Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

Lucks

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Hey guys,

I finally got my .260 Rem in the other day and have started working on reloading for it. I'm still new to reloading but have been reloading for my .308 for about a year now.

I am using 7mm-08 Winchester brass to resize to .260. I resized the virgin 7mm-08 to .260 using a Forester Died per their basic instructions for setting up the die. I then loaded and shot the virgin brass through my rifle to fire form the brass to the chamber and get the headspaceing specs. I measured the once fired brass using my Hornady headspacing guage and began to attempt to set up the resizing die to where it would bump the shoulder back .001" or so. Well, I'm getting the opposite effect of what I would have expected and what I got when I did this same process with my .308 using .308 brass. What's happening is when I resize the brass the headspace measurement (length to shoulder) gets bigger not smaller. The measurement grows by about .002" each time I resize it.
The only thing I can come up with is that the extra brass from the 7mm-08 case is getting pushed back into the shoulder when I resize the once fired brass in the .260 die, and that is causing the shoulder to grow (bulge?). I don't know if that is right but it's all I can figure out.

I guess my question is, is this normal when using 7mm-08 brass for 260?
Am I missing something or doing something wrong?
If it still chambers, will it hurt anything? I don't want headspacing issues to cause rounds not to chamber or case separation issues.

Please do not assume that I know all the basics, if there is a simple answer please through it out there, I may be missing something very basic.

One other thing, I did try tightening the die up to where it would eventually bump the grown shoulder back to .001" less than the original size. To do this I had to really work the brass and it caused the case to buckle and indent right under the shoulder at the top of the case body.

Thanks for the help!
 
Re: Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

My advice would be to get a 260 neck sizer and and size the necks, then get a body die for bumping the shoulders back. As to why its growing, i have no idea
 
Re: Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

Lucks,

Not exactly sure what your problem is, however, I do have some questions:

1) You started with virgin 7mm-08 brass.

2) Then necked down to 260 Rem.

3) Then you fire formed it.

4) Now you want to not only full length resize it, but you want to set the shoulders back .001".

My first question is why do you want to do that? The case was fired in your chamber, it fit going in, and it fit coming out. If you have no other 260 Rem, you want only to size the neck enough to hold a new bullet. No need to touch the shoulders at all, or to set them back at all.

If all you have is a FL die, then just partially resize a case. Try it in your chamber, and if it fits without a hard turn of your bolt, your good.

Eventually after x # of loadings, and x # of neck sizing, you will have to FL resize your cases. How much? Well just enough to again just fit your chamber. No more, no less. It's a trial and error thing.

Bob
 
Re: Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keep screwing the die down until the desired bump is achieved, when FL sizing the case gets longer before it gets shorter </div></div>

Is this normal for all cases. Like I said I have limited experience, but with my .308 the measurements stayed the same as I tightened down the die until it began to bump the shoulder back.

With the .260 as I tighten down the die the length to shoulder measurement increases, like the case is getting longer or the shoulder is bulging (which is kinda what it looks like). I really have to tighten the hell out of it to get this measurement to be lessen (bump the shoulder back). Like I said when I do this it really feels like I'm over working the brass and it even buckled on one of the cases.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Eventually after x # of loadings, and x # of neck sizing, you will have to FL resize your cases. How much? Well just enough to again just fit your chamber. No more, no less. It's a trial and error thing.

Bob


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Okay, so if I do things your way, what do I do when I finally have to FL resize it and I'm having the same issues.
 
Re: Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

Lucks,

Every die is different, every chamber is different. With your 308 it could be your die and chamber were in harmony (neither too big nor too small). What I mean is your chamber has a min and a max. As does your die. If you have chamber that's on the max end of acceptable, and a die cut on the min end of acceptable, then you have a mismatch.

Not saying you have a bad die or chamber, but maybe two within spec's elements that are at opposite ends of the go scale.

When you get a buckle at the top of the shoulder you are oversizing your brass. So what do you do when your neck sized brass needs to be FL sized? You start by turning down your FL die by 1/8th turns, and keep testing until that piece of brass fits in the chamber without a hard turn of your bolt.

In other words, resize your brass only as much as you have too and no more. If your die will not FL resize your brass without buckling the shoulder, then call your die manufacture and speak with them.

Bob
 
Re: Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

Why not just use Rem .260 brass?


Also, ditch the Hornady gauge get the Sinclair bump gauge body and insert to check how far to bump that shoulder back. The 1/8 turn trick is a good way to end up overworked/oversized brass.


 
Re: Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

Swan,

The 1/8 of a turn was from a partial FL sizing position. If your only sizing part of the neck, and NOT FL sizing, 1/8th turns down till your brass now again fits is not overworking your brass.

Bob
 
Re: Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Swan,

The 1/8 of a turn was from a partial FL sizing position. If your only sizing part of the neck, and NOT FL sizing, 1/8th turns down till your brass now again fits is not overworking your brass.

Bob </div></div>

Ok. I thought you meant to do 1/8 turn while setting up the FL die, which is what some die manufacturers recommend. Unfortunately though a 1/8 turn can easily be too much bump, the brass chambers fine and everything seems dandy. When it really isn't.
 
Re: Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

Bob

Thank you for the help and advice. I think I have become somewhat obsessed with this headspace measurements stuff.

I understand what you are saying about basically just(partially full length resizing)neck size after each firing until the shoulder expands to the point where it needs to be FL resized. Then just tighten down the die resizing until my brass will just chamber and then I'm back in business.

I think what has happened to me is that I set up some dies using that method, and I guess I'm not good at telling when the bolt just closes without resistance and all that stuff. Turns out I was overworking my brass and it was eventually causing case seperation issues.
As discussed here....
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...467#Post1792467

So, I got these head spacing guages and set up my dies for the .308 and it cured my case seperation issues.
On the .260 I just want to make sure I set up my dies where I can be confident every round will chamber (for matches) and I also can know I'm not overworking my brass.

Thanks again for all the help and advice, Adam

Question,
Do you think the bulge in the shoulder has anything to do with the fact I'm making .260 out of 7mm-08?
 
Re: Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

You all do know a 1/8th turn of a die moves it some 9 thou, about 20% more than normal max to min headspace for most bottle neck cartridges?


"Do you think the bulge in the shoulder has anything to do with the fact I'm making .260 out of 7mm-08?"

If you're using an FL die, no. But, if you're bumping the shoulder with a .260 neck die, that's all that's needed to make any case bulge at the shoulders. (Nothing is gained by neck sizing below the base of a seated bullet.)
 
Re: Help with .260 resizing issue,,,,PLEASE!

Thanks guys for all the help.
I did solve the 260 problem I was having that I posted about. My problem was too much lube in the die. Like a dummy newbie I thought since I was resizing 7mm-08 to .260 it would take more lube so that I wouldn't stick a case. I had so much case lube in the die that when I'd compress it enough to bump the shoulder back .001" it would indent the brass. Once I figured out what was going on everything is working great now.
Thanks again!

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