will increase. Yes you are going to have junk come into the market for someone that is trying to make a buck.
Ruger for example dabbled a bit and there sticking their toe in involved computer modeling, fluid dynamics analysis and 3d printing…. Bet Ruger goes hard if it passes the senate….
 
Check the link below for TOBBBA.


The text of the current bill is $0 transfer for silencers.


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So is still on the NFA? What a joke. If so its a 99% loss. The hoops and BS and legal sht you have to go through and then the fines and penalties if not I couldnt care less about the $200. Its all the other BS that is the problem. Needs to be OFF the NFA. If they want to classify it as a firearm no problem, that would assure it cant be banned, and if I have to get a background check at a gun store to buy one thats fine. And I can make one myself with no serial just like a firearm. Thats fine.... Amending just to get rid of the $200..... they can shove that up their ......