Help me cure case neck runout.

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I am fairly new to reloading. I am loading .308 win, single stage method on a LNL press, rcbs fl sizing die, once fired FC brass. I am checking the runout with v blocks and an indacator. I have nearly zero runout before sizing, and am getting .005 thou+ tir after sizing. Most of the cases have dented case mouths from ejection. I have used the google search but find I come away with more questions then answers. What advice can you give a beginner on trouble shooting this problem.

Thanks for the help,
Kelly
 
Re: Help me cure case neck runout.

The dented mouths are a problem but are you measuring for runout on fire-formed brass? If so all the inconsistantcies are on inside of the brass. Once you FL resize it, it will make the inside uniform and move the uneveness to the outside and appear to introduce runout.
 
Re: Help me cure case neck runout.

I am loading for a bolt action. I will have to run my indicator on the inside of the neck of a re sized case and see what I get. I was only indicating the outside of the neck. What can I do to smooth out the dented case mouths before sizing?

Thanks,
Kelly
 
Re: Help me cure case neck runout.

why are the case necks dented? Was the brass fired from this bolt gun? Are you running an expander ball? If so does it float? The expander ball is the last thing to touch the case and if it dosn't float I'll venture that's your problem. IF I use an expander ball it's with my Redding dies and they float and I have no problems with run out. My RCBS dies were known for this issue so I took the expander out and problem went away. To remove the dented mouths use a mandrel:
http://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/pid=33134/Product/Sinclair-Expander-Mandrel-oversized
Sully
 
Re: Help me cure case neck runout.

Size a few without the expander. If you still have the problem, you have a bad die or it's sizing the neck too much in one pass - that is the difference between the neck in your chamber and what your die sizes it to is too great. In this case, look at a bushing die and size less in one pass.

If you don't have the problem wo the expander, try leaving the expander loose so it floats or try a carbide expander.

Report back!
 
Re: Help me cure case neck runout.

I will take a look at the expander ball and make sure it's on center and free floating. Could someone give me some more info on the process of sizing down in steps? Does this require more dies of different sizes?

Thanks,
Kelly
 
Re: Help me cure case neck runout.

If you have thick/thin necks then you will always have a perceived runout problem because everything is wobbling on the indicator...cure that by taking the thick side of the neck off with a turning tool. Note I said take the thick side off, there's no need to even touch the thin side, you'll just feather into it. This will dramatically improve the runout reading. And, if you think about it, you can't possibly have concentric ammo if your bullet is held off center in the neck by a neck wall that is thicker on one side than the other. Turning of course, would be on fireformed brass, and it's a one time deal.

Others have mentioned the floating carbide expander ball, that is my system with Redding FL dies.

Also, my system involves first FL sizing with a Redding die that has no expander ball/decapping stem installed.

To expand the necks I use a seperate sizer die with the floating carbide expander ball installed, and I push the neck up over the expander, instead of pulling it down over. In my experience this makes a huge difference.

When seating my bullets in a Redding comp seater, I'll partially seat the bullet, then turn the case 90 degrees, seat a bit more, turn the case 90 degrees again, then finish the seating stroke. This gentle approach does a better job of seating a bullet straight rather than just cramming it in with one stroke.

It's also my belief that properly annealed brass allows the tooling to do it's job better and more consistantly, which lends to less runout. I anneal after at least every other firing, and usually after every firing.

My TIR gauge runs the loaded round on roller bearings supporting the neck and the "pressure ring", and I usually indicate halfway between the bullet tip and the ogive, where TIR would show up distinctly....I can usually maintain .001" runout or less using this system with match grade bullets.

Of course YMMV.......