Night Vision Help selecting thermal device

headwatermike

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I am hoping to get some first hand advice on which thermal unit I need. I've been reading a lot about them, but have never used one myself.

I will buy one primarily for animal detection in lower temps (-20 deg to 50 deg f). I'm hoping to be able to get a good idea of size/movement of animals out to 5oo yds. Longer is better, as always.

My main driving force to drop the money on one is for elk hunting. Where I hunt, we have had an influx of grizzly bears. I hunt mostly with my wife in very steep country in wilderness and on foot. We generally hike in hours before sunrise in silence and using red light to avoid detection by the elk. Last year I found myself following grizzly tracks at times and frankly, it's scary. We had 3 attacks within a few miles of my hunting spot last year. My wife thinks it's scarier hiking out at night while packing the carcass (seems to happen at least once a season), but then I'm lights on and volume up. As the country is steep, I would like to be able to scan the mountain aspect ahead before climbing, then from vantage points. Once on the slope you can generally only see 25-100yds through the light timber. This way I might avoid a confrontation, which I feel is inevitable unless I do something different.

Of course, the idea of the scope is very attractive for other purposes. I would love to have one in my pack while white tail hunting, especially with a bow. Finding animals in the brush can be tough. A scope would be great for the ability to hunt at night such as for coyotes and also for the general bad-a-ness of it.

I've ruled out the low resolution scopes after watching some youtube footage. Here are the devices I'm considering, though it is not a set list:

Flir ps32--looks hard to beat at for the price, many reviews available
ATN OTS-X-F314--better refresh rate, upgradeable lenses for zoom/fov, but I can't find any first hand info
ATN Thor--hard to justify to the wife and the tax man (did I mention this will be used for my construction business for energy audits?), but some relatively good deals are out there

Thanks for any help available.
 
If anyone is of a position to help I would appreciate it.

Here is my wife on opener last season. We usually get close to the elk at sunup, but this day we had two other hunters hike directly into where the elk had been arriving after daybreak and sit. We moved to plan b, which involved a shot from the ridge we had come up across a steep canyon. She took this elk at 580yds. It broke the back tine off as it fell down the hill. Usually we shoot at much closer ranges, but we practice farther. She uses a 308win from a Tikka (165 Accubond over Varget)--for those who care about such things:



This is a photo of a medium grizzly that I crossed tracks with a few times last season:



This was a typical hunt in 2011. Got her out that night, but left my leatherman tool when I pulled ivories from a cow carcass, left over from predation:



I hiked back in the next afternoon to get the leatherman and found this about 400yds from where we gutted her elk and quite near the tool:



Also in 2011 I followed this guy's tracks up a ridge. His front was 7" across and shoved in the dirt deep. Few days old when I saw it, and have never noticed his tracks again:



I'm really considering the ATN offering and wish I had more info to go on.
 
If your primary purpose is scanning then I recommend a hand held unit over a thermal sight. You will be able to spot animals quickly. For navigation and target id then night vision is preferable. I bring this up because you mentioned "general bad-a-ness".
The THOR seems to be a popular choice and I'm sure you will find a few users who will share their experience.
 
Camille,

Thanks. I'm intimately familiar with where I usually hunt, so I only need the dim red light of my headlamp to navigate typically. I haven't used thermal devices, but the night vision I used was really monotone, making it hard to see something unless it was moving or I knew where to look. I haven't used high end NV, but this is why I had decided on thermal. I hope I'm not wrong, as I ordered a Thor this afternoon (320 2x). I sort of became caught up with the idea of being able to mount it up on an AR for fun as well as using it hand-held for my stated purpose. I also felt that the 2x optical zoom was a good compromise and liked the higher frame rate over the ps32, though it was a tough choice. Had a little explaining to do with the wife. It would be funny showing the tax man how we do energy audits with the reticle, quick mount, and all.
 
Well, my thermal purchase didn't go to plan. I ordered a "Thor 320 2X" and the company sent a 1x Thor. They said they advertise it as a 2X because it has 2X digital zoom. I laughed and and suggested they list it as a 4x then, as it also has a 4x setting. I pushed a manager pretty far, and he said they just had them drop shipped from ATN (suggesting, I think, that the issue was partially with ATN). So I called ATN, who was well aware of what I consider to be a deceitful listing from this company. I spoke with a manager there who seemed genuinely concerned and said she would get the issue sorted out.

I'm returning the scope. However I did get to try it out. I'm really impressed with the build and the capability of the unit. It is built like a brick. It also is powered by 3 batteries in parallel and is built such that you can operate it on 1,2, or 3 batteries (with less capacity obviously). Just a nice feature that I didn't see listed. Also, I can easily spot cattle at 1000+ yards with it.
 
Pony up and get a FLIR LS-64 for the range and resolution that you need, it will SAVE you bigtime in both time and expenses in the field, and remember, you can use it both day and night. FLIR -> don't leave home without it...