How do people have full auto weapons?

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Thanks, I knew it wasn't what we called it... Texas trigger. We called it a Texas trigger because of how Texas defines semi-auto vs. Full auto... One round shot per function of the trigger... Pulling it is a function releasing it as a function.
 

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Can't tell if serious...
(laughing) NOPE! Entertainment value only. Seriously, the Battlefield Las Vegas idea is probably the winner here, or maybe OFASTS, or that other full auto shoot, name escapes me atm. $1 a bullet to shoot a machinegun. Probably Opie's best bet.
 
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If you want to have a full auto just for the novelty of having a full auto, go for it. The process of buying a transferrable full auto is the same as buying a suppressor. If your budget is less than $10,000 get a Mac 11. Then get the M11/9 tricked out with Lage Manufacturing uppers and 22 conversion, this gets you an SMG that performs like an UZI. Individuals usually list their full autos on sturmgewehr dot com NFA market board.
 
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The NFA/FULL Auto world is a very expensive hobby, You could get Colt M16 for up $23k. Some Thompson full auto costs less though.
Its a very tedious process to own one but the wait period is getting faster.
 

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I bought mine as bucket list items. I rarely fire them anymore but still like that I have them. They have certainly been an investment and gone up in value quite a bit over the years.
 

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Apply for a Class 7 FFL ($150).

Apply for your SOT after you get your FFL ($500).

Build whatever you want....
I thought a SOT was more like $2K/year. Maybe I'm off on my numbers. Weaponsguild has a lot of info on the subject though and that'd probably be the first place I'd look especially after just getting a SOT.

(laughing) NOPE! Entertainment value only. Seriously, the Battlefield Las Vegas idea is probably the winner here, or maybe OFASTS, or that other full auto shoot, name escapes me atm. $1 a bullet to shoot a machinegun. Probably Opie's best bet.
You're probably thinking of Knob Creek.
 
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I thought a SOT was more like $2K/year. Maybe I'm off on my numbers. Weaponsguild has a lot of info on the subject though and that'd probably be the first place I'd look especially after just getting a SOT.



You're probably thinking of Knob Creek.
Let’s just be clear you can’t just get an FFL and become an SOT. You have to show actual intention to operate a business to the ATF.
 
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I've shot several fa and 45 was the most fun.

I think of them like a high maintenance woman.

Fun to play with but too expensive to keep around.
 

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Let’s just be clear you can’t just get an FFL and become an SOT. You have to show actual intention to operate a business to the ATF.
I'd be curious what you could get away with there. People make money with YouTube Videos. As a hobby machinist I would also think it potentially valuable if you were trying to develop semi auto conversions of formerly full auto weapons (the ATF will not send you back an "easily converted" full auto but will destroy it if you send it in for a ruling.) I believe SOTs are site bound but if not I would also be curious about weapons and their utility in movie shoots.
 

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Shot full auto about 1/2 dozen times. My old gun club had a class 3 dealer who used to show up with a bunch of full auto guns every couple of months. Very nice guy and would generally let you put a mag down range if you were a regular/he knew you.

If you could pick one up for $1500 might be fun to have, but not something I'd be willing to pay $25,000 for. As others have said you can burn through $100 of ammo in a few minutes, you're much more likely to get jams and any semblance of precision shooting disappears after the first 5-6 rounds.

That being said, I'm old enough to remember when you could pick up a full auto Uzi for $4-5,000 and that I thought about doing so. Probably should have gone for it, as I could have shot the cr*p out of it and covered the cost of ammo when I went to sell it.
 

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I used to own a registered, select fire M-16. I rarely shot it on full auto. 95% of it's use on full auto was when someone would learn that I owned it, and they would want to shoot it. I would tell them to buy some factory ball ammo, and bring it to the range. Most would show up with 2-3 boxes of 20 rounds each that would be gone in no time. Then they would hope to bum some ammo from me. I learned early on to NOT bring any extra ammo. During the years I owned it, I can only recall 4-5 times (out of dozens of times I let people shoot it) that anyone sent me home with extra ammo and a thank you. I eventually sold it, and frankly I don't really miss it.

I'm more into precise rifle fire, and agree with Jeff Cooper's assessment of full auto fire. Cooper essentially said that he wants the other guy to have full auto fire because they will usually spray and pray, and miss. While anyone who is serious about killing the other guy will use precisely placed rounds...not full auto. Cooper believed that full auto was best saved for squad and company level weapons, not for individual shooters.

But I gotta admit, it is fun to rattle off a magazine every so often. With some of the new triggers and some practice, a decent rifleman can unload an AIMED 30 rounds of 5.56 ammo in less than 15 seconds. That is only 2 rounds a second, and it is still an astounding amount of firepower.
 
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I'm surprised by the amount of "full auto is stupid" posts in here, I wasn't aware that the hide had such a following from the gay community. I'm proud of you guys, it must really takes balls to be open like that with an audience that's mostly testosterone fueled pussy pounding men.
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I'm surprised by the amount of "full auto is stupid" posts in here, I wasn't aware that the hide had such a following from the gay community. I'm proud of you guys, it must really takes balls to be open like that with an audience that's mostly testosterone fueled pussy pounding men.
I would giggle like a little girl the whole time but I also realize full auto has its place especially when I am paying the ammo bill.

Now then if it did not require papers (and in turn cost) like it does I would certainly have a squad weapon like an mg42, 249 or mag58. If you are going that route go all the way and forget goofy mag fed rifles many of which are really too light for sustained full auto.

If I were building I would also make a few smgs. why not they are dirt the hell simple.
 

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If you already own an ar, the cheapest bet would be to buy a registered lighting link. They came out in the 80’s. Or become an ffl that can sell class 3 firearms and buy a dealers sample for a 1/3 of the cost. Only problem is if you close shop the class 3 can only be sold to another class 3 dealer or demilled.
 

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Every serious car enthusiast should own a Viper, every SERIOUS gun collector should own a MG.
Now is not a good time for entry into this "club" since everything has shot through the roof price wise.
Timing is everything. Talk to others that own them and get the backside. They require a gunsmith on speed-dial if
you shoot them regularly and spare parts readily on hand. I'd suggest a subsonic/suppressed host since someone ALWAYS calls the sheriff on us here at the farm when we uncork the 556. Helps to have a "club member" live near a military base as the noise just blends right in with the boys playing Cowboys and Indians.
We worked it out, it costs us about a $100 bill every time we shoot, per weapon. And YES, it's probably the most fun you CAN have with your clothes on.
We think so. And we shoot once a month. As someone said earlier- BELT FED!
 
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Every serious car enthusiast should own a Viper, every SERIOUS gun collector should own a MG.
Now is not a good time for entry into this "club" since everything has shot through the roof price wise.
Timing is everything. Talk to others that own them and get the backside. They require a gunsmith on speed-dial if
you shoot them regularly and spare parts readily on hand. I'd suggest a subsonic/suppressed host since someone ALWAYS calls the sheriff on us here at the farm when we uncork the 556. Helps to have a "club member" live near a military base as the noise just blends right in with the boys playing Cowboys and Indians.
We worked it out, it costs us about a $100 bill every time we shoot, per weapon. And YES, it's probably the most fun you CAN have with your clothes on.
We think so. And we shoot once a month.
It's interesting hearing people talk about them. As an example with an MG42 people who have them basically consider the recuperator, the bolt and the booster consumable parts.

If I had the choice I'd much rather work on a machine gun in its original FA form (hell its original open bolt form would even be awesome) rather than the semi auto conversions done to most stuff. The semi auto versions are way more complex typically and the only benefit is keeping the ATF off your ass. The best machine guns tend to be dirt simple mechanically which reduces breaking provided the parts are heavy enough built. (that weight vs firepower dichotomy is a bitch in a lot of cases.)
 

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If it's just "go have fun", buy a ticket to Las Vegas and get a decent hotel room. Go to anyone of a dozen ranges with FA stuff to rent and go nuts. You can even do a dune buggy + M240B adventure and shoot shit up out in the desert at full speed. Or go do one of the "Operator AF" shoothouses.
Afterwards have a couple few drinks, a nice dinner and a happy ending to cure that raging hardon.
You could do that trip once a year for the next 50 and it will be cheaper than owning a belt-fed and the ammo it will burn.
Bonus: you don't have to clean anything when you're done.. At the range or otherwise.
I know of a night vision, dune buggy, desert machine gun shooting place about an hour away from Las Vegas...

Paging @TheGerman ......
 

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I know of a night vision, dune buggy, desert machine gun shooting place about an hour away from Las Vegas...

Paging @TheGerman ......
Be on the lookout. I haven'y posted much about anything yet as the whole corona bullshit basically had us push the go live until early 2021. In the meantime, I was like, let's do a NV machine gun range too and started accumulating weapons.

Vegas is ok, but for MG stuff its basically sit through a safety brief and then stand at a pistol range where some guy comes and sets the gun infront of you and then sits ontop of you while you shoot it at some paper target at 50 yards. Fuck all that.

How about outside, 100s of yards, 2x steel ranges with the option to do it at night with nightvision and cosmic bowling with machineguns?

What we're almost done with - does not even remotely exist anywhere else on the planet.
 

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A good friend of mine has two mac9’s and he seems to really enjoy them. If they weren’t so expensive I’d love one, maybe some day a rdias or a m16 Lower if I ever get that kind of fun money.
 

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I'm not sure how many people have said "full auto is stupid." Most, like me, are saying full auto has limited applications where it really is a discriminator at the "man on the street" level.

Military? certainly. Fun to shoot? Without a doubt.

Needed for the zombie apocalypse? Not.

I'm surprised by the amount of "full auto is stupid" posts in here, I wasn't aware that the hide had such a following from the gay community. I'm proud of you guys, it must really takes balls to be open like that with an audience that's mostly testosterone fueled pussy pounding men.