I read a review about the new hornady concentricity tool in the American Rifleman and was wandering if anyone has had any first hand experience with it and what you thought about it. Thanks in advance.
hornady concentricty tool?
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I got one right after they came out. I use Lee dies, and wanted to see how concentric my reloads were, and figured if I got a guage that also corrected for errors that might be nice.
I found that my .223 full length sized reloads were typically within .001 (must have gotten lucky with this die), my neck sized .223 were typically within .003. My .308 reloads were typically within .004 (both neck and full length). So, I've been able to use this tool quite a bit.
It's pretty easy to set up, and it does help correct for concentricity. It takes a little finesse and practice to figure out how much pressure to use on the little screw. I can get my loads to within .001.
Honestly, it's better to correct the source of the problem than just keep tweaking the resulting reloads...but I figure that this tool can both measure how f*cked your reloads are and correct them while you experiment with fixing the source of the problem for about the same amount of money as just a gauge.
So, to wrap up my ramble...I think it was money well spent.
I got one right after they came out. I use Lee dies, and wanted to see how concentric my reloads were, and figured if I got a guage that also corrected for errors that might be nice.
I found that my .223 full length sized reloads were typically within .001 (must have gotten lucky with this die), my neck sized .223 were typically within .003. My .308 reloads were typically within .004 (both neck and full length). So, I've been able to use this tool quite a bit.
It's pretty easy to set up, and it does help correct for concentricity. It takes a little finesse and practice to figure out how much pressure to use on the little screw. I can get my loads to within .001.
Honestly, it's better to correct the source of the problem than just keep tweaking the resulting reloads...but I figure that this tool can both measure how f*cked your reloads are and correct them while you experiment with fixing the source of the problem for about the same amount of money as just a gauge.
So, to wrap up my ramble...I think it was money well spent.
Re: hornady concentricty tool?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I read a review about the new hornady concentricity tool in the American Rifleman and was wandering if anyone has had any first hand experience with it and what you thought about it. Thanks in advance. </div></div>
Go to Midway and read the reviews on this new tool. Of the dozen there, all of them say it's great, but there's one guy who has it and another brand and he compares measurements.
His findings are that the Hornady tool seems to give different measurements (tighter) than the other 'brand' which he doesn't name. His opinion is that the 'V block' gages are more accurate than the method of using a case holder that the Hornady tool uses.
I can't say he's right or wrong, as I don't own one, but I'm looking at the Sinclair tool if I do get one.
Just some food for thought.
Chris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I read a review about the new hornady concentricity tool in the American Rifleman and was wandering if anyone has had any first hand experience with it and what you thought about it. Thanks in advance. </div></div>
Go to Midway and read the reviews on this new tool. Of the dozen there, all of them say it's great, but there's one guy who has it and another brand and he compares measurements.
His findings are that the Hornady tool seems to give different measurements (tighter) than the other 'brand' which he doesn't name. His opinion is that the 'V block' gages are more accurate than the method of using a case holder that the Hornady tool uses.
I can't say he's right or wrong, as I don't own one, but I'm looking at the Sinclair tool if I do get one.
Just some food for thought.
Chris
Re: hornady concentricty tool?
I was hoping to get one soon but havent been able to find one yet. I do have the new prep center sitting at the store on hold waiting for me to bring it home, hopefully this week.
I was hoping to get one soon but havent been able to find one yet. I do have the new prep center sitting at the store on hold waiting for me to bring it home, hopefully this week.
Re: hornady concentricty tool?
If your serious about concentricity then my advise could be summed up in one word...NECO.
Warning be prepared to spend some $$$ money on all new dies
~Mike
If your serious about concentricity then my advise could be summed up in one word...NECO.
Warning be prepared to spend some $$$ money on all new dies
~Mike
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I bought one and think it is great!It isn't quite as accurate as my sinclair BUT I but factory seconds for a couple of my guns and the runout is terrible while watching outdoor ch.on tv I repair the loads w/it,then go shooting.I can't reload for what I am buying these factory seconds for. So it was worth it for me.To each his own.
Wayne.
I bought one and think it is great!It isn't quite as accurate as my sinclair BUT I but factory seconds for a couple of my guns and the runout is terrible while watching outdoor ch.on tv I repair the loads w/it,then go shooting.I can't reload for what I am buying these factory seconds for. So it was worth it for me.To each his own.
Wayne.
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I have both the Hornady tool and the Bersin tool. Your question perplexed me, so I measured 10 cases loaded with 100g SII in my .25-06 case. Here are my results.
Hornady Bersin
0.0015 - 0.0072
0.002 - 0.0036
0.0015 - 0.0092
0.001 - 0.0032
0.001 - 0.0036
0.0005 - 0.0048
0.000 - 0.0068
0.000 - 0.0056
0.001 - 0.0016
0.0005 - 0.002
I corrected with the Bersin tool and this was what I got:
Hornady Bersin
0.001 - 0.0008
0.0015 - 0.0004
0.001 - 0.0004
0.001 - 0.0012
0.001 - 0.0008
0.001 - 0.0012
0.001 - 0.0008
0.001 - 0.0012
0.001 - 0.0008
0.001 - 0.0012
So I tend to think the Hornady tool doesnt do a great job. I have played with it quite a bit, but havent been able to get it to match up to the Bersin. I know the Bersin is expensive, but it does what I need it to do. If you look at the corrected ammo, I cant explain my misses on concentricity.
Hope this helps.
I have both the Hornady tool and the Bersin tool. Your question perplexed me, so I measured 10 cases loaded with 100g SII in my .25-06 case. Here are my results.
Hornady Bersin
0.0015 - 0.0072
0.002 - 0.0036
0.0015 - 0.0092
0.001 - 0.0032
0.001 - 0.0036
0.0005 - 0.0048
0.000 - 0.0068
0.000 - 0.0056
0.001 - 0.0016
0.0005 - 0.002
I corrected with the Bersin tool and this was what I got:
Hornady Bersin
0.001 - 0.0008
0.0015 - 0.0004
0.001 - 0.0004
0.001 - 0.0012
0.001 - 0.0008
0.001 - 0.0012
0.001 - 0.0008
0.001 - 0.0012
0.001 - 0.0008
0.001 - 0.0012
So I tend to think the Hornady tool doesnt do a great job. I have played with it quite a bit, but havent been able to get it to match up to the Bersin. I know the Bersin is expensive, but it does what I need it to do. If you look at the corrected ammo, I cant explain my misses on concentricity.
Hope this helps.
Re: hornady concentricty tool?
I'm the guy that wrote the bad review at midway on the hornady tool and I pretty much stand by it after more playing around. My other tool is a rcbs v block. The hornady ALWAYS measuures way less runnout than the v block. I don't think I can reload any of my cases to be over .003 with the hornady. The problem as I see it is the case is suported at the tip of the bullet and at the base of the case. Then you are measuring at the ogive which is so close to the tip that it doesn't make sense that there would hardly be any measurable "wobble". If the casing laid in your chamber and was supported at the tip this would all be fine but it isn't.
I can acutally measure rounds that have .006 on my rcbs....I can see the bullet wobble...then put the same case on the hornady and it might show me .001 runnout. Sometimes when I fix runnout on the hornady it actually gets WORSE on the rcbs. It's almost as if the 2 units pick up runnout at different points. It would appear to me the rcbs is doing the job properly.
RE how the hornady repairs runnout. I works pretty good on factory fresh or loads that haven't been work hardened. But if you have big cases with 4-5 reloads fixing isn't nearly as easy. AND if you think you can do a fix job on wsm cases....forget it....I'm afraid I'd strip the adjuster first.
I haven't decided to ebay it yet.....but it may head there sometime soon.
I'm the guy that wrote the bad review at midway on the hornady tool and I pretty much stand by it after more playing around. My other tool is a rcbs v block. The hornady ALWAYS measuures way less runnout than the v block. I don't think I can reload any of my cases to be over .003 with the hornady. The problem as I see it is the case is suported at the tip of the bullet and at the base of the case. Then you are measuring at the ogive which is so close to the tip that it doesn't make sense that there would hardly be any measurable "wobble". If the casing laid in your chamber and was supported at the tip this would all be fine but it isn't.
I can acutally measure rounds that have .006 on my rcbs....I can see the bullet wobble...then put the same case on the hornady and it might show me .001 runnout. Sometimes when I fix runnout on the hornady it actually gets WORSE on the rcbs. It's almost as if the 2 units pick up runnout at different points. It would appear to me the rcbs is doing the job properly.
RE how the hornady repairs runnout. I works pretty good on factory fresh or loads that haven't been work hardened. But if you have big cases with 4-5 reloads fixing isn't nearly as easy. AND if you think you can do a fix job on wsm cases....forget it....I'm afraid I'd strip the adjuster first.
I haven't decided to ebay it yet.....but it may head there sometime soon.
Re: hornady concentricty tool?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm the guy that wrote the bad review at midway on the hornady tool and I pretty much stand by it after more playing around. My other tool is a rcbs v block. The hornady ALWAYS measuures way less runnout than the v block. I don't think I can reload any of my cases to be over .003 with the hornady. The problem as I see it is the case is suported at the tip of the bullet and at the base of the case. Then you are measuring at the ogive which is so close to the tip that it doesn't make sense that there would hardly be any measurable "wobble". If the casing laid in your chamber and was supported at the tip this would all be fine but it isn't.
I can acutally measure rounds that have .006 on my rcbs....I can see the bullet wobble...then put the same case on the hornady and it might show me .001 runnout. Sometimes when I fix runnout on the hornady it actually gets WORSE on the rcbs. It's almost as if the 2 units pick up runnout at different points. It would appear to me the rcbs is doing the job properly.
RE how the hornady repairs runnout. I works pretty good on factory fresh or loads that haven't been work hardened. But if you have big cases with 4-5 reloads fixing isn't nearly as easy. AND if you think you can do a fix job on wsm cases....forget it....I'm afraid I'd strip the adjuster first.
I haven't decided to ebay it yet.....but it may head there sometime soon. </div></div>
Thank God for Al Gore and his Inferweb.
Chris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm the guy that wrote the bad review at midway on the hornady tool and I pretty much stand by it after more playing around. My other tool is a rcbs v block. The hornady ALWAYS measuures way less runnout than the v block. I don't think I can reload any of my cases to be over .003 with the hornady. The problem as I see it is the case is suported at the tip of the bullet and at the base of the case. Then you are measuring at the ogive which is so close to the tip that it doesn't make sense that there would hardly be any measurable "wobble". If the casing laid in your chamber and was supported at the tip this would all be fine but it isn't.
I can acutally measure rounds that have .006 on my rcbs....I can see the bullet wobble...then put the same case on the hornady and it might show me .001 runnout. Sometimes when I fix runnout on the hornady it actually gets WORSE on the rcbs. It's almost as if the 2 units pick up runnout at different points. It would appear to me the rcbs is doing the job properly.
RE how the hornady repairs runnout. I works pretty good on factory fresh or loads that haven't been work hardened. But if you have big cases with 4-5 reloads fixing isn't nearly as easy. AND if you think you can do a fix job on wsm cases....forget it....I'm afraid I'd strip the adjuster first.
I haven't decided to ebay it yet.....but it may head there sometime soon. </div></div>
Thank God for Al Gore and his Inferweb.
Chris
