So I'm gonna try to keep this from becoming one of those threads that's simple is "which is the best" then doesn't go anywhere. What I'm really looking for help with is what attributes or features should I be looking for in an everyday carry pistol to thin out the millions of options. I'm sure there are plenty of you who after purchasing decided you really wish you went with this option or in the end the extra money wasn't worth that upgrade and so on. Some potentially limiting factors, I would like to stick with 9mm, just for continuity of ammo and save me time reloading. I'm 5'10" about 200lbs so not looking to carry full frame 1911. Any help would be great thanks
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whatever you decide make sure it is comfortable with whatever holster you choose. If not, you will find yourself never wearing it. I also prefer lighter pistols like glocks to the 1911's. The lighter pistols don't make my pants sag as much.
whatever you decide make sure it is comfortable with whatever holster you choose. If not, you will find yourself never wearing it. I also prefer lighter pistols like glocks to the 1911's. The lighter pistols don't make my pants sag as much.
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Xd sub compact in 9mm is wat I carry...great lil gun for ccw plus can't beat the price...500 plus or minus
Xd sub compact in 9mm is wat I carry...great lil gun for ccw plus can't beat the price...500 plus or minus
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Love my Kahr PM9. I carry it in a FIST thin kydex IWB holster to the right of my belt buckle. Clips on and off quickly and the entire package is comfortable enough that I don't mind wearing it even with cargo shorts and a t shirt. The PM9 is plenty accurate and has been very reliable for me since putting the initial 200 "break in" rounds through it as recommended by Kahr (had a couple FTF during break in).
If you choose something too large, bulky or heavy odds are you will choose to leave it behind more often than something that isn't. Whatever you choose make sure you shoot the hell out of it with both practice ammo as well as the ammo you decide to carry in it. Make sure it works.
Love my Kahr PM9. I carry it in a FIST thin kydex IWB holster to the right of my belt buckle. Clips on and off quickly and the entire package is comfortable enough that I don't mind wearing it even with cargo shorts and a t shirt. The PM9 is plenty accurate and has been very reliable for me since putting the initial 200 "break in" rounds through it as recommended by Kahr (had a couple FTF during break in).
If you choose something too large, bulky or heavy odds are you will choose to leave it behind more often than something that isn't. Whatever you choose make sure you shoot the hell out of it with both practice ammo as well as the ammo you decide to carry in it. Make sure it works.
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Food for thought, the barrel isn't tough to conceal, its the grip that is. Sig226 is really nice. I would recommend something with night sights and maybe a rail. Whatever you get, practice practice practice with it, concealed carry isn't about comfortable, its about protecting yourself, but if its not somewhat comfortable you WON'T carry it.
Food for thought, the barrel isn't tough to conceal, its the grip that is. Sig226 is really nice. I would recommend something with night sights and maybe a rail. Whatever you get, practice practice practice with it, concealed carry isn't about comfortable, its about protecting yourself, but if its not somewhat comfortable you WON'T carry it.
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Good question, you are wise to seek some advice from those of us who have thrown a ton of money at the question.
I am a big guy and live in a hot climate, so when not at work, I wear shorts for 6 months or more of the year. If you have the opportunity, cary different pistols around the house for a day to see if they are comfortable before you buy.
I have carried a 1911, full size and compact glocks, small airweight revolvers and a P3AT. I finally settled on a P3AT because it meets my minimum power requirement, conceals easliy in my front pocket even in shorts and is light enough to carry all day along. I also carry my cell, keys, wallet sunglasses, so adding the gun can be a pain in the ass, and alot of crap to cary if you are wearing shorts.
You should also remember that a small gun like mine is great because you will be more likely to carry it, but you will NOT like to shoot it. They can be so small, so light, so easy to cary that they hurt to shoot, so you may want to consider a second gun to practice, and practicing with your cary gun just enough to be proficient.
I have pretty clear expectations on how I will likely use my cary gun, it will most likely be in a messy situation, I dont expect to be shooting at threats more than 20 yards. You might also want to consider joining your local USPSA or IDPA group, the practice / training is priceless.
Good question, you are wise to seek some advice from those of us who have thrown a ton of money at the question.
I am a big guy and live in a hot climate, so when not at work, I wear shorts for 6 months or more of the year. If you have the opportunity, cary different pistols around the house for a day to see if they are comfortable before you buy.
I have carried a 1911, full size and compact glocks, small airweight revolvers and a P3AT. I finally settled on a P3AT because it meets my minimum power requirement, conceals easliy in my front pocket even in shorts and is light enough to carry all day along. I also carry my cell, keys, wallet sunglasses, so adding the gun can be a pain in the ass, and alot of crap to cary if you are wearing shorts.
You should also remember that a small gun like mine is great because you will be more likely to carry it, but you will NOT like to shoot it. They can be so small, so light, so easy to cary that they hurt to shoot, so you may want to consider a second gun to practice, and practicing with your cary gun just enough to be proficient.
I have pretty clear expectations on how I will likely use my cary gun, it will most likely be in a messy situation, I dont expect to be shooting at threats more than 20 yards. You might also want to consider joining your local USPSA or IDPA group, the practice / training is priceless.
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I concur with Phylodog: the Kahr PM9 is hard to beat. It is small and light enough to carry concealed comfortably (I use a leather pocket holster), but is a 9mm, not .380 ACP or lesser. It strikes a good balance between comfort, ability to be concealed (save Speedos), and cartridge capability. Of course, any pistol in any caliber carried is far superior to the pistol left at home.
When I can't carry the PM9, a smoothed and polished Kel-Tec P-32 is clipped to my waistband. The Ruger LCP is in the same category as the P-32.
Although I haven't carried one, I've shot a Kel-Tec PF-9 (very similar in size to the PM9) and it shot well. A couple friends CCW them and have no complaints. I smoothed and polished the hood, ramp, and barrel for them because my P-32 required these mods to become 100%, FYI.
I concur with Phylodog: the Kahr PM9 is hard to beat. It is small and light enough to carry concealed comfortably (I use a leather pocket holster), but is a 9mm, not .380 ACP or lesser. It strikes a good balance between comfort, ability to be concealed (save Speedos), and cartridge capability. Of course, any pistol in any caliber carried is far superior to the pistol left at home.
When I can't carry the PM9, a smoothed and polished Kel-Tec P-32 is clipped to my waistband. The Ruger LCP is in the same category as the P-32.
Although I haven't carried one, I've shot a Kel-Tec PF-9 (very similar in size to the PM9) and it shot well. A couple friends CCW them and have no complaints. I smoothed and polished the hood, ramp, and barrel for them because my P-32 required these mods to become 100%, FYI.
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I bought an XD as my first carry pistol. I now carry an Officers size 1911 in .45. If your wanting a 9mm a 1911 is still a great pick. They have multiple safetys which are defeated naturally when you hold the pistol properly, and great triggers which will lend itself to better accuracy. Alot of people like to argue that it's an old design, 99years now, but it's still a top pick for a pissload of people. There has to be some reason for it. I don't recommend Glocks or any other pistol that doesn't have a safety to anyone. Before anyone says it Yes I know Glocks have what they call a safety, everyone else calls it a trigger. Get some time behind whatever you think you will want and some guns that you might not think you'd like to carry. Then make a purchase once you've found out what is comfortable to shoot for you.
I bought an XD as my first carry pistol. I now carry an Officers size 1911 in .45. If your wanting a 9mm a 1911 is still a great pick. They have multiple safetys which are defeated naturally when you hold the pistol properly, and great triggers which will lend itself to better accuracy. Alot of people like to argue that it's an old design, 99years now, but it's still a top pick for a pissload of people. There has to be some reason for it. I don't recommend Glocks or any other pistol that doesn't have a safety to anyone. Before anyone says it Yes I know Glocks have what they call a safety, everyone else calls it a trigger. Get some time behind whatever you think you will want and some guns that you might not think you'd like to carry. Then make a purchase once you've found out what is comfortable to shoot for you.
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Wow, already a wealth of great advice here, and in a short amount of time. My thoughts have already been exeeded by superior articulation.
I will say this: The width is probably the most important dimension. In 9mm that's either the Kahr P9 (best but spendy) or the Kel-Tec PF-9.
Also the holster / carry placement could affect the weapon choice greatly, as well as comfort.
Wow, already a wealth of great advice here, and in a short amount of time. My thoughts have already been exeeded by superior articulation.
I will say this: The width is probably the most important dimension. In 9mm that's either the Kahr P9 (best but spendy) or the Kel-Tec PF-9.
Also the holster / carry placement could affect the weapon choice greatly, as well as comfort.
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I've been carrying a Kel-Tec PF9 in my pocket everyday for the last couple of years. It's been accurate and dependable for about 600 rounds and I have zero complaints. Great little gun for the money.
I've been carrying a Kel-Tec PF9 in my pocket everyday for the last couple of years. It's been accurate and dependable for about 600 rounds and I have zero complaints. Great little gun for the money.
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Brother I am 5'10 and 200ish and I can carry a FS 1911 just fine, but with that said I would choose a G19 or XD. The Glock has the same safety as every other firearm in the world! Finger stright and OFF the Trigger just my .02
Brother I am 5'10 and 200ish and I can carry a FS 1911 just fine, but with that said I would choose a G19 or XD. The Glock has the same safety as every other firearm in the world! Finger stright and OFF the Trigger just my .02
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My choice is a ppk .380 or a Glock 17 depending om what I wear. Alternative thought would be maybe a Keltec or beretta tomcat and have something better in your car/house.
My choice is a ppk .380 or a Glock 17 depending om what I wear. Alternative thought would be maybe a Keltec or beretta tomcat and have something better in your car/house.
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Good question and you have the right approach. I carry a Kahr CW-9 in the summer and maybe something bigger in the winter, but you need to have a good belt. Do not skimp on the belt even if you carry IWB. The Beltman in Apex NC is a goodplace to start. It is surprising how much difference a good belt and holster make regardless of your weapon. check out crossbreed supertucks...and thank me later...
Good question and you have the right approach. I carry a Kahr CW-9 in the summer and maybe something bigger in the winter, but you need to have a good belt. Do not skimp on the belt even if you carry IWB. The Beltman in Apex NC is a goodplace to start. It is surprising how much difference a good belt and holster make regardless of your weapon. check out crossbreed supertucks...and thank me later...
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I could carry a full size 1911 is you wanted, though your approach makes sense. I'm smaller than you and carry a Glock 19 most of the time, in Florida under a t-shirt. A good holster and belt make a huge difference.
A short list of good options:
Glock 19, 26
Kahr K9, P9, PM9
S&W M&P9C
I could carry a full size 1911 is you wanted, though your approach makes sense. I'm smaller than you and carry a Glock 19 most of the time, in Florida under a t-shirt. A good holster and belt make a huge difference.
A short list of good options:
Glock 19, 26
Kahr K9, P9, PM9
S&W M&P9C
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Thank you very much, a ton of good stuff and in a short period of time. I have heard that a good belt is key, I picket up a nice leather belt by crossbrees hosters that a guy was selling lile new for $50. Are there any features on these gun options that I should be looking for like must have night sights or get crimson trace hand grips or ambi controls or thumb safety.
Thank you very much, a ton of good stuff and in a short period of time. I have heard that a good belt is key, I picket up a nice leather belt by crossbrees hosters that a guy was selling lile new for $50. Are there any features on these gun options that I should be looking for like must have night sights or get crimson trace hand grips or ambi controls or thumb safety.
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Since there have already been several suggestions, I'll give an opinion on your next set of questions.
Night sights - I have them on my Glock 17 and they're really great for shooting in low light. If you're actually shooting in the dark, you'll (hopefully) be using a light somehow and I haven't found that they're necessary for night shooting. However, the Trijicons that are on my Glock are really nice in the day or night, so I would recommend a good set of Novak-style night sights on a carry gun.
CT/laser grips - no. Practice sight alignment, point shooting, and basic defense shooting. You don't need a little red dot you've come to rely on to get blocked by your hand in an awkward grip in a bad situation. It could cause enough of a hesitation to be the difference between you coming home or not. For a truck gun like a Taurus Judge or something - sure, stick 'em on there. But something you're carrying every day that you need as simple as you can get, you don't need 'em. Also, the bulge in the grip <span style="font-style: italic">could</span> potentially cause a fabric snag. I know, not like anything else on a gun can't; but you don't want to have that extra chance of catching it wrong on a shirt or hem.
Ambi controls/thumb safeties - do you like them? Are you used to them now? I carry a Smith and Wesson M&P 40 compact, no thumb safety, stock pistol. Ambi controls can be handy if you lose dexterity in your strong hand, but I would say practice shooting weak handed extensively. Practice until it's boring because you're consistently making good shots. Practice drawing and aiming with your weak hand. Figure out how the mechanics work beforehand so you don't struggle when split seconds may count.
Finally, in response to your original question - are you likely to be in a situation that requires you to use deadly force? Do you spend a lot of time in parts of your area that have violent crimes? If you don't, ease of carrying and small size are going to be your best friends. If you're routinely in a "shady" area, capacity and access are your standbys.
I'm comfortable carrying my M&P compact. It's probably too much for my area, but it's comfortable and comforting to me. I have 11 shots ready, and if I'm out in an unfamiliar situation or very public place (like a downtown event), I have another 10 with me. That should be more than enough to handle any threat I could encounter. If not, a)I really f*cked up; and b)my wife also has 21 shots
I'd recommend either an M&P Compact in 9mm or a Springfield XD Sub-Compact in 9mm, if it's just an everyday "don't expect to use it" carry. Otherwise, you may want to look into a Glock 19 or a duty-size XD 9mm.
Since there have already been several suggestions, I'll give an opinion on your next set of questions.
Night sights - I have them on my Glock 17 and they're really great for shooting in low light. If you're actually shooting in the dark, you'll (hopefully) be using a light somehow and I haven't found that they're necessary for night shooting. However, the Trijicons that are on my Glock are really nice in the day or night, so I would recommend a good set of Novak-style night sights on a carry gun.
CT/laser grips - no. Practice sight alignment, point shooting, and basic defense shooting. You don't need a little red dot you've come to rely on to get blocked by your hand in an awkward grip in a bad situation. It could cause enough of a hesitation to be the difference between you coming home or not. For a truck gun like a Taurus Judge or something - sure, stick 'em on there. But something you're carrying every day that you need as simple as you can get, you don't need 'em. Also, the bulge in the grip <span style="font-style: italic">could</span> potentially cause a fabric snag. I know, not like anything else on a gun can't; but you don't want to have that extra chance of catching it wrong on a shirt or hem.
Ambi controls/thumb safeties - do you like them? Are you used to them now? I carry a Smith and Wesson M&P 40 compact, no thumb safety, stock pistol. Ambi controls can be handy if you lose dexterity in your strong hand, but I would say practice shooting weak handed extensively. Practice until it's boring because you're consistently making good shots. Practice drawing and aiming with your weak hand. Figure out how the mechanics work beforehand so you don't struggle when split seconds may count.
Finally, in response to your original question - are you likely to be in a situation that requires you to use deadly force? Do you spend a lot of time in parts of your area that have violent crimes? If you don't, ease of carrying and small size are going to be your best friends. If you're routinely in a "shady" area, capacity and access are your standbys.
I'm comfortable carrying my M&P compact. It's probably too much for my area, but it's comfortable and comforting to me. I have 11 shots ready, and if I'm out in an unfamiliar situation or very public place (like a downtown event), I have another 10 with me. That should be more than enough to handle any threat I could encounter. If not, a)I really f*cked up; and b)my wife also has 21 shots
I'd recommend either an M&P Compact in 9mm or a Springfield XD Sub-Compact in 9mm, if it's just an everyday "don't expect to use it" carry. Otherwise, you may want to look into a Glock 19 or a duty-size XD 9mm.
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In my opinion, night sights are not needed on a defensive handgun for concealed carry. If you find yourself in a situation that requires you to defend yourself with a handgun (in any light conditions) it will happen so fast that you won't even look at your sights. If it does not happen that fast, there are probably other things you should do to get out of the situation.
I know you first stated that you want to stick with a 9mm, but my first choice would be a S&W J frame .38 Spl. with a pocket holster. After trying most combinations or autos, holsters, carry locations, etc., I have found that the J frame set up is the most simple, easiest to carry set up that I can wear with anything. It works well in all seasons (Michigan) if i'm wearing shorts, jeans, whatever. It is always in the same place, so under stress, I will hopefully know where to find it. It's weakness would be deploying while seated in a vehicle.
Wearing a 1911 ,or likewise, in a belt holster works fine for a while when you have enough clothes to cover it up, but becomes less concealable when you are wearing shorts and a t-shirt. I know guys do it, and say it's fine for them, but do they really carry it that way, every day, all the time?
Only my opinion.
In my opinion, night sights are not needed on a defensive handgun for concealed carry. If you find yourself in a situation that requires you to defend yourself with a handgun (in any light conditions) it will happen so fast that you won't even look at your sights. If it does not happen that fast, there are probably other things you should do to get out of the situation.
I know you first stated that you want to stick with a 9mm, but my first choice would be a S&W J frame .38 Spl. with a pocket holster. After trying most combinations or autos, holsters, carry locations, etc., I have found that the J frame set up is the most simple, easiest to carry set up that I can wear with anything. It works well in all seasons (Michigan) if i'm wearing shorts, jeans, whatever. It is always in the same place, so under stress, I will hopefully know where to find it. It's weakness would be deploying while seated in a vehicle.
Wearing a 1911 ,or likewise, in a belt holster works fine for a while when you have enough clothes to cover it up, but becomes less concealable when you are wearing shorts and a t-shirt. I know guys do it, and say it's fine for them, but do they really carry it that way, every day, all the time?
Only my opinion.
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My opinion several things come into play.
All of the above recommendations may work for that person and might not work for you. You need to be aware of how you dress, (this will influence your options) the size of person, weather conditions, etc.
In that I have to be in certain types of attire as a function of my work it was as much or more of a influence to my options. One that is often also overlooked is to try to get behind the options and talk to others as to how they put them into play. To me a XD Sub Compact is too wide and will not conceal well in my day to day attire. A CCW is not worth a tinkers damn if you do not carry the weapon. I went to the Ruger LCP .380 (9mm short) in that it is the easiest firearm for me to carry on a day in and day out basis.
My opinion several things come into play.
All of the above recommendations may work for that person and might not work for you. You need to be aware of how you dress, (this will influence your options) the size of person, weather conditions, etc.
In that I have to be in certain types of attire as a function of my work it was as much or more of a influence to my options. One that is often also overlooked is to try to get behind the options and talk to others as to how they put them into play. To me a XD Sub Compact is too wide and will not conceal well in my day to day attire. A CCW is not worth a tinkers damn if you do not carry the weapon. I went to the Ruger LCP .380 (9mm short) in that it is the easiest firearm for me to carry on a day in and day out basis.
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There is a lot of good advise here on what to investigate and possibly purchase. What I must add with emphasis is please stick with the name brand established firearms. I cannot count the number of students that show up at my concealed carry classes with off brand POS handguns. Always within 50 rounds the weapon fails in some way and they do not understand why... But they did get a good deal at the gun show.
There is a lot of good advise here on what to investigate and possibly purchase. What I must add with emphasis is please stick with the name brand established firearms. I cannot count the number of students that show up at my concealed carry classes with off brand POS handguns. Always within 50 rounds the weapon fails in some way and they do not understand why... But they did get a good deal at the gun show.
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In reality, you don't have that many options since you stated that you want 9mm. Sure there are a lot of different 9mm out there, but it is pretty obvious that size will be the factor given CCW.
I was very close to purchasing a Rohbarh (sp) R9, but between the price and the spring replacement advisement, I decided to pass.
Other than size and caliber, my other issue was a "safety". It is something to think about, which is directly related to how you intend to carry.
In reality, you don't have that many options since you stated that you want 9mm. Sure there are a lot of different 9mm out there, but it is pretty obvious that size will be the factor given CCW.
I was very close to purchasing a Rohbarh (sp) R9, but between the price and the spring replacement advisement, I decided to pass.
Other than size and caliber, my other issue was a "safety". It is something to think about, which is directly related to how you intend to carry.
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Again thank you for the great data. I currently have an M&P and love it. the ergonomics are really great and it justs fits me well and more importantly I shoot it well. I thought about the compact for CCW, but as other have pointed out its thick. thick can be uncomfortable at times and limit what you wear and that means you may not carry it and then its worthless. So i think the M&P and the XD's are out. The reason for sticking with 9mm, is i like the round i reload it and it will keep things simple and lets be honest a good 9mm round is damn good enough. I like the Kahr's but they re pricey. Any thoughts on the Keltecs, the walther PPS or the CZ's? and not to make this to crazy but since someone did bring up revolvers, what are the big pros or cons between revolvers and semi's i have literally no experience with revolvers which is why i didnt mention it, and having not shot one but just looking at them it would seem that a very short barreled revolver would be a bear to handle versus a semi just based on the leverage points and grip ergos but like i said thats based on looking at them and guessing a little.
Again thank you for the great data. I currently have an M&P and love it. the ergonomics are really great and it justs fits me well and more importantly I shoot it well. I thought about the compact for CCW, but as other have pointed out its thick. thick can be uncomfortable at times and limit what you wear and that means you may not carry it and then its worthless. So i think the M&P and the XD's are out. The reason for sticking with 9mm, is i like the round i reload it and it will keep things simple and lets be honest a good 9mm round is damn good enough. I like the Kahr's but they re pricey. Any thoughts on the Keltecs, the walther PPS or the CZ's? and not to make this to crazy but since someone did bring up revolvers, what are the big pros or cons between revolvers and semi's i have literally no experience with revolvers which is why i didnt mention it, and having not shot one but just looking at them it would seem that a very short barreled revolver would be a bear to handle versus a semi just based on the leverage points and grip ergos but like i said thats based on looking at them and guessing a little.
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Glock 26 plus a spare 17 round Glock 17 mag in a comp-tac IWB holster. If you really want to carry a nine. If not G27+spare G22 15 rd mag.
Glock 26 plus a spare 17 round Glock 17 mag in a comp-tac IWB holster. If you really want to carry a nine. If not G27+spare G22 15 rd mag.
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As mentioned the S&W J frame revolvers are a great option. You can even find them chambered for 9mm with moon clips which might be helpful for you.
I also carry a 340 M&P and a 342 at times, both are very lightweight which makes them great for carry but they are no fun to shoot. The 340 M&P isn't terrible with .38 loads and I can get a good 100 rounds of practice with it before I begin to flinch from the recoil. It has a scandium frame but stainless cylinder and that little bit of extra weight (2oz IIRC) makes a huge difference in felt recoil over the all scandium models. The 342 just plain hurts.
One nice advantage to the J frames that I have is since they do not have an exposed hammer they will function within a jacket pocket. Certainly not something I would want to do but the option is there nonetheless. I would also say that (quality) revolvers have a lesser chance of a malfunction than semi autos. Again whatever you choose to carry be sure to practice with it extensively.
342 in a Galco ankle glove on the left and 340 M&P in a Raven ACR on the right. The Galco is a fantastic carry method when wearing pants, you won't even notice it after the first 5 minutes.
340 M&P .357 up top, 342 .38 below
As mentioned the S&W J frame revolvers are a great option. You can even find them chambered for 9mm with moon clips which might be helpful for you.
I also carry a 340 M&P and a 342 at times, both are very lightweight which makes them great for carry but they are no fun to shoot. The 340 M&P isn't terrible with .38 loads and I can get a good 100 rounds of practice with it before I begin to flinch from the recoil. It has a scandium frame but stainless cylinder and that little bit of extra weight (2oz IIRC) makes a huge difference in felt recoil over the all scandium models. The 342 just plain hurts.
One nice advantage to the J frames that I have is since they do not have an exposed hammer they will function within a jacket pocket. Certainly not something I would want to do but the option is there nonetheless. I would also say that (quality) revolvers have a lesser chance of a malfunction than semi autos. Again whatever you choose to carry be sure to practice with it extensively.
342 in a Galco ankle glove on the left and 340 M&P in a Raven ACR on the right. The Galco is a fantastic carry method when wearing pants, you won't even notice it after the first 5 minutes.
340 M&P .357 up top, 342 .38 below
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Glock 19 in a kydex holster. As far as upgrades, I would only add night sights and a decal rubber grip.
If you want it for HD also, a flashlight would be a good idea.
Glock 19 in a kydex holster. As far as upgrades, I would only add night sights and a decal rubber grip.
If you want it for HD also, a flashlight would be a good idea.
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Revolvers are more difficult to shoot fast and accurately for the same amount of practice. This is mainly due to the heavier and longer trigger pulls associated with revolvers. There is also the fact some can not reload them as quickly as they can autos. Having said that, though I am very good with my Glock 19(which I have owned for 15 years now), I find I do not always want to carry it. However, I can always carry my 3" Ruger SP101 no matter what I wear due to it being mostly slim, with a small grip(yet still fits my hand well), and it brings 5 rounds of Buffalo Bore 357 to the table. You may say 5 rounds isn't much, but it is a lot better than no rounds if I do not feel like carrying the G19, which is bulky by comparison. The Ruger literally disappears. If you do not find the gun comfortable, you will often not carry it - even if you try and convince yourself they are supposed to be "comforting, not comfortable".
Some say a 357 is a bit much for shooting at night. I disagree. I find it lights up the target better than many flashlights do.
I've been shooting revolvers for about, oh... 30 odd years now. I'm not bad with one, and feel perfectly comfortable carrying one. After some practice, you get pretty quick with the reloads.
Concealed carry is always compromises. We all compromise differentlly. Trick is finding what works for you. Now, if I were going to war, I would have a full size Glock 18 backing up my Scar-H
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... but since someone did bring up revolvers, what are the big pros or cons between revolvers and semi's i have literally no experience with revolvers which is why i didnt mention it, and having not shot one but just looking at them it would seem that a very short barreled revolver would be a bear to handle versus a semi just based on the leverage points and grip ergos but like i said thats based on looking at them and guessing a little. </div></div>
Revolvers are more difficult to shoot fast and accurately for the same amount of practice. This is mainly due to the heavier and longer trigger pulls associated with revolvers. There is also the fact some can not reload them as quickly as they can autos. Having said that, though I am very good with my Glock 19(which I have owned for 15 years now), I find I do not always want to carry it. However, I can always carry my 3" Ruger SP101 no matter what I wear due to it being mostly slim, with a small grip(yet still fits my hand well), and it brings 5 rounds of Buffalo Bore 357 to the table. You may say 5 rounds isn't much, but it is a lot better than no rounds if I do not feel like carrying the G19, which is bulky by comparison. The Ruger literally disappears. If you do not find the gun comfortable, you will often not carry it - even if you try and convince yourself they are supposed to be "comforting, not comfortable".
Some say a 357 is a bit much for shooting at night. I disagree. I find it lights up the target better than many flashlights do.
Concealed carry is always compromises. We all compromise differentlly. Trick is finding what works for you. Now, if I were going to war, I would have a full size Glock 18 backing up my Scar-H
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... but since someone did bring up revolvers, what are the big pros or cons between revolvers and semi's i have literally no experience with revolvers which is why i didnt mention it, and having not shot one but just looking at them it would seem that a very short barreled revolver would be a bear to handle versus a semi just based on the leverage points and grip ergos but like i said thats based on looking at them and guessing a little. </div></div>
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You might want to look at the HK USP 9 compact, it's a tiny bit bigger than the others, (HK makes a smaller one, the P2000 SK) however the USP 9mm Compact is both small and at the same time easy to shoot and very accurate. You can get them pretty cheaply (by HK standards) and there are lots of different trigger / safety options you can have changed out.
The problem I have with most carry guns smaller than that, is that the gun you actually carry and one day may use to defend your life, should be one you practice with a lot. The other smaller ones I tried were just uncomfortable for me to shoot much.
You might want to look at the HK USP 9 compact, it's a tiny bit bigger than the others, (HK makes a smaller one, the P2000 SK) however the USP 9mm Compact is both small and at the same time easy to shoot and very accurate. You can get them pretty cheaply (by HK standards) and there are lots of different trigger / safety options you can have changed out.
The problem I have with most carry guns smaller than that, is that the gun you actually carry and one day may use to defend your life, should be one you practice with a lot. The other smaller ones I tried were just uncomfortable for me to shoot much.
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Kahr pm9. Small, lite, very accurate with a little practice
Kahr pm9. Small, lite, very accurate with a little practice
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ... I currently have an M&P and love it. the ergonomics are really great and it justs fits me well and more importantly I shoot it well. I thought about the compact for CCW, but as other have pointed out its thick ... </div></div>
This statement is very revealing NY, it's reason enough to try it.
I think thickness is a huge consideration when it comes to comfortable carry, but don't let anyone talk you out of a brand you already love. The familiarity between models can be huge.
One nice thing about revolvers is they are simple to use, and reliable. Both are good features of a self defense weapon.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ... I currently have an M&P and love it. the ergonomics are really great and it justs fits me well and more importantly I shoot it well. I thought about the compact for CCW, but as other have pointed out its thick ... </div></div>
This statement is very revealing NY, it's reason enough to try it.
I think thickness is a huge consideration when it comes to comfortable carry, but don't let anyone talk you out of a brand you already love. The familiarity between models can be huge.
One nice thing about revolvers is they are simple to use, and reliable. Both are good features of a self defense weapon.
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Revolvers are excellent for carry weapons as the immediate action for a FTF is pulling the trigger again. Doesn't get easier (or quicker) than that. Keep in mind the cylinder width. It is almost certainly wider than a full sized pistol. Depending on how it is carried, it may matter.
Revolvers are excellent for carry weapons as the immediate action for a FTF is pulling the trigger again. Doesn't get easier (or quicker) than that. Keep in mind the cylinder width. It is almost certainly wider than a full sized pistol. Depending on how it is carried, it may matter.
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my choice is a s,w airlight 38 spl . i have owned several others including a xd sub comp , the s,w is the best choice for me . i really liked the xd but in my case it was to fat for me . im totaly comfortable with 5 rounds of 38. it is more than enuf for me . i would suggest that you really think about what you need / want . very few people [ except leo /mil types ] really have any use for more that a couple shots in real world situations . decide what you are looking for , then go and shoot several guns that fit your needs , and see which will really work for you . if you dont know friends with the guns your interested in most large cities have rental facilities .
my choice is a s,w airlight 38 spl . i have owned several others including a xd sub comp , the s,w is the best choice for me . i really liked the xd but in my case it was to fat for me . im totaly comfortable with 5 rounds of 38. it is more than enuf for me . i would suggest that you really think about what you need / want . very few people [ except leo /mil types ] really have any use for more that a couple shots in real world situations . decide what you are looking for , then go and shoot several guns that fit your needs , and see which will really work for you . if you dont know friends with the guns your interested in most large cities have rental facilities .
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swarrick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Brother I am 5'10 and 200ish and I can carry a FS 1911 just fine, but with that said I would choose a G19 or XD. The Glock has the same safety as every other firearm in the world! Finger stright and OFF the Trigger just my .02
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Tell that to the newbie who gets his t shirt caught on the trigger. Who has the video of the cop shooting himself while reholstering in front of a class?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swarrick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Brother I am 5'10 and 200ish and I can carry a FS 1911 just fine, but with that said I would choose a G19 or XD. The Glock has the same safety as every other firearm in the world! Finger stright and OFF the Trigger just my .02
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Tell that to the newbie who gets his t shirt caught on the trigger. Who has the video of the cop shooting himself while reholstering in front of a class?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Highground</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion, night sights are not needed on a defensive handgun for concealed carry.
Wearing a 1911 ,or likewise, in a belt holster works fine for a while when you have enough clothes to cover it up, but becomes less concealable when you are wearing shorts and a t-shirt. I know guys do it, and say it's fine for them, but do they really carry it that way, every day, all the time?
Only my opinion.
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Night sights are a great tool to have on any gun that you would plan on using for a defensive purpose. My 1911 sit's in my night stand when it ain't on my hip. As far as carrying it I carry all the time everyday wearing a t shirt with shorts or jeans. The holster is what makes the big difference no matter what your carrying. I use a Crossbreed Supertuck Deluxe, and it makes a pistol disappear if you've got your shirt tucked in. If you don't then it will print more when you bend over to pick stuff up but thats the case with even the smallest of guns.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Highground</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion, night sights are not needed on a defensive handgun for concealed carry.
Wearing a 1911 ,or likewise, in a belt holster works fine for a while when you have enough clothes to cover it up, but becomes less concealable when you are wearing shorts and a t-shirt. I know guys do it, and say it's fine for them, but do they really carry it that way, every day, all the time?
Only my opinion.
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Night sights are a great tool to have on any gun that you would plan on using for a defensive purpose. My 1911 sit's in my night stand when it ain't on my hip. As far as carrying it I carry all the time everyday wearing a t shirt with shorts or jeans. The holster is what makes the big difference no matter what your carrying. I use a Crossbreed Supertuck Deluxe, and it makes a pistol disappear if you've got your shirt tucked in. If you don't then it will print more when you bend over to pick stuff up but thats the case with even the smallest of guns.
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You would be very surprised at how easily a thick gun such as an M&P could disappear with the right holster. Excepting t-shirt dress, my G19 is very concealable using my Raven holster. As others have said, a good belt is key to achieving the requisite level of comfort, retention, and concealment.
You would be very surprised at how easily a thick gun such as an M&P could disappear with the right holster. Excepting t-shirt dress, my G19 is very concealable using my Raven holster. As others have said, a good belt is key to achieving the requisite level of comfort, retention, and concealment.
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Good gun leather makes for a good carry experience. If the gun is not comfortable for you to carry you will never carry it. Don't go too heavy or too bulky. Glock makes a fine firearm, but you need to make sure that you are comfortable shooting it. I have a Springfield XD in 45 that I carry almost all the time. I like the pistol but I have a Kimber Super Carry Pro on order with my FFL.
Good gun leather makes for a good carry experience. If the gun is not comfortable for you to carry you will never carry it. Don't go too heavy or too bulky. Glock makes a fine firearm, but you need to make sure that you are comfortable shooting it. I have a Springfield XD in 45 that I carry almost all the time. I like the pistol but I have a Kimber Super Carry Pro on order with my FFL.
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I appreciate all the info. Like I mentioned earlier the glocks are alittle thick for me I don't seem to grip them well and inturn I don't shoot them well. I'm sure if I put enough ammo through them and spent the time I could certainly get to the level I would want to be at for a ccw pistol, but since this isn't a gun being issued to me I figure there is no reason to go that route when there are so manyothers that can do the job.
Right now I'm thinking
m&pc 9mm since I currently shoot a fullsize and I shoot it well and I would imagin there would be a big benefit to continuity but it is a little bigger then I want.
Walther pps 9mm size is good, thin, reports show good accuracy and a few good options with varable length with the magazines
Kahr P9 seems to be the cats meow for this type of gun, I like the feel and balance. But pricey and I don't see a ton of used ones to snag
Keltec 9mm seems to offer just about everything the others do and for way less. Most reports I read of failures all occured inside the first few hundred rounds then went a way, and hell I've never had a handgun that was nicer to shoot after a few hundred rounds.
I appreciate all the info. Like I mentioned earlier the glocks are alittle thick for me I don't seem to grip them well and inturn I don't shoot them well. I'm sure if I put enough ammo through them and spent the time I could certainly get to the level I would want to be at for a ccw pistol, but since this isn't a gun being issued to me I figure there is no reason to go that route when there are so manyothers that can do the job.
Right now I'm thinking
m&pc 9mm since I currently shoot a fullsize and I shoot it well and I would imagin there would be a big benefit to continuity but it is a little bigger then I want.
Walther pps 9mm size is good, thin, reports show good accuracy and a few good options with varable length with the magazines
Kahr P9 seems to be the cats meow for this type of gun, I like the feel and balance. But pricey and I don't see a ton of used ones to snag
Keltec 9mm seems to offer just about everything the others do and for way less. Most reports I read of failures all occured inside the first few hundred rounds then went a way, and hell I've never had a handgun that was nicer to shoot after a few hundred rounds.
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I have a G19 and I love it. However, I found it to be too large for me to carry on a daily basis here in warm/humid FL. I purchase a KelTec .380. It was great for carry, but I hated it at the range (which is where I actually shoot). I moved on to a Walther PPK. I know you want 9mm, but .380 reload should be that different. I like it due to DA/SA, safety/de-cocker, sights that work, and the accuracy that I am getting from a fixed barrel. It's smaller than most (not the smallest), but easily goes into a holster. At the range, I actually enjoy shooting it.
I have a G19 and I love it. However, I found it to be too large for me to carry on a daily basis here in warm/humid FL. I purchase a KelTec .380. It was great for carry, but I hated it at the range (which is where I actually shoot). I moved on to a Walther PPK. I know you want 9mm, but .380 reload should be that different. I like it due to DA/SA, safety/de-cocker, sights that work, and the accuracy that I am getting from a fixed barrel. It's smaller than most (not the smallest), but easily goes into a holster. At the range, I actually enjoy shooting it.
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I have over 10 weapons on my CCW...But the two IWB weapons I keep going to are...
Glock 19 (MTAC Holster): Because it's compact/comfortable...It conceals just as good as my G-27 but feels way better on the hand... + 15/17 round mag aint bad either.
Kahr MK9 (MTAC / DelFatti pocket Holster): because it's also comfortable & It fits in my pocket!...Easy to shoot & reliability is awesome.
Thats why my 1911's stay at home now even though I still get the urge to carry them OWB every now & then.
I have over 10 weapons on my CCW...But the two IWB weapons I keep going to are...
Glock 19 (MTAC Holster): Because it's compact/comfortable...It conceals just as good as my G-27 but feels way better on the hand... + 15/17 round mag aint bad either.
Kahr MK9 (MTAC / DelFatti pocket Holster): because it's also comfortable & It fits in my pocket!...Easy to shoot & reliability is awesome.
Thats why my 1911's stay at home now even though I still get the urge to carry them OWB every now & then.
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I carry a Kahr CW9 in a Crossbreed supertuck IWB holster.
I wear it most everywhere I go. A pair of shorts and a tee shirt, good to go. The gun weighs 17 onces empty and not much more loaded. I carry my spare mag in a Gerber knife sheath.
I had a Para Ord Carry 12,45ACP that always stayed home. It weighed too damn much empty(35 oz.), add 12 rounds of 45 and it was uncomfortable to carry.
I carry a Kahr CW9 in a Crossbreed supertuck IWB holster.
I wear it most everywhere I go. A pair of shorts and a tee shirt, good to go. The gun weighs 17 onces empty and not much more loaded. I carry my spare mag in a Gerber knife sheath.
I had a Para Ord Carry 12,45ACP that always stayed home. It weighed too damn much empty(35 oz.), add 12 rounds of 45 and it was uncomfortable to carry.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again thank you for the great data. I currently have an M&P and love it. the ergonomics are really great and it justs fits me well and more importantly I shoot it well. I thought about the compact for CCW, but as other have pointed out its thick. thick can be uncomfortable at times and limit what you wear and that means you may not carry it and then its worthless. So i think the M&P and the XD's are out. The reason for sticking with 9mm, is i like the round i reload it and it will keep things simple and lets be honest a good 9mm round is damn good enough. I like the Kahr's but they re pricey. Any thoughts on the Keltecs, the walther PPS or the CZ's? and not to make this to crazy but since someone did bring up revolvers, what are the big pros or cons between revolvers and semi's i have literally no experience with revolvers which is why i didnt mention it, and having not shot one but just looking at them it would seem that a very short barreled revolver would be a bear to handle versus a semi just based on the leverage points and grip ergos but like i said thats based on looking at them and guessing a little.</div></div>
I have a CZ75P01 (its a 9+1) - its a true good range shooter, very accurate, rarely malfunctions; of the 3 it would be my choice. But I prefer the H&K P7.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again thank you for the great data. I currently have an M&P and love it. the ergonomics are really great and it justs fits me well and more importantly I shoot it well. I thought about the compact for CCW, but as other have pointed out its thick. thick can be uncomfortable at times and limit what you wear and that means you may not carry it and then its worthless. So i think the M&P and the XD's are out. The reason for sticking with 9mm, is i like the round i reload it and it will keep things simple and lets be honest a good 9mm round is damn good enough. I like the Kahr's but they re pricey. Any thoughts on the Keltecs, the walther PPS or the CZ's? and not to make this to crazy but since someone did bring up revolvers, what are the big pros or cons between revolvers and semi's i have literally no experience with revolvers which is why i didnt mention it, and having not shot one but just looking at them it would seem that a very short barreled revolver would be a bear to handle versus a semi just based on the leverage points and grip ergos but like i said thats based on looking at them and guessing a little.</div></div>
I have a CZ75P01 (its a 9+1) - its a true good range shooter, very accurate, rarely malfunctions; of the 3 it would be my choice. But I prefer the H&K P7.
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If you like a Kahr in 9mm and want to save some $$$$ get the CW9.
Slightly larger than the PM9 and less cash. I have the CW9 and shot a PM9. I like the bigger CW9 frame but it is still easy to conceal.
If you like a Kahr in 9mm and want to save some $$$$ get the CW9.
Slightly larger than the PM9 and less cash. I have the CW9 and shot a PM9. I like the bigger CW9 frame but it is still easy to conceal.
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