Help - Savage 10 precision versus 12?

[brvheart]

Hello all -

Let me first preface that I am new to precision rifles and have learned a lot from reading here and appreciate the wealth of information that everyone has shared here.

I have gone back and forth countless times due to being OCD - it makes me not be able to make up my mind...

Ok - so I was bent on getting a Rem 700 SPS (either Tactical or Varmint), found a shop close to me that had both went in today with the purpose of purchasing one or the other. Big debate was the barrel size 20" vs the 26".

After talking with an older gentleman that shoots comp long shooting I told him that I really wanted to learn the art of shooting long and understand it and that I knew I had a long long road and a lot of rounds coming my way. We discussed my need for the 300 Winmag down line for taking hunting trips out west and how .308 would be a great caliber to start with.

Having said that I already have a Savage 11/111 Trophy hunter XP in .308 that my wife is taking over and we will get it to fit her. So I thought naturally I could get another .308 and why not a savage until I started researching and everyone recommend the .308 Rem 700 SPS Varmint. I asked the gentleman at the shop and said sure, you could get that - then throw away the stock, get a new barrel, get a new trigger and take the action out and have it fine tuned by a smith...and have a great expensive rifle. But for what I am doing the Savage 12 precision out of the box with the precision stock and precision accu-trigger was a really fine weapon for a lot more cost effective option - yet they are ugly and he likes a custom built all around rifle - however that is not for everyone.

So sorry for the long winded post there -

I only found the .308 in the Savage 10 models and the 12 in 243, 260 and 6.5 Creedmoor.

So what is the difference between these two models?

Also any advice on the hunt for a 300 Winmag would be appreciated also.

Thank you all in advance.

 

[dang472]

As far as I can tell, Savage is all over the map on their model designations. I'm sure there is a reason for the differences. All Savage short actions are 10, 12, 16 etc. Long action is 110, 111, 112, 116 etc. My uncle has a 10FP in 308. I just bought a 12 BVSS in 308. It would probably be helpful to use the Savage website because they have a pretty nice model selector. Plug in what you are looking for and it will give you your model options.

 

[BoilerUP]

I believe you are asking about the 10PC vs the 12LRP. One is a lighter, handier field-type rifle; the other heavier and more adept for prone/bench shooting or tactical competitions.

The 10PC has a sporter-style Accustock vs. the LRP's HS Precision PST-114 vertical grip stock. The 10PC has a 20" medium contour barrel, the LRP is a 26" bull contour truck axle. Both have DBM, the 10PC is bottom bolt release while the 12LRP is a top bolt release target action.

The 10FCP-HS is pretty similar to the 12LRP, but blued and in 308 (and inexplicably, a bit more expensive). You can get the 110FCP-HS in 300WM.

My opinion? Get the 12LRP in 6.5 Creedmoor, a case of factory ammo, and go shoot. It'll do everything the 308 does, but have less drop and drift at extended ranges with less recoil to boot.

 

[Dirty D]

Everything BoilerUP said plus the model 12 LRP is a large shank action vs the small shank action on the model 10.

 

[fdkay]

First off, why would you need a new barrel for the Remington?
Secondly, the .308 is a fine cartridge that you are already familiar with and factory match loads are plentiful in weights ranging from 155 to 178 grains.

The 6.5CM will outperform it in every respect except energy. If you want a 6.5 (an excellent choice), then you are limited to Savage. They are way ahead of the pack here.

I have had several heavy barrel remingtons and they all shot very well with the factory barrel.

Yes, if you get an SPS tactical or varmint, you'll need a new stock.
That is all you need.
The trigger is serviceable, hell, mine was quite nice.

Of course you could circumvent the whole thing and get a 700P. Comes in a very good HS precision stock with a much better 40X trigger. You could get either the standard or the light tactical. Both are excellent shooters.

There is nothing wrong with the Savage line.
The 10FP models in either the HS Precision or McMillan stocks are both excellent choices and tend to shoot extremely well.

There are two other excellent choices out there that you seem to have missed, the Tikka and the Howa. Once you work the action on either of these two, you'll wonder why rem and savage can't get their shit together.

The Howa is the sleeper of the bunch, order a barreled action from Buds Guns and an XLR chassis and you'll have an ass kicking rifle with an excellent factory trigger and an awesome one piece bolt.

 

[brvheart]

Thank you all for the info here - I have not heard of the Howa or the Tikka - I will have to look those up. Looks like I have a lot more reading to do before I make my next purchase. Also going to look up the 700p.

 

[BillCh]

Brvheart,

Not that I want to get into a brand vs. brand argument, but here is some insight into the Savage thing. The difference between the Savage 10's and the 12 LRP is night and day. I written this before and I'll try to sum it up simply.

The are basically three different Savage receivers. All Savage rifles use a version of three receivers.
The Model 10/110. Easily identifiable by its open top. Mostly small shank dia. barrel thread. Hinged floor plate, blind box, or DBM.
The Model 12 PTA "Precision Target Action" is identifiable if it is a single shot only. Closed top, regardless of port or bolt orientation.
The Model 12 LRP and the Model 10 BA. These two use the same receiver. They are the best savage has to offer, IMHO. They have the closed top large shank barrel thread and can, and mostly do, accommodate a magazine.

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