Here it comes.... man killed for refusing to turn in guns.

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Teach Me Sensei said:
I guess the Red Flag was raised for a reason.

It was a temporary sieze but the man didn't want to follow instructions.
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Temporary or not where was due process in all of this? If you're a free man NOBODY has the right to disarm you without appearing in front of a judge first.

I don't give a shit if you have a felony, if you're released from prison, not on parole, etc you should get ALL of you're Rights back.

If you can't be trusted to be a good citizen or committed a heinous crime like rape or murder then you shouldn't be released from prison.

RFL's are unconstitutional and will lead to more violence and innocent people being killed because "someone said something". Freedom isn't free, and freedom can be dangerous. But I'll take dangerous freedom over "safe" tyranny any day.
 
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Sure, but I also understand the concept of double standards.

Everytime a mass shooting occurs everyone is saying that it is important to warn the government if they know someone whom they suspect has a screw loose. This man was reported for that and he even proved the allegations right.

A normal person would've followed instructions and stayed alive.
 
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Teach Me Sensei said:
Sure, but I also understand the concept of double standards.

Everytime a mass shooting occurs everyone is saying that it is important to warn the government if they know someone whom they suspect has a screw loose. This man was reported for that and he even proved the allegations right.

A normal person would've followed instructions and stayed alive.
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Enjoy your time in the camps on your knees.
 
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Teach Me Sensei said:
Sure, but I also understand the concept of double standards.

Everytime a mass shooting occurs everyone is saying that it is important to warn the government if they know someone whom they suspect has a screw loose. This man was reported for that and he even proved the allegations right.

A normal person would've followed instructions and stayed alive.
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Double standards are not in any way related to Due Process in the context of this thread. Turn your guns in now IF you actually own any.
 
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Jefe's Dope said:
there's a perfectly good "24 pscych" hold. No need to seize property that is not yours and is actually protected under your rights as an American citizen. If we keep changing the rules to fit the current "mood", we'd be subjects rather than citizens.
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You want to kidnap people and hold them hostage so people that hate us and hate our ideas, religion, beliefs, politics, gender, sexuality, skin color and everything else about us get to say if we are normal according to them?

And the supposed person denouncing us gets to stay anonymous and is protected from being sued & criminal charges filed on them for malicious reporting?

I suggest that you best think carefully about the nightmare you are setting up.

There is a reason the constitution requires that you have your day in court BEFORE you get your rights taken away on a whim having done nothing wrong and that you have a right to face your accuser and see the evidence against you and force those speaking against you to speak under oath with the threat of punishment if you can prove they lied.

"Mental Health" has been used by all the evil regimes as their favorite weapon to excuse grabbing their opponents.

Most of those "Mental Health" types are dyed in the wool communists and haters of freedom.
 
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D_TROS said:
Staying alive isn't the most important thing...just saying.


Regards,
DT
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??


I also see it differently. I see a patriot standing his ground. He complains that no one has 'organized' and still complains when one man takes a stand. Which is it? Compliance or resistance.
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
You want to kidnap people and hold them hostage so people that hate us and hate our ideas, religion, beliefs, politics, gender, sexuality, skin color and everything else about us get to say if we are normal according to them?

And the supposed person denouncing us gets to stay anonymous and is protected from being sued & criminal charges filed on them for malicious reporting?

I suggest that you best think carefully about the nightmare you are setting up.

There is a reason the constitution requires that you have your day in court BEFORE you get your rights taken away on a whim having done nothing wrong and that you have a right to face your accuser and see the evidence against you and force those speaking against you to speak under oath with the threat of punishment if you can prove they lied.

"Mental Health" has been used by all the evil regimes as their favorite weapon to excuse grabbing their opponents.

Most of those "Mental Health" types are dyed in the wool communists and haters of freedom.
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No, not at all. I'm just suggesting using current 'laws' to deal with mentally ill citizens rather than steal their rights and property. I'm also not blind to taking someone into a psych hold w/o due process. You do bring up a very valid argument.
 
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Jefe's Dope said:
No, not at all. I'm just suggesting using current 'laws' to deal with mentally ill citizens rather than steal their rights and property. I'm also not blind to taking someone into a psych hold w/o due process. You do bring up a very valid argument.
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"Mentally Ill" (liberal) definition. Owning more than one firearm and/or more than 8 rounds of ammunition.
 
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Teach Me Sensei said:
Sure, but I also understand the concept of double standards.

Everytime a mass shooting occurs everyone is saying that it is important to warn the government if they know someone whom they suspect has a screw loose. This man was reported for that and he even proved the allegations right.

A normal person would've followed instructions and stayed alive.
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So I guess you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty?
 
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....and this guy wasnt going to jail. He was getting his weapons siezed during an investigation that was going to take place, because he was Red Flagged.

The same thing would happen to a muslim gun-owner that you suspected he would hurt someone.

But since this man wasn't a muslim I guess he has more rights.....
 
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Teach Me Sensei said:
....and this guy wasnt going to jail. He was getting his weapons siezed during an investigation that was going to take place, because he was Red Flagged.

The same thing would happen to a muslim gun-owner that you suspected he would hurt someone.

But since this man wasn't a muslim I guess he has more rights.....
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Yeah cause fuck all those old amendments. Fuck facing your accuser. Fuck no search or seizure. Fuck due process amiright
 
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Teach Me Sensei said:
....and this guy wasnt going to jail. He was getting his weapons siezed during an investigation that was going to take place, because he was Red Flagged.

The same thing would happen to a muslim gun-owner that you suspected he would hurt someone.

But since this man wasn't a muslim I guess he has more rights.....
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If he was a U.S. citizen vs someone who was not, yes he has more rights.

Suggest googling "slippery slope", and watching the movie, "Minority Report".

Seriously, why are you on a pro-gun forum and advocating that it is ok to seize someone's firearms based on an inkling?
 
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This shit should be apealed in scotus beforehand.

It breaks to many of our rights.

The people pushing or signing it should be tried.

If there is part of that you don't get you should get out of here, you are not a patriot !
 
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EGwhisper said:
If he was a U.S. citizen vs someone who was not, yes he has more rights.

Suggest googling "slippery slope", and watching the movie, "Minority Report".

Seriously, why are you on a pro-gun forum and advocating that it is ok to seize someone's firearms based on an inkling?
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Because he is a gun owner and he clearly see things different from you. Why do you have to get personal?

Debate by making a point, not by pointing.....
 
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He's not even from the U.S. Probably some euro trash or some shithole resident/immigrant that comes here and fucks everything up.

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#39
Even in the 1980s several countries I visited, the people thought of firearms as a privilege, that was how they were seen by the public.

In the USA we view them as a right,
Protected by our constitution.

Some subversive commie basterds are trying to circumvent our laws and a lot of us don't plan on letting it happen.

That may help explain our attitude for the outlanders.
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
You want to kidnap people and hold them hostage so people that hate us and hate our ideas, religion, beliefs, politics, gender, sexuality, skin color and everything else about us get to say if we are normal according to them?

And the supposed person denouncing us gets to stay anonymous and is protected from being sued & criminal charges filed on them for malicious reporting?

I suggest that you best think carefully about the nightmare you are setting up.

There is a reason the constitution requires that you have your day in court BEFORE you get your rights taken away on a whim having done nothing wrong and that you have a right to face your accuser and see the evidence against you and force those speaking against you to speak under oath with the threat of punishment if you can prove they lied.

"Mental Health" has been used by all the evil regimes as their favorite weapon to excuse grabbing their opponents.

Most of those "Mental Health" types are dyed in the wool communists and haters of freedom.
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Can’t hit enough likes for this response.
These laws are thinly veiled confiscation and snuff laws imo.
Nice way to get the camels nose in the tent.
 
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D_TROS said:
Staying alive isn't the most important thing...just saying.


Regards,
DT
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I'd try to stay alive and try to make it back onto the streets alive so I can check back with certain motherfuckers who'd done fucked me over in the first place, and make them pay, on my own terms and setting of my choosing. Just sayin'...
 
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Don't misconstrue my comments meaning Im giving up easily or Im even capable of fighting back...just pointing out a righteous death is more "valuable" long term then giving in because "I didn't want to die" whiny shit liberal media pushes forces us to keel over our freedoms more and more every day.

Everyone dies. Have you thought about that? I mean really considered that? Very few have.

The BS thing is the wording of these laws. Have you read them? Just passed in CO. You are "guilty until proven innocent." WTF is that??

Im not old (35 with 3 little boys) and Im not ready to die either. Ive got a family to look after. Ive asked myself daily what if the man comes to get my weapons because my neighbor who already hates me because I own an outside dog and has repeatedly called the cops on me for animal abuse and LIED to try to get me in trouble. Tthere will be no hesitation if they think they can get my guns and laugh because they are doing the right thing.


Yea I don't know either. easy to say things on the internet. Walking the walk on the other hand...


Regards,
DT
 
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Snuby642 said:
Any lawyers here?

What is the process for getting scotus to hear a case?

These people are clearly violating the constitution.
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Has to go through the lower courts first if they lose all the way there then they choose to hear the case or send it back to the lower court. Very brief overview I'm sure some better explanations are available here. That's why some lawsuits don't want to win at a lower level court they want the big win at scotus.
 
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D_TROS said:
Don't misconstrue my comments meaning Im giving up easily or Im even capable of fighting back...just pointing out a righteous death is more "valuable" long term then giving in because "I didn't want to die" whiny shit liberal media pushes forces us to keel over our freedoms more and more every day.

Everyone dies. Have you thought about that? I mean really considered that? Very few have.

The BS thing is the wording of these laws. Have you read them? Just passed in CO. You are "guilty until proven innocent." WTF is that??

Im not old (35 with 3 little boys) and Im not ready to die either. Ive got a family to look after. Ive asked myself daily what if the man comes to get my weapons because my neighbor who already hates me because I own an outside dog and has repeatedly called the cops on me for animal abuse and LIED to try to get me in trouble. Tthere will be no hesitation if they think they can get my guns and laugh because they are doing the right thing.


Yea I don't know either. easy to say things on the internet. Walking the walk on the other hand...


Regards,
DT
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DT. Git off yer ass and move to Wyoming already. Your one of the few I’ll let come up here.
 
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D_TROS said:
Don't misconstrue my comments meaning Im giving up easily or Im even capable of fighting back...just pointing out a righteous death is more "valuable" long term then giving in because "I didn't want to die" whiny shit liberal media pushes forces us to keel over our freedoms more and more every day.

Everyone dies. Have you thought about that? I mean really considered that? Very few have.

The BS thing is the wording of these laws. Have you read them? Just passed in CO. You are "guilty until proven innocent." WTF is that??

Im not old (35 with 3 little boys) and Im not ready to die either. Ive got a family to look after. Ive asked myself daily what if the man comes to get my weapons because my neighbor who already hates me because I own an outside dog and has repeatedly called the cops on me for animal abuse and LIED to try to get me in trouble. Tthere will be no hesitation if they think they can get my guns and laugh because they are doing the right thing.


Yea I don't know either. easy to say things on the internet. Walking the walk on the other hand...


Regards,
DT
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I understand you perfectly and I know where you are coming from. I, too realize that individual life is fleeting and temporary compared to that of geology and even human society, and I am sure everyone here realizes it too. That is why I intend to make as much of a lasting positive influence and legacy as I can with the time that God has alotted me here. Congratulations regarding your children and I wish you all the best. The same goes for everyone else here. That is why if I am ever faced with the possibility of having to make the ultimate sacrifice in order to protect what is sacred to me, I will never do it at the bidding and instigation of those who are trying to take it from me. It will be on my own terms. Or at least an attempt will be made.

[Repost. Weak signal fucking my display up.]
 
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Snuby642 said:
Any lawyers here?

What is the process for getting scotus to hear a case?

These people are clearly violating the constitution.
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I'm not a lawyer, but I know a little. The first thing you need is someone with standing- meaning someone needs to be affected by the law. Not "I'm an American and these laws are fucked up" affected but rather "my second and 4th amendment rights were ACTUALLY violated when the police busted down my door and removed my property without due process" affected. Then you're going to need a lawyer willing to go all the way. For that, you'll need a pile of cash- so probably also the backing of a national gun rights organization. And all that only if the defendant lives through the initial encounter with the police confiscating the firearms. AND, that person will neeed to be able to show that he is not a mentally unstable.

No one wants to be the test case, and the "death before dishonor" mentality doesn't help the likelihood of finding the next Heller...
 
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