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Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

rcamuglia

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My load development methods have been refined quite a bit.

From group shooting at 100 to long range Audette ladders the wanted end is the same; a long range load that shows no vertical stringing. I've started doing something that is working well and seems to be a more direct route to find "The Load" for my rifles.

Loading complete ladders at the home bench and shooting them at the range always leaves loaded ammo that you need to pull bullets from and dump powder. Instead, I simply charge the cases at home, take the press to the range and seat bullets there. I seat a couple at the starting charge and shoot them at the longest range possible to try to quickly find a load with no vertical. After I shoot 2, if they show promise, I seat more one at a time of the same charge until they either convince me that it is "The Load" or show vertical. I move on to the next set of charged cases if too much vertical exists.

The problem lies with being able to see the impacts. I started by shooting a 36"x36" steel plate to do this. The black painted plate showed the hits well but I had to drive down and repaint it if "The Load" wasn't right. This is inconvenient unless you are the only guy using the range!

I found some YouTube videos of homemade Shoot 'n See targets. I kinda used their ideas but simplified the process a tad. I taped a black trash liner on some sheets of cardboard, painted them flat white and stapled them to the F-class frames. At 600 yards it is easy to see your impacts through your scope. The paint flakes off around the bullet hole and shows the black plastic bag. Great contrast. I think they may work way out to 1000 yards with a good spotting scope.

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I am at the end of my A-Maxes for the Creedmoor. I had 600 Scenars and also a box of the new Hornady 140 BTHP Match bullets I wanted to test.
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

Now that is genius. I may have to utilize this trick for my next ladder test. Thanks for the tip.
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

damn great idea, tagging this so i remember to use it next time
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

thanks for sharing I just may do this in my ladder test this week thanks again for a great idea.
 
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The other cool thing is that you can just save them, spray paint over the holes and use them over and over.

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Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

Am I understanding this correctly...

The trashbag is painted, and is the first thing the bullet impacts? The carboard is only a backer, to support the trashbag?
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Am I understanding this correctly...

The trashbag is painted, and is the first thing the bullet impacts? The carboard is only a backer, to support the trashbag?</div></div>

Yes. I taped the trash bag on the cardboard then painted it.

A white trash bag painted black would probably be great as well
 
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Nice work! Thanks for the tip....
 
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Awesome. I am going to make some of these today and go shoot them up
 
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Excellent work rcamuglia. Here's my own effort at Shoot-n-C.
This was made from some white self adhesive vinyl sheet sprayed with black paint.

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Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

Looks Great!

I thought it would look good with white underneath and black on the surface!

I may try it both ways and see which is easier to see at 600 or more yards...
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

I like it. Tagging for a future range trip.
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MNS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where did you find the white self adhesive vinyl? </div></div>

I bought the vinyl at our local discount store here in the UK. It's the stuff used to cover wooden shelves with and comes in a roll like wallpaper

I now pin a sheet, about a yard long to a board then paint it all over. When it's dry cut it up into usable sizes.

I have found that you need to experiment a bit with different paint - I have had good results by rubbing candlewax over the sheet of vinyl then spraying with plastic auto bumper paint.

(or you could just buy the real thing - but that's not the point is it :))
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MNS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where did you find the white self adhesive vinyl? </div></div>

you should be able to find it at most any sign or graphics shop.

the ones around here will sell it by the linear foot. It will probably be available in 24-36" widths.
most will have white, black, several shades of blue, brown, etc. Call your local sign shop and ask. i buy mine from the local FastSigns ( US store locations) .

(not affiliated with fastsigns other than being a happy customer!)


HTH!
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

Black rubbish bag, staples, white spray paint.

It doesn't get easier than that.

Thanks, rcamuglia.
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

This is such an awesome idea.
I swear you guys really come up with some awesome stuff.

Thanks for posting this.
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

I had a go with a different idea this morning.
This was with just plain white A4 paper put through the plastic laminator (80 micron) then sprayed black. I tried four different types of spray cans, they all worked but the best results came from stuff called Rust-Oleum Universal All surface paint, Satin Black. (left). This was purchased in our local B&Q hardware store.
These were shot at 60yds with .22 sub-sonic ammo.
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Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

Tried this yesterday and had pretty good results. Black trash bad with white upside paint against cardboard. I could easily see the hits 320 yards.

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"Black trash bad with white upside paint against cardboard."

Cool. But, what's white "upside" paint?
 
Re: Homemade "shoot 'n see" target for long range

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Black trash bad with white upside paint against cardboard."

Cool. But, what's white "upside" paint?</div></div>
The upside is it worked if it didn't it would have the the downside.
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Rick told me of his home made Shoot N See target last year. I finally tried it last week with large sheets of cardboard and a 10'x30' roll of black 3.5mil black plastic purchased at a local Lowes hardware store. Last week, the wind was blowing 10-18 mph and the cardboard was falling over, bending and just making things miserable. So, I bought a 4'x8'x7/16" sheet of pressboard and had it cut in 1/2. I hung the plywood from my rebar A-frame and WaLa! I used the cheapest $.97 cent can of flat white paint I got a Lowes hardware. Takes close to a can to paint a 4'x4' sheet of plastic. Problem solved. I jury rigged the 2nd target to the left of my rebar A-frame by tying one side to the A-frame and staking out the other side with two lines and tent stakes. Wind wasn't a problem as it topped out at 3 mph yesterday. This is a 607 yd ladder with my heavy 6.5x47 using the new 140 Berger Hybrid and H4350. I had my LV Steel 1/2 silhouette sitting up against the right side to use as a spotter round before using the home made Shoot N See. Could easily see the hits through both my NF 5.5x22 at 22x and my Zeiss spotter @ 45x.

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Oh yeah! My results from using Ricks method of charging all the cases at home and seating them at the range. 40.6 to 40.8 gr H4350 seated to touch or 10 thou out from the lands.

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Alan
 
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