How about we have a thread about the "paranormal"?

[Bullfrog08]

I know this is the internet & also the Pit to boot so sometimes it's hard to convey tone and sincerity but I'll at least give it an attempt.

First off- to address your comment, for what it's worth I agree with your statement. In some areas we've continued to make great & incredible progress in (specifically advancing computer technology). And that's great. I'll also own that I may not have conveyed my thoughts on the matter clearly enough as well. So, if you'll permit me, I'd like to try again.

Trying to succinctly wrap up my thoughts here- I believe over the past century specifically "we" made a conscious decision to put most (if not all) of our proverbial 'eggs' in one basket, and in this example IT. If we can find common ground on that point- perhaps it becomes more clear of my concerns that we did so at the expense of other industries of focus. It's my belief that we've neglected those other industries to the point where we've lost quite a bit of (hard earned) institutional knowledge in those areas.

By 'we' I'm more so referencing Westernized societies in what I'm pitching as a theory. "We" seemed to have decided that "old world" areas such as manufacturing or agriculture had somehow become 'beneath' our now 'learned & 21st century focused society' and in turn outsourced those 'lesser' industries to 2nd & 3rd worlds. The issue I'd suggest though is that approach was shortsighted in that much of our 'modern' society was still every bit as dependent on those industries continuing to exist (albeit "elsewhere") that over the decades we've "forgotten" how to do things that were common place (say steel manufacturing or mining since I'm from PA and those used to be a huge industries here in the past century). I just can't help but wonder what we may have 'gave' up in our ability to preserve as a sovereign nation with losing that capability. I also think we've legislated ourselves to the point where projects such as the Hoover Dam, Mount Rushmore, Panama Canal, just would become too costly to achieve in present day (even if we've retained the knowledge of 'how' to do it).

So put another way- yes we made some incredible gains but I feel like we gave up far more than we gained with the focus in those gains. Over the decades, I also feel like we've squandered leveraging this new technology to continue moving us "forward". To your point- we have in our pockets access to information unfathomable for millennia of the world's greatest libraries and we use it... to post cat videos and dismiss committing things to memorization because it can always be answered in a quick internet search. I'd also say, that point alone is indicative of us being on a path of further (and rapid) intellectual decline.

Starting to get back to the original intent of this particular post- I'd finish up with arguing that significant contributions to the technologies you referenced were systemically anchored in our commitment to the sciences and space exploration. Only a generation ago- we (as a nation) were able to rely on the industries we built and look to the heavens and say with a straight face that we're going to bankroll an idea/a concept of something that has never been accomplished in the history of mankind and we freakin' did it in something like 20-30 years. We reached the apex of fulfilling mankind's dreams and leveraging all that we had achieved previously and then... just as suddenly we abandoned those investments because it wasn't 'cost effective'. I can't help but wonder how much further we'd be along as a society or in technology if we kept (literally) reaching for the stars.

But in recent history, we seem to be placated with solving 80+ year old men being able to get an erection and letting the world know about it with his phone.

Think about this for just a second......

2000 years ago, a man could supposedly lay his hand on you and cure the blind, the sick, the ill, those with diesease. That person was called the Messiah. Im not claiming to know, understand, or even fully believe in all that. Today in 2025, we are doing those thing daily. I have two pin holes in my wrist that fixed carpal tunnel 2 yrs ago. All symptoms gone.

5 yrs ago, removal of my lamen on my spine to eliminate all the nerve issues within my thighs. Fixed.

10 years ago a guy used a laser to correct my vision to 20/20.

None of them were the Messiah. Our intellect and continued advancement has put us here. 2000 years ago, they would have called these doctors gods.

We can do far greater things today than any man in history could. Ask me any question, and with just a few minutes on Google, I can answer that. Ask me to write you a poem and in 5 minutes I can have ChatGPT give me a poem to send you.

Again, no point in history has man been more capable. A good amount of us here can hit 24x24 plates at 1 mile. Go back 50yrs and find as many people capable of doing that.

Ill stop derailing your thread!

 

[doubloon]

Ill stop derailing your thread!

It needs constant resuscitation to remain active.

Derailing is the best chance it has of staying alive on it's own.

 

[Maggot]

Kinda Agnostic on this subject. Seen things I can't explain, doesn't make em ghosts or whatever.

At the same time, I think its pretty arrogant to claim theres no ghosts, aliens etc.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, there are many spectrums that other animals see that we dont, and some only available with assistance. Xray for example. I've studied and been exposed to this stuff quite a bit. As one guy phrased it, Reality can be thought of as like an onion with many layers laying very close to one another yet separate. Most of the time, most of us, live in one layer. Certain life experiences can trigger bridging those layers. Dreaming is said to be one way. Traumatic experiences and hallucinogens are others. Some apparently learn to do it independently.

If you can accept that we are as much or more energy as we are material its the ghosts become understandable. We have material bodies but without the life energy we would be like rocks or a piece of metal. All living things have energy. Part of that energy is the mind, part emotions, those things that combine to form what we call the soul. The soul becomes immersed in the flesh and forgets that its energy, and more so that it must in good order transfigure into a different state. What we call death and the afterlife. Some souls hold on so tight that at death energetically part of them remains here. Thats my opinion anyway.

I think what I experienced was different, perhaps a divine thing. I was a really fucked up youngster, angry and violent, on a path for destruction. My grandmother's appearing gave me a different vision to aspire to. Was it divine, perhaps, it changed my life for the good.

Then, just like a worm can bore through the layers of an onion, perhaps thire are being in other layers that can bore into ours?

I've learned to feel that in an all but infinite and eternal creation, damn near anything is possible. God created us, hes got to have a sense of humor. He even created Maggot. Fuck, thats a scary thought.

 

[Maggot]

Think about this for just a second......

2000 years ago, a man could supposedly lay his hand on you and cure the blind, the sick, the ill, those with diesease. That person was called the Messiah. Im not claiming to know, understand, or even fully believe in all that. Today in 2025, we are doing those thing daily. I have two pin holes in my wrist that fixed carpal tunnel 2 yrs ago. All symptoms gone.

5 yrs ago, removal of my lamen on my spine to eliminate all the nerve issues within my thighs. Fixed.

10 years ago a guy used a laser to correct my vision to 20/20.

None of them were the Messiah. Our intellect and continued advancement has put us here. 2000 years ago, they would have called these doctors gods.

We can do far greater things today than any man in history could. Ask me any question, and with just a few minutes on Google, I can answer that. Ask me to write you a poem and in 5 minutes I can have ChatGPT give me a poem to send you.

Again, no point in history has man been more capable. A good amount of us here can hit 24x24 plates at 1 mile. Go back 50yrs and find as many people capable of doing that.

Ill stop derailing your thread!

"What you say is true. As the Man himself said, "The things I do and greater things will you do." That may have concerned spreading te gospel but I'm open minded. I had 20/90 vision. Two cataract surgeries later 20/15 and 2018. A new hip.

The difference is that Jesus, for lack of a better term, energetically healed them, on the spot. No ceramic socket and stainless ball. New, regenerated tissue. At least according to the texts we use. Multiplied a bunch of bread and fish. "Lazarus, come forth." Thats a different level of ???

 

[Sniff]

I once stayed wit a woman who warned me about the ghost in the attic. I poo pooed it. Woke up in the middle of the night and heard noises in the attic, like someone dragging something, I got out a Bible and read it a passage about setting the captives free and the noise stopped and I fell back asleep. The next morning the house felt like someone had run it through a washing machine..clean and fresh.

So. You heard a noise, most likely an animal, in the attic, and while you were reading a book, the noise stopped?

 

[akmike47]

Do you watch “The Why Files”?

 

[LuckyDuck]

This thread delivers....

I can't help myself- is this the thread that "won't die" or... is this thread the "undead"...?

Joking aside- and as I mentioned I'm a skeptic myself, but I'm often captivated by weird/seemingly unexplainable stories that left other deeply established skeptics raising their hands and shrugging their shoulders while looking for an explanation to a story. Where I see these type of stories often repeated is with maritime mysteries (and that oral tradition alone likely goes back a millennium if not longer)

One such story is the Ourang Medan (https://explorersweb.com/exploratio...the Ourang Medan, the,the ship's dog was dead.)

Ourang Medan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No aliens, ghosts, or whatever of similar nature- just a story that can't be explained.

-LD

 

[LuckyDuck]

Another bizarre story that I think fits in with this thread- "The Dyatlov Pass Incident" from 1959...

Dyatlov Pass incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On face value- it's a group of young Soviets that went on a hike and didn't return. Not that interesting of a story, that is until you learn about the specifics (as they say, the devil is in the details). And frankly- the details are beyond bizarre (and still are after more than 60 years).

 

[doubloon]

what are these holograms ? could they occur naturally ?

Has anyone met a Nephilim ?

One podcast covers everything.

 

[LuckyDuck]

A Search For Nazis, Aliens, Or A Hidden Civilization? Inside The Mysterious U.S. Expedition To Antarctica In 1946

Operation Highjump was an enormous U.S. military expedition to Antarctica that began in December 1946 and ultimately lasted just a few months.

allthatsinteresting.com

Here's a rather interesting one that may not be often mentioned... "Operation High Jump".

The sane side (aka the facts) is we sent the a massive armada from our Navy to Antartica in 1946 and then (seemingly abruptly) decided 'Nah- not worth the effort'.

But the theories/speculations behind it over the past 70+ years are nothing short of wild. Everything from Aliens to secret Nazi bases.

Believe what you will but (as I've maintained throughout this discussion) for me- it's the stories that I find fascinating and marrying them against the facts as a passion project. I'd like to think it beats the pants off of stamp collecting and the like but to each their own.

-LD

 

[232593]

I can keep going on

Yes you could.

Have you checked out any of the Asian urban legends? Smiling woman Tek Tek etc

 

[LuckyDuck]

Yes you could.

Have you checked out any of the Asian urban legends? Smiling woman Tek Tek etc

To answer your question first- yes!

Not trying to sound overtly racist here but, in my own opinion, nobody (and I mean nobody) has a ghost story like Asia does. Truth be told- that touches on one of the elements I find to be so interesting in the paranormal-

It spans time as we know it- it surpasses geographic location, the belief of such (as well as the scrutiny of it too) goes back a millennium without any clear answers there. But (at least as from what I've been able to research) EVERY culture on EVERY continent throughout ALL of time has discussed the paranormal.

This is essentially the 'why' as to why I started this particular thread. I'm not saying "aliens did it all" but I'm more so arguing that we've got a lot of gaps in our understanding of history. Case in point- when I was growing up and just a wee little student in grade school- Christopher Columbus "discovered" the "new world" in 1492. We now know that's preposterous (even ignoring that there were a lot of folks living here before Europe showed up) but have all of this evidence that (of all people) Vikings were here centuries earlier (albeit in Canada if I remember my history) and they were here until they essentially said "Meh, not worth the effort". Only speaking for myself (and admittedly I do have strong feelings on this particular topic) but I can't help but see parallels with the vikings coming to Canada and saying 'meh' to how we approached the space race during the 60/70's

Now- it's 2025 and I personally believe (and again just speaking for me) that this urban legends, stories of lore existed for centuries to explain certain phenomenon that science hadn't caught up with for one reasons or another.

But- and this is a big but, while we like to think we've gotten "everything" figured out by now using science, I 'm not so sure I believe/share that mindset. I think we've answered a small amount of universal questions using science but (reference another thread I started tonight) but we, as a society, only seem to agree with that statement when it aligns with the discussion. And I (personally) find that to be a bit weird.

 

[Sniff]

But- and this is a big but, while we like to think we've gotten "everything" figured out by now using science, I 'm not so sure I believe/share that mindset. I think we've answered a small amount of universal questions using science but (reference another thread I started tonight) but we, as a society, only seem to agree with that statement when it aligns with the discussion. And I (personally) find that to be a bit weird.

I don't think for a second that anyone, particularly scientists, think or claim 'Science' has figured everything out.

None of the scientists I know have ever claimed anything like that. Quite the opposite, they know they don't know anywhere near everything. That's the reason they continue to do research. To keep learning and keep figuring stuff out. That's what most of them do.

Scientists will freely admit that they don't know everything about many, many things. But that doesn't mean that if science can't explain something that there must be a paranormal explanation.

What I personally find really weird is people believing everything written, 2000-3000 years ago, then re-written, re-interpreted and translated to suit the tastes of the rulers of the time as the final, literal word of their chosen God.

 

[LuckyDuck]

I don't think for a second that anyone, particularly scientists, think or claim 'Science' has figured everything out.

None of the scientists I know have ever claimed anything like that. Quite the opposite, they know they don't know anywhere near everything. That's the reason they continue to do research. To keep learning and keep figuring stuff out. That's what most of them do.

Scientists will freely admit that they don't know everything about many, many things. But that doesn't mean that if science can't explain something that there must be a paranormal explanation.

What I personally find really weird is people believing everything written, 2000-3000 years ago, then re-written, re-interpreted and translated to suit the tastes of the rulers of the time as the final, literal word of their chosen God.

On a slightly more serious note- I really do agree with most of your post and reckon (at least on this topic) you & I are for more in agreement than argument.

I think I shared this before but if not-

That pretty much encompasses where I'm personally at. I believe that science has answered a great many of questions but also was left with an equal great many of questions that have yet to be answered.

I personally believe that history (as we know it) will continue to be rewritten as more facts/evidene comes out (and that excites me personally).

Not sure if I mentioned it in this thread previously but as an example of paradigm shifts- I often find myself questioning our understanding of ancient Egypt. By that I'm specifically referencing the great pyramids (in my wanderlust) and the differences of those structures to that of what was found in the Valley of the Kings.

I can only speak for myself but I was taught in grade school that the pyramids were elaborate burial structures for pharos- BUT- we have examples of this in the Valley of the Kings and they couldn't be more different. The burial chambers are often met with elaborate hieroglyphics , stone etchings & expensive dyes BUT we don't see that in the pyramids. I find this to be an interesting devotion from the "social norms" we'd expect.

 

[Makinchips208]

Took my dog for a walk to our main pasture and found a dead deer wrapped up in the fence in a way I couldn't figure out. Somehow got its feet wrapped up like it had flipped over the fence which seemed impossible because it was only the bottom few wires of the fence. Was missing its eyes too. Figured it must've run from up the hill where I had a trail camera so I went up and grabbed the memory card to see what happened. Found the memory card was corrupted and had files with random dates from the past and future. Couldn't open any of the files because they were unsupported file types. I'm not saying it was aliens but I'm pretty sure it was aliens.

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hey I found a yearling elk like that. It was still alive, the ground was TORE UP!
I could see the trail where a herd came through.
My best guess, this one appeared to not quite clear the top wire as it went over the fence, but what was weird was it was twisted more than once. Either aliens did it, or the elk stood back up and went over the fence again, then repeated that yet again. Yeah, had to be aliens.
I had to pop the wire free from a several posts to get the elk free. It couldn’t even stand, just laid there for a bit. After a while I pushed it and it finally got up and wobbled off.

Whats really weird is the computer files being corrupted.

 

[UNRL Ghandi]

hey I found a yearling elk like that. It was still alive, the ground was TORE UP!
I could see the trail where a herd came through.
My best guess, this one appeared to not quite clear the top wire as it went over the fence, but what was weird was it was twisted more than once. Either aliens did it, or the elk stood back up and went over the fence again, then repeated that yet again. Yeah, had to be aliens.
I had to pop the wire free from a several posts to get the elk free. It couldn’t even stand, just laid there for a bit. After a while I pushed it and it finally got up and wobbled off.

Whats really weird is the computer files being corrupted.

Haha yeah definitely aliens. I always look for the unnatural in naturally occurring things. Life is more fun that way especially since it makes my wife think I'm nuts. The deer being twisted in the fence was weird but completely explainable. The memory card in the trail cam however... well that took this event and made it in my top ten "oddities" file.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Simple question- one of which has been studied for hundreds of years and yet- no explanation that "cuts the mustard" exists yet.

We're all familiar with the Pyramids of Giza-

and of course the Great Sphinx...

But this seems (to me at least) as an example hidden in plain sight of how little we still know about our history. We were all likely taught that these were built by the ancient Egyptians (say around 4,000 years ago, which in itself is something tho ponder, the concept of history that spans not only centuries but dens of centuries).
And the established history of these structures is what is often taught/understood but there's these "oddities" that doesn't support the current narrative and it's still ignored because, well frankly we don't know what to do with the data.

Take the Sphinx, there's all sorts of weird stuff there- in my mind the chief amongst them is the erosion patterns being vertical. The direction is important because it's a clue as to what caused it and vertical serrations indicate water (i.e. placing the Sphinx in a tropical environment). With sand/desert climates- the erosion would be horizontal due to the wind blowing sand against it. But- the erosion is vertical and if we can all agree on the obvious that the erosion is vertical then that essentially means our understanding of history/humankind is far older than we originally project. Egypt/the Sahara area used to be tropical but thousands of years older than when history would suggest civilizations occurred in that area.

That's troublesome because it doesn't support the current "story". And you have a country reliant on tourism and also has the monopoly on the narrative (which is favorable to their country surprisingly). And then there's another pesky thing regarding tunnels that run underneath the Sphinx and towards the Pyramids.

To harken back to my first post here- the term "paranormal" is just topics beyond scientific explanation. No little green men or whatever disparaging remark needed. But the pyramids exist. The pyramids are old. We still have no idea 'how' they were built, we don't even have a good answer as to 'why' they were built. We're told they're burial chambers but Egypt is chock full of those in the valley of the pharaohs and those burial chambers are full of ornate hieroglyphics which are completely absent on the grandest of burial structures.

That's awfully.. weird is it not?

-LD

 

[232593]

Simple question- one of which has been studied for hundreds of years and yet- no explanation that "cuts the mustard" exists yet.

We're all familiar with the Pyramids of Giza-

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and of course the Great Sphinx...

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But this seems (to me at least) as an example hidden in plain sight of how little we still know about our history. We were all likely taught that these were built by the ancient Egyptians (say around 4,000 years ago, which in itself is something tho ponder, the concept of history that spans not only centuries but dens of centuries).
And the established history of these structures is what is often taught/understood but there's these "oddities" that doesn't support the current narrative and it's still ignored because, well frankly we don't know what to do with the data.

Take the Sphinx, there's all sorts of weird stuff there- in my mind the chief amongst them is the erosion patterns being vertical. The direction is important because it's a clue as to what caused it and vertical serrations indicate water (i.e. placing the Sphinx in a tropical environment). With sand/desert climates- the erosion would be horizontal due to the wind blowing sand against it. But- the erosion is vertical and if we can all agree on the obvious that the erosion is vertical then that essentially means our understanding of history/humankind is far older than we originally project. Egypt/the Sahara area used to be tropical but thousands of years older than when history would suggest civilizations occurred in that area.

That's troublesome because it doesn't support the current "story". And you have a country reliant on tourism and also has the monopoly on the narrative (which is favorable to their country surprisingly). And then there's another pesky thing regarding tunnels that run underneath the Sphinx and towards the Pyramids.

To harken back to my first post here- the term "paranormal" is just topics beyond scientific explanation. No little green men or whatever disparaging remark needed. But the pyramids exist. The pyramids are old. We still have no idea 'how' they were built, we don't even have a good answer as to 'why' they were built. We're told they're burial chambers but Egypt is chock full of those in the valley of the pharaohs and those burial chambers are full of ornate hieroglyphics which are completely absent on the grandest of burial structures.

That's awfully.. weird is it not?

-LD

If you really want a good rabbit hole check out Gobleki Tepli & Jimmy Corseti/bright insight.

 

[LuckyDuck]

If you really want a good rabbit hole check out Gobleki Tepli & Jimmy Corseti/bright insight.

Or the civilizations in South America (I’m presently on that kick lately). Again, absolutely massive stones thousands of years old, but precisely cut, lifted for otherwise impossible heights and transported seemingly impossible distances.

I’d need to “check my notes “ but I recall hearing/learning about the first European explorer to cross the SA continent and report back all of the advanced civilizations he came across. And it took something like another 100 years to have European countries to fund similar expeditions and they couldn’t find evidence of these civilizations and essentially called the first guy a liar.

It took another century or so to bring us to modern day research using things like LIDAR scans if the amazon and ‘surprise,surprise’ we’re once again seeing evidence of the civilizations originally reported but those areas having been reclaimed by the jungle. Present research suggests that when the 1st guy went through, he brought small pox with him and it decimated the civilizations he came in contact with. By the time round 2 of European explorers came through, they were all dead/wiped out and the jungle started to take their land back.

Absolutely wild stuff.

 

[LuckyDuck]

I really don't expect most folks here to watch the above- but the TL/DW is it's a 3 hour video of how heavy objects are moved/transported today using all that the 21st technology has to offer. If you have even a slightest interest- then skim through the video but try to catch the actual weights of whichever object and the engineering involved in moving that one particular/specific object using modern day technology.

Again I just want to talk about facts/data- not thoughts/feelings.


And if you have enough of an interest in at least skimming that video let's go back to a previous comment I made and (keeping apples to apples) how comparable or better weighted objects were moved thousands of years ago. Here's what I'm talking about-

Starting with the previously mentioned and obvious example-

Estimates seem to suggest that this one pyramid is made of something like 2.5 MILLION (that's a number, or rather a term, often thrown around which is generally accepted these days as part of the modern vernacular now but I'd argue this number/term is beyond many folks comprehension). Moving forward- and we're completely setting aside the positioning/mathmatical/engineering elements, they moved these 2+ million blocks each weighing somewhere between something like 2-8 tons (4K-16K+ lbs), using something like 4 thousand year old technology (back when we were in the supposed "Bronze Age" and recently crawling out of caves just a short time prior) in exact mathematical precision AND moving these blocks of limestone... something like 1K kilometers...


I know most here are Americans and the metric system is for the French (trying to keep this post clean) but 1,000 kilometers (for us Americans equates to over 600 miles) Please allow me to provide an infographic that many of us Americans and comprehend on what that distance represents...

Again- I'm just trying to "restate" the rhetoric most of us were taught... all of the stones in the Pyramid(s) had to have been moved approximately 600 miles (represented as the radius in the above image). No "trickery" here- just a 600 mile radius being illustrated in the Central US for visualization purposes is all... Now keep in mind- not only did these stones (weighing in excess of 2-8 tons since they weren't yet "processed" move these 600+ miles & talking in "simple Simon" terminology did so at least 2.5 MILLION times for each block (which likely had to still be 'processed/measured/shaped') "they" as in the Ancient Egyptians were able to do this over 4,000 years ago using...

Rolling sledges...

Ramps & Slavery(?) Don't forget ropes made of natural materials like hemp...
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Again- take a step back and think objectively- does this narrative make any sense once you put things in relative compression to the distance traveled and the equipment we're told existed at the time and was overcome by nothing more than a Pharoh's will, a crap ton of slaves, some rolling logs, ramps and hemp rope? Surely this doesn't sound logical to an audience who were likely attracted to this forum because of trying to better understand ballasitics/ (in other terms) mathematics on how a 200gr bullet movie at however many thousand fps will behave depending on on elevation, geographic location, atmosphic conditions, etc etc but still accept sheer muscle, hemp ropes and determination were able to make shit happen with EXACTING mathematical precision. For fuck's sake- would any of us trust measurement devices made in prisons.... can you see it now- the SKILLCRAFT Gyroscope and SKILLCRAFT Bombsight proudly brought to you & your countrymen from blind employees?

Wrapping up my rant- we're conditioned not to question what we're taught in school. I'd argue that's both (a) a shame and (b) at least recently, by design. But the "logic" doesn't "logic" in this one example. If anything- the narrative is controlled by a country/nation dependent on the narrative that they "own" these structures and are dependent on the money tourism dollars brings in to see it. I doubt many here will argue with that statement either. But most of us understand the concept of "conflict of interest" and "independent verification" which we don't have in Egyptology (to be fair- they're likely playing 'catchup' to being raided by the British however many hears ago).


But we're supposedly "smarter" than our ancestors and we're surely smarter than our grandparents that got roped into political ideologies. We're living in the 21st century and have countless examples of our own government blatantly lying to us, covering up terrible indiscretions that were made under the blanket of "god & country" but are now to believe that that's a uniquely "blip" in only American political history and never in existence in other nations (to include Egypt).

I'm on a rant- or is it a quack(?) but I'll step off of my soapbox here- here's the TL/DR that I'm sure at least a few people are looking for...

The rhetoric often being taught in our history doesn't "math" or make sense to an independent thinker, I (personally at least) believe that there's financial incentives in controlling the rhetoric, and the long & short of my thoughts when it comes to the paranormal and this topic (again remembering my original post explaining that the "paranormal" is nothing more than topics beyond current scientific explanation and I think this qualifies).

As for the "so what"- while I "want to believe" as Mulder often said- my theory is a bit more 'boring' than extraterrestrial intervention creating some sort of phenomenon denoting advanced technology.

My theory is the history of humans is much older than we presently accept/ is portrayed as being absolute fact. In just my own life I remember being taught that Columbus "discovered" America only to find out that the evidence supports the vikings beat him by over 100 years.

I also believe that technology was far more advanced thousands of years ago than we've traditionally been taught. It's not a wild conspiracy/paranoid opinion either- it's just looking at standing examples from thousands of years ago of structures that existed in the BC era and are still standing today (again using only 'bronze" tools).

These structures are all clues to "our" past. These have stood for thousands of years but we still would struggle in modern day to construct similar methods using modern technology but these exist in all inhabited continents that we know of? And why/how is it that pyramids keep being repeated in different continents, how is it obelisks are also mirrored across the continents in almost perfect fashion?

I could keep going on but it's general accepted that the continents were once connected- I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed as they say (I'm sure many here feel the same way) but the simplest explanation I can personally come up with is humankind was advanced/organized/civilized thousands of years earlier than our present belief and dating back to at least when the continents were still connected. I also think I have a valid theory that it seems common practice of the "ancients" was to 'strike from the record' any history before their rule to either (a) spite their enemies form their 'glories' and (b) to lay claim to the successes of previous generations as their own....

Again- long story short- I think we're missing complete chapters that spans thousands of years in mankind's history. That's my best theory and I'm sticking to it.

-LD

 

[doubloon]

but the TL/DR

FIFY

 

[LuckyDuck]

With the encouragement of @232593 in a different thread, here's the latest & greatest of a local thing that fits in the category...

As a quick backstory, there's a "tour" going on with "the" Annabelle doll of Warren & Conjuring Fame and it arrived in PA recently. And some "calamity" has seemed to follow it. The latest of which is one of the fellas handling the dolls died suddenly at the age of 54 while he was here in Gettysburg, PA...

'Annabelle' Handler Dan Rivera Dies While On Tour With Allegedly Haunted Doll

“The doll is something to be respected, not revered.”

www.today.com

Shortly prior to that though- PA also experienced a complete failure of the 911 system across the commonwealth coinciding on when the doll arrived...

Pennsylvania experiencing statewide 911 outage

Individuals experiencing issues contacting 911 are asked to contact their local 911 center on their non-emergency lines.

www.wgal.com

So yes- the devout believers of the Warrens, demonic possessions, fans of the Annabelle movies from the Conjuring universe are having quite a field day with these events following the doll and it's getting a decent amount of media coverage on the local channels being local to the Gettysburg area.

I'll leave what my personal beliefs on the matter are out of this post but I will say that it has been an interesting sequence of events with this tour since they arrived in PA.

-LD

 

[Sniff]

Haunted or possessed dolls?

What load of shit. Grow up.

 

[Milf Dots]

I have an ex that is possessed. I'm lucky to have survived.

 

[Milf Dots]

Dems are either aliens, demons, or both.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Haunted or possessed dolls?

What load of shit. Grow up.

I'm only sharing a recent & local occurrence that many here would at least have awareness of to some degree.

The "story" of the Annabelle doll though (ignoring the movies) is interesting though & as I mentioned an interesting chapter in the Warren story. Now do I believe the doll is a manifestation of demonic entities...? Honestly, probably not. That said- I do think there is an unexplained connection to superstitions and something that happens when someone puts that type of faith or belief in such things.

For me, as of now, the 911 thing... a coincidence entirely. The sudden death of the "handler"... well that's at least of interest but there's still a lot of unanswered questions behind that before I can form any worthwhile opinion. Now if we keep seeing these "odd" occurrences that accompany the tour.. well then we'd at least have something new to talk about.

That all said- one element well in the "paranormal" world is the idea of "cursed" objects. Now Annabelle is said to be 'possessed by a demon' and not necessarily 'cursed' but I can see there potentially being parallels that could be made between the two concepts.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Dems are either aliens, demons, or both.

I love talking about the concept of extraterrestrial life, ghosts, and demons. That said- I think the "dems" at least the liberal mentality is more likely better explained to concepts of 'mind control' than the previously mentioned subjects. And being fair- maybe it'd be just as fair to attribute alternative mindsets to the same mind control concept.

That in itself might not be entirely paranormal though- there's likely a psychological explanation with how humans are "wired" and I'd imagine that evidence exists in the business of marketing/advertising. After all how could something like a "pet rock" generate the sales that it did at the time were in not for some elements of those two powers being at play?

On the topic of pet rocks- there's likely an endless number of fads that can be attributed to these concepts such as pogs, fashion trends, yo-yo's, etc that provide evidence of these influences being tangible 'things'.

It's only been about 3 or so years by now but I had a surreal moment talking to two different folks that are very left leaning. One of which lived in Philadelphia and the other lived in DC and they each went on their usual side quips of how the US was a political failure but what struck me as odd was they both used the exact same terminology about "rugged individualism being a toxic trait" for whatever ailment they were harping on. And the terms were so specific and so unique I started questioning/looking into to things. Honest to goodness, I thought the Dems sent out regular emails to their voters or they watched the same talk or news shows because it was frankly creepy how they both repeated the exact same phrase/expression during that time period (and were equally both pissed off for said reason).

Appreciate the opportunity to sidebar there- but yeah- probably not necessarily paranormal but more so conspiracy theory based (but hey maybe those two concepts are connected as well)

 

[Holliday]

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didn't exist."

 

[Pharmseller]

Some of you fellas have A LOT of free time.



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[LuckyDuck]

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didn't exist."

Classic quote... and a lot of wisdom in that.

"Funny" story about the Devil... I had watched most of a documentary on the topic this week that was rather interesting but I can't seem to find the same video again to finish it. The gist of the video though was how there was an evolution between the story of Lucifer & ultimately Satan and the concept we presently have of it and how it incorporated various Pagan deities over a few centuries and incorporated them into modern Christianity and present day concepts of heaven/hell and the Devil/Satan representing evil and the narrative of there being a "good vs evil" battle ongoing that was slowly introduced over centuries.

Either way- not advocating for or against that viewpoint, just saying the video was rather fascinating to me is all.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Some of you fellas have A LOT of free time.



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Just in general or is that geared towards something more specific? There's some absolutely "wild" things/realities that exist in the "paranormal" world (again not trying to come across as the stereotypical weirdo because at the end of the day it's just things that science has yet to explain). And in reality- that's how science seems to work- we all believe something until someone says otherwise and then they have to prove we're wrong "over and over and over" again before we start wising up and saying "hey- maybe after the 100th time of being proven wrong this fella might be onto something"

Just fascinating stuff and most of which are topics that in one shape or another have been discussed for millennia (and often by some really smart people too through history). It's just human nature I'd argue- we WANT to explain what isn't explained. We by nature want to establish order in the world we're living in and we like to think we have everything 'figured out'.

But this whole discussion, at least for those of similar mindsets, is really a discussion of the collective 'us' not knowing what we don't know and understanding that we don't have those answers. It's a discussion of what could be possible and challenges what we "know" to be "true".

Long story short- I'm biased but the discussion of the paranormal is how we as a society/culture continue to grow. I'll reuse an image I shared here earlier of a very profound moment of worlds colliding and an exponential shift in our (human) understanding of the world...

To break this analogy down "Barney style" consider us as a society being the fella on the horseback who's entire life up until that point probably has followed a paradigm existing for centuries of "how things are" and a major shift is occurring. Put in modern standards we could just as easily be standing next to actual time machines or spacecraft capable of intergalactic travel...