Well I ordered a S&B 5-25X PMII with a P4 reticle. The P4F wasn't in stock at the time and I thought the P4 would be better at lower magnification. Well it is better at lower mag, it's faster anyway. It's just too wide at 20-25X. Has anyone else sent their scope in to S&B to have this done? Does anyone at all even like the P4 reticle or use it at higher magnification? They said wait time is 8 weeks which isn't too bad. I love the glass though, top notch, crystal clear.
Rifle Scopes Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
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Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
I have the same scope called but haven't sent mine in because I'm not so sure the P4F is really worth the $. In most applications P4 is great but when I really want to shoot BR style down to the nut cutting shots I find myself wanting P4F. Quote for change P4 to P4F was $325.00 and 8-12 week turn around. I have my doubt's on their quoted turn around.
I have the same scope called but haven't sent mine in because I'm not so sure the P4F is really worth the $. In most applications P4 is great but when I really want to shoot BR style down to the nut cutting shots I find myself wanting P4F. Quote for change P4 to P4F was $325.00 and 8-12 week turn around. I have my doubt's on their quoted turn around.
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
Ask about a loaner. They sent me one when I sent mine back for a repair.
Ask about a loaner. They sent me one when I sent mine back for a repair.
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
I had the P4F reticle installed in my PMII. At first they recommended the P4 but later told me it wasn't offered and I had to get the fine. Very glad they did that. Think the P4 would have been too thick. If I remember right it took about 9-10 weeks, this was last year. Also had a dent in the eyepiece bell which they replaced for free. Best decision I made.
I had the P4F reticle installed in my PMII. At first they recommended the P4 but later told me it wasn't offered and I had to get the fine. Very glad they did that. Think the P4 would have been too thick. If I remember right it took about 9-10 weeks, this was last year. Also had a dent in the eyepiece bell which they replaced for free. Best decision I made.
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mark S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the same scope called but haven't sent mine in because I'm not so sure the P4F is really worth the $. In most applications P4 is great but when I really want to shoot BR style down to the nut cutting shots I find myself wanting P4F. Quote for change P4 to P4F was $325.00 and 8-12 week turn around. I have my doubt's on their quoted turn around. </div></div>
They quoted me $350, yeah I'm not sure if it's really worth it but it's still cheaper than a new scope.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mark S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the same scope called but haven't sent mine in because I'm not so sure the P4F is really worth the $. In most applications P4 is great but when I really want to shoot BR style down to the nut cutting shots I find myself wanting P4F. Quote for change P4 to P4F was $325.00 and 8-12 week turn around. I have my doubt's on their quoted turn around. </div></div>
They quoted me $350, yeah I'm not sure if it's really worth it but it's still cheaper than a new scope.
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pinzmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had the P4F reticle installed in my PMII. At first they recommended the P4 but later told me it wasn't offered and I had to get the fine. Very glad they did that. Think the P4 would have been too thick. If I remember right it took about 9-10 weeks, this was last year. Also had a dent in the eyepiece bell which they replaced for free. Best decision I made. </div></div>
Mine has a dent there too, that's weird. It was the size of an a small pea.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pinzmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had the P4F reticle installed in my PMII. At first they recommended the P4 but later told me it wasn't offered and I had to get the fine. Very glad they did that. Think the P4 would have been too thick. If I remember right it took about 9-10 weeks, this was last year. Also had a dent in the eyepiece bell which they replaced for free. Best decision I made. </div></div>
Mine has a dent there too, that's weird. It was the size of an a small pea.
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pinzmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had the P4F reticle installed in my PMII. At first they recommended the P4 but later told me it wasn't offered and I had to get the fine. Very glad they did that. Think the P4 would have been too thick. If I remember right it took about 9-10 weeks, this was last year. Also had a dent in the eyepiece bell which they replaced for free. Best decision I made. </div></div>
Maybe they are discontinuing the P4 reticle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pinzmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had the P4F reticle installed in my PMII. At first they recommended the P4 but later told me it wasn't offered and I had to get the fine. Very glad they did that. Think the P4 would have been too thick. If I remember right it took about 9-10 weeks, this was last year. Also had a dent in the eyepiece bell which they replaced for free. Best decision I made. </div></div>
Maybe they are discontinuing the P4 reticle?
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
The P4 Fine is one of the most popular rets that S&B do. Its certainly one of the most usefull.
The standard P4 is just too fat.
Makes sence to order the scope with the right reticle in it in the first place.
I cant see them discontinuing a reticle, they still do several others on request, its just that the production numbers will be geared to the P4 F as its more popular, and its faster to get a scope through the supply chain in a popular reticle as more are made in that particular reticle.
regards Pete
The P4 Fine is one of the most popular rets that S&B do. Its certainly one of the most usefull.
The standard P4 is just too fat.
Makes sence to order the scope with the right reticle in it in the first place.
I cant see them discontinuing a reticle, they still do several others on request, its just that the production numbers will be geared to the P4 F as its more popular, and its faster to get a scope through the supply chain in a popular reticle as more are made in that particular reticle.
regards Pete
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I ordered a S&B 5-25X PMII with a P4 reticle. The P4F wasn't in stock at the time and I thought the P4 would be better at lower magnification. Well it is better at lower mag, it's faster anyway. It's just too wide at 20-25X. Has anyone else sent their scope in to S&B to have this done? Does anyone at all even like the P4 reticle or use it at higher magnification? They said wait time is 8 weeks which isn't too bad. I love the glass though, top notch, crystal clear. </div></div>
What about starting a WTT/WTB thread in the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Optics & Accessories For Sale</span></span> section? You never know - maybe some one has found that the P4F is a bit too fine for their eyesight and/or requirements. That might turn-out to be mutually beneficial as well as more expedient than having S & B retrofit the reticle.
If not, right now there are two (2) 5-25X P4F PMIIs' for sale. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Tucsondave</span></span> is selling one in his <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">S&B PMII 5x25x56 MIL MIL P4F Like new.</span></span>, and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">207Copper</span></span> has listed one <span style="font-style: italic">"for a fellow Shooter and CLEO"</span> in <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">F/S Like new Schmidt & Bender 5-25x56</span></span>. Good luck.
Keith
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I ordered a S&B 5-25X PMII with a P4 reticle. The P4F wasn't in stock at the time and I thought the P4 would be better at lower magnification. Well it is better at lower mag, it's faster anyway. It's just too wide at 20-25X. Has anyone else sent their scope in to S&B to have this done? Does anyone at all even like the P4 reticle or use it at higher magnification? They said wait time is 8 weeks which isn't too bad. I love the glass though, top notch, crystal clear. </div></div>
What about starting a WTT/WTB thread in the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Optics & Accessories For Sale</span></span> section? You never know - maybe some one has found that the P4F is a bit too fine for their eyesight and/or requirements. That might turn-out to be mutually beneficial as well as more expedient than having S & B retrofit the reticle.
If not, right now there are two (2) 5-25X P4F PMIIs' for sale. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Tucsondave</span></span> is selling one in his <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">S&B PMII 5x25x56 MIL MIL P4F Like new.</span></span>, and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">207Copper</span></span> has listed one <span style="font-style: italic">"for a fellow Shooter and CLEO"</span> in <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">F/S Like new Schmidt & Bender 5-25x56</span></span>. Good luck.
Keith
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I ordered a S&B 5-25X PMII with a P4 reticle. The P4F wasn't in stock at the time and I thought the P4 would be better at lower magnification. Well it is better at lower mag, it's faster anyway. It's just too wide at 20-25X. Has anyone else sent their scope in to S&B to have this done? Does anyone at all even like the P4 reticle or use it at higher magnification? They said wait time is 8 weeks which isn't too bad. I love the glass though, top notch, crystal clear. </div></div>
I have a standard P4 and I'm quite happy with it. Shooting swinging 8" plates at 1022yds and on 18x-20x, the wider cross-hairs were not an issue. I think the wider lines are .07 mils at 1k, so it's not covering up too much.
I guess if you're shooting golf balls, or prairie dogs at that distance, or farther, then maybe the standard is too thick and the fine's fine (pun intended) but it shouldn't really matter with typical tactical sized targets, like a human head, or even a torso.
Chris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I ordered a S&B 5-25X PMII with a P4 reticle. The P4F wasn't in stock at the time and I thought the P4 would be better at lower magnification. Well it is better at lower mag, it's faster anyway. It's just too wide at 20-25X. Has anyone else sent their scope in to S&B to have this done? Does anyone at all even like the P4 reticle or use it at higher magnification? They said wait time is 8 weeks which isn't too bad. I love the glass though, top notch, crystal clear. </div></div>
I have a standard P4 and I'm quite happy with it. Shooting swinging 8" plates at 1022yds and on 18x-20x, the wider cross-hairs were not an issue. I think the wider lines are .07 mils at 1k, so it's not covering up too much.
I guess if you're shooting golf balls, or prairie dogs at that distance, or farther, then maybe the standard is too thick and the fine's fine (pun intended) but it shouldn't really matter with typical tactical sized targets, like a human head, or even a torso.
Chris
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
I found the P4 Fine was ok for shooting very small targets off a bench or prone or some other real stable position while on maximum power. I had the reticle on a 4-16x PMII.
The problem was that when I turned the magnification down past around 10-12x the reticle pattern faded away too much to use it for leads, holdovers etc. I actually went the other way and had a standard P4 reticle installed in my scope. Love it for field matches etc.
If I wanted to shoot small groups off a bench with a fine crosshair, I'd just get a Leupold or Weaver bench rest scope, you don't need to spend the money for the robustness of a S&B.
Just my .02, but using a S&B 5-25 (or 4-16x) with a fine crosshair (P4F) to shoot from the bench is like having a thoroughbred racehorse in a petting zoo.....
Certainly a matter of opinion on my part. I know there are lots of happy owners of P4 Fine reticles out there.
I found the P4 Fine was ok for shooting very small targets off a bench or prone or some other real stable position while on maximum power. I had the reticle on a 4-16x PMII.
The problem was that when I turned the magnification down past around 10-12x the reticle pattern faded away too much to use it for leads, holdovers etc. I actually went the other way and had a standard P4 reticle installed in my scope. Love it for field matches etc.
If I wanted to shoot small groups off a bench with a fine crosshair, I'd just get a Leupold or Weaver bench rest scope, you don't need to spend the money for the robustness of a S&B.
Just my .02, but using a S&B 5-25 (or 4-16x) with a fine crosshair (P4F) to shoot from the bench is like having a thoroughbred racehorse in a petting zoo.....
Certainly a matter of opinion on my part. I know there are lots of happy owners of P4 Fine reticles out there.
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jwp475</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If I wanted to shoot small groups off a bench then Nightforce, S&B, USO, Etc. would be high on my list. Very precise and stabile errector tubes </div></div>
Perhaps, but probably not much need for a P4 or P4 Fine reticle.
Noticed you were from Paris, tell Gene Stallings hello! He's still a legend here in Alabama!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jwp475</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If I wanted to shoot small groups off a bench then Nightforce, S&B, USO, Etc. would be high on my list. Very precise and stabile errector tubes </div></div>
Perhaps, but probably not much need for a P4 or P4 Fine reticle.
Noticed you were from Paris, tell Gene Stallings hello! He's still a legend here in Alabama!
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aries64</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I ordered a S&B 5-25X PMII with a P4 reticle. The P4F wasn't in stock at the time and I thought the P4 would be better at lower magnification. Well it is better at lower mag, it's faster anyway. It's just too wide at 20-25X. Has anyone else sent their scope in to S&B to have this done? Does anyone at all even like the P4 reticle or use it at higher magnification? They said wait time is 8 weeks which isn't too bad. I love the glass though, top notch, crystal clear. </div></div>
What about starting a WTT/WTB thread in the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Optics & Accessories For Sale</span></span> section? You never know - maybe some one has found that the P4F is a bit too fine for their eyesight and/or requirements. That might turn-out to be mutually beneficial as well as more expedient than having S & B retrofit the reticle.
If not, right now there are two (2) 5-25X P4F PMIIs' for sale. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Tucsondave</span></span> is selling one in his <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">S&B PMII 5x25x56 MIL MIL P4F Like new.</span></span>, and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">207Copper</span></span> has listed one <span style="font-style: italic">"for a fellow Shooter and CLEO"</span> in <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">F/S Like new Schmidt & Bender 5-25x56</span></span>. Good luck.
Keith </div></div>
I already sent it off, also my dealer quoted me a new S&B same as the above seller's model for a few hundred less.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aries64</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I ordered a S&B 5-25X PMII with a P4 reticle. The P4F wasn't in stock at the time and I thought the P4 would be better at lower magnification. Well it is better at lower mag, it's faster anyway. It's just too wide at 20-25X. Has anyone else sent their scope in to S&B to have this done? Does anyone at all even like the P4 reticle or use it at higher magnification? They said wait time is 8 weeks which isn't too bad. I love the glass though, top notch, crystal clear. </div></div>
What about starting a WTT/WTB thread in the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Optics & Accessories For Sale</span></span> section? You never know - maybe some one has found that the P4F is a bit too fine for their eyesight and/or requirements. That might turn-out to be mutually beneficial as well as more expedient than having S & B retrofit the reticle.
If not, right now there are two (2) 5-25X P4F PMIIs' for sale. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Tucsondave</span></span> is selling one in his <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">S&B PMII 5x25x56 MIL MIL P4F Like new.</span></span>, and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">207Copper</span></span> has listed one <span style="font-style: italic">"for a fellow Shooter and CLEO"</span> in <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">F/S Like new Schmidt & Bender 5-25x56</span></span>. Good luck.
Keith </div></div>
I already sent it off, also my dealer quoted me a new S&B same as the above seller's model for a few hundred less.
Re: Having S&B put in new P4F Reticle
Could you PM me on who you bought from?
Bill
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I ordered a S&B 5-25X PMII with a P4 reticle. The P4F wasn't in stock at the time and I thought the P4 would be better at lower magnification. Well it is better at lower mag, it's faster anyway. It's just too wide at 20-25X. Has anyone else sent their scope in to S&B to have this done? Does anyone at all even like the P4 reticle or use it at higher magnification? They said wait time is 8 weeks which isn't too bad. I love the glass though, top notch, crystal clear. </div></div>
Could you PM me on who you bought from?
Bill
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dan46n2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I ordered a S&B 5-25X PMII with a P4 reticle. The P4F wasn't in stock at the time and I thought the P4 would be better at lower magnification. Well it is better at lower mag, it's faster anyway. It's just too wide at 20-25X. Has anyone else sent their scope in to S&B to have this done? Does anyone at all even like the P4 reticle or use it at higher magnification? They said wait time is 8 weeks which isn't too bad. I love the glass though, top notch, crystal clear. </div></div>
