House Budget Proposal to remove Tax on Suppressors but not remove it from the NFA

If they were as pro 2A as they said there would be no compromise.

However, I'm sure they have been given guidance from the current administration that the best deal is one which neither side is 100% satisfied with the outcome (there is compromise).

In my opinion the biggest oversight in this is that they only applied this language to Form 4s
 
Say what you want about the $200 stamp, but it was that same price all the way back in 1934 and they never accounted for inflation. If they did account for it, the stamp would be almost $4,800 today. :eek:

shhh don't remind them
We are still way behind when you consider how poorly managed social security and other gov programs are managed. I'd argue most of that inflation is government induced in the last 40 years
 
While we're at it, SBRs and SBSs need to be removed from the list as well. Because like with suppressors, those are regulated for a stupid reason that makes no sense nowadays. They were put on the list so people couldn't chop the barrels and stocks off their long guns to get around the handgun restrictions back then. Nowadays, all 50 states allow handguns. Obviously some states are more strict than others, but they aren't outright banned.
 
While we're at it, SBRs and SBSs need to be removed from the list as well. Because like with suppressors, those are regulated for a stupid reason that makes no sense nowadays. They were put on the list so people couldn't chop the barrels and stocks off their long guns to get around the handgun restrictions back then. Nowadays, all 50 states allow handguns. Obviously some states are more strict than others, but they aren't outright banned.
Eh just take the tax to zero ;)
 
We are still way behind when you consider how poorly managed social security and other gov programs are managed. I'd argue most of that inflation is government induced in the last 40 years
Adding to that people borrowing money and financing things they other wise could not afford. IMO that is the main driver of inflation.

But thats a bit of a de rail from this topic.
 
Say what you want about the $200 stamp, but it was that same price all the way back in 1934 and they never accounted for inflation. If they did account for it, the stamp would be almost $4,800 today. :eek:
That’s just a justification used by those that think registration is a good idea. Not a personal attack.
Eh just take the tax to zero ;)
It’s still a back door way to get people registered. A registration, even $0 registration, makes us sheep get used to being tracked. That’s literally why most pols, of either “party” like them. Control is such an addiction.
 
NFA needs to go away including ATF. as i understand it,suppressors are mandatory for hunting in some Euro countries? the whole pistol BS is a result of gov SBR restrictions. there COULD be some discussion about full auto. hardly anybody can afford them except cartels due to long standing import bans. love to have 1 but couldn't afford to feed it and cleaning it would be a major pain in my ass.
the setup for deep gov surveillance is never going away. the 2nd is never going be allowed to exist in the way that it was meant. the no tax thing is just a sop to 2A believers. the gov wants to weaken any chance of effective resistance. if we had gotten Harris they would have gone after BA hunting rifles as "sniper" rifles.
 
The HPA was removed from the bill by a guy who claims to be all about removing suppressors from the NFA since 2017. The short act bill to remove the sbr and sbs was also removed by republicans that sit on a super majority poised to obstruct any progress and not keep one promise made. This is a Trojan horse. They have a chance to do what they said. They never planned to do it. Fuck those hoebags.
 
That’s just a justification used by those that think registration is a good idea. Not a personal attack.

It’s still a back door way to get people registered. A registration, even $0 registration, makes us sheep get used to being tracked. That’s literally why most pols, of either “party” like them. Control is such an addiction.

Couldn’t agree more, my comment was tongue in check at towards the first comment of how $200 inflated is $4k because even the uninflated number is wrong.

Registry sucks and unfortunately is all too possible anyway in a world of AI and credit cards
 
If they remove the tax, how can it stay on the NFA? The point of the NFA was that the Roosevelt admin could not ban guns. But it could require a tax stamp that always so expensive that no one could justify it.

Because it is unconstitutional for the Fed to ban something. But you can put it on a list to tax it and then never issue the tax stamp. That’s how they do narcotics, too.

So eliminate the tax and it’s an arguably unconstitutional ban.

Might be a way to backdoor remove the suppressors.

Sirhr
 
While we're at it, SBRs and SBSs need to be removed from the list as well. Because like with suppressors, those are regulated for a stupid reason that makes no sense nowadays. They were put on the list so people couldn't chop the barrels and stocks off their long guns to get around the handgun restrictions back then. Nowadays, all 50 states allow handguns. Obviously some states are more strict than others, but they aren't outright banned.

It's because handguns were originally on the NFA, and they only got dropped because it was holding up getting it passed.
 
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So we got fucked again by republicans...got it.
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If they were as pro 2A as they said there would be no compromise.

However, I'm sure they have been given guidance from the current administration that the best deal is one which neither side is 100% satisfied with the outcome (there is compromise).

In my opinion the biggest oversight in this is that they only applied this language to Form 4s
No free form 1s?
 
That’s just a justification used by those that think registration is a good idea. Not a personal attack.

Nah, the tax stamp thing really had nothing to do with registration. It was all about making it financially difficult or impossible for a typical working class civilian to afford a machine gun. That's why I brought up the inflation thing. Nowadays thanks to the Hughes Amendment of 1986, a machine gun is gonna run you an easy 15-20 grand so an extra $200 is nothing. But back in 1934 an extra $200 for something that's only worth $100 was a problem and would detour ownership.
 
Nah, the tax stamp thing really had nothing to do with registration. It was all about making it financially difficult or impossible for a typical working class civilian to afford a machine gun. That's why I brought up the inflation thing. Nowadays thanks to the Hughes Amendment of 1986, a machine gun is gonna run you an easy 15-20 grand so an extra $200 is nothing. But back in 1934 an extra $200 for something that's only worth $100 was a problem and would detour ownership.
"Nothing to do with registration." From the people who are constantly trying to enact this or that backdoor gun registry and have been caught using the back ground check system as a registry.


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My biggest gripe is the $200 stamp. If they want to get rid of that, it would remove 90% of my complaints.
Would the other 10% of your complaints be about voting for a guy who said he wants to do one thing, but when he has the litteral opportunity to do that thing he refuses and makes excuses. "It wouldn't have passed senate reconciliation... The other memebers of the commity thought it would. It definitely won't pass now.
 
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It's because handguns were originally on the NFA, and they only got dropped because it was holding up getting it passed.

I am not sure that was correct. I don't think handguns were ever considered.

But the SBR and 'barrel length' thing was a response (along with most of the NFA) to the prohibition gang wars of the 1920's and the Bank Robbery scourge of the 1930's. In both cases, the sawed-down shotgun, the sawed-down BAR or rifle, etc. was a weapon of choice. And so was an easy target, especially as folks were decrying 'No Sporting Purpose' to something like a 12" Greener double.

Well yeah, no sporting purpose to a coach gun. But plenty of purpose in bandit country!

NFA was all about appearing to 'do something' to stop the Dillinger/Pretty Boy/Bonnie-Clyde, etc violence that was getting massively hyped up during the early depression by the media (selling papers and radio broadcasts) and Hollywood, which was only to happy to sensationalize all of it. That the Roosevelt Admin got the added benefit of reducing the possibility that an armed Communist/anarchist/fascist uprising (that they could not have hoped to fight effectively) might arise in the Depression... was an added bonus.

And over the decades "Blame the Gun" became a Democrat mantra. Along with watching how Stalin and Hitler and Hirohito (Japanese had forbidden private weapons ownership for decades) could so easily cow an unarmed population and force regulations, social engineering, etc. on them... made removal of arms from the population a natural path for a party that wants to elimiinate personal freedoms, states rights and individual responsibility... in favor of a nanny state that will dictate every aspect of life... cradle to grave. Which is what the socialists who started hijacking the Democratic Party as early as Wilson... are all about.

These are not Andrew Jackson Democrats. They are Marx/Engels/Leninist/Maoist/FOCO types who found it convenient to hijack a party with 200 years of history... because noone wanted the shit they were being fed by the Red Book-carrying commies who said "Give everything up for Utopia..." when what humans really wanted was a Porsche, a big house and a nice boat -- which are the symbols of individuality, success and personal freedom.

Guns protect those. The NFA was the original 'Camels nose under the tent." Unless, of course, you want to include the Southern Democrats forbidding blacks from owning guns in the pre-Civil war and Reconstruction era. Because they knew the way to keep a population oppressed was to keep them disarmed and terrorized. And, of course, New York's Sullivan Law, which was largely designed to keep the sub-human Irish and Italian and Slav populations flooding the city... from being armed. And remember... the Democrat Machine came out of New York. They were well aware of the Sullivan Law....

Anyhoo.... I ramble on. We'll see about suppressors. In the EU, you can walk into any store and for less than $50 walk out with a suppressor with no paperwork at all. The same asshole politicians who bray on about how 'progressive Europe's gun laws are' have no fucking clue.

At this point, it's all reactionary anyway. Instead of looking at suppressors as a benefit (hearing protection, not annoying Karens in increasingly congested rural areas... therefore cutting down on useless LE calls and responses), hunting and culling species in urban areas... it's all about "If those rednecks want it, we're against it and we're going to punish them because they aren't bicycle-riding 15-minute city, tranny-loving socialists." So they are going to 'get them' any way they can. From making pickup trucks that suck... to finding ways to shut down farms and move us rural "Kulaks" into state communes and hive apartment buildings.

Sort of sounds like a couple of countries where the people are miserable and would have risen up. Except they didn't have any %$#@ing guns.

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