How the left is pushing us toward civil war, and how this has worked in the past.

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Very interesting article about how the left is pushing us toward civil war, and how this has worked in the past.

Government sponsorship of violence against opponents or complacency in the face of incitement to violence is a powerful tool of political repression. Regimes such as Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Nicaragua, China, and other tyrannies have used such tactics to great effect. When mobs attack anti-government demonstrators, for example, the police either disappear or stand by watching. In American cities run by Democrats and on the U.S. college and university campuses, the authorities increasingly have been standing by as radicals do the dirty work of beating up or silencing conservatives.
In societies riven by mutual hate, the people who control the police and public communications make all the difference. When they maintain impartiality, as did Germany’s Weimar government while the Nazis and Communists struggled for primacy, partisan warfare tends to be resolved politically—though the results are harsh. When societal hatred or the partiality of authorities results in deaths, long-smoldering cold civil war can blaze into holocaust.

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We Americans are now facing the danger of a civil war thus ignited. We do not think of civil war this way because our Civil War from 1861 to 1865 was less a conflict within society than it was a highly organized war between states. That war notwithstanding, personal friendships and mutual esteem persisted on both sides, such as that between Ulysses S. Grant and prominent Confederate General James Longstreet.
What we face now is worse.

What’s Typical in Civil Wars?
Classic civil wars, from Thucydides’ account of the Corcyrean revolution of 431 B.C. to the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939, tend to be far more bitterly murderous than anything that has yet happened in America. These wars ignite when public power abets—or is perceived as having abetted—violence in longstanding social struggles, when authorities treat opponents as outside the protection of the laws, or when they criminalize political differences outright.

The authorities also bear most of the responsibility for piling up and drying the partisan fuel that they then ignite. Thucydides tells us that the Corcyrean parties’ adherence to the Peloponnesian War’s opposing sides simply sharpened their long simmering conflict. It mattered little which of the two first refused to accept losing a vote in the city assembly and accused the winners of improprieties. Reciprocally, they heated their cold civil war until one side shed blood. The spiral of violence then accelerated, and the city essentially depopulated itself.
In 1920s Spain, the newly formed Communist Party, the socialists, anarchists, and various regional separatists spurred each other’s hostility toward the country’s Catholic, royalist population. Where the Left won local elections in May 1931, mobs of its supporters ravaged churches, raped nuns, and beat conservatives with impunity. As leftist violence spread to the rest of the country after the June national elections, conservative localities retaliated, and the army began to plot against the republic.
The Spanish government turned conservative in 1934. That led to the “popular front” alliance, consisting primarily of radicals, which narrowly won the 1936 elections. In the aftermath, a militant leftist squad leader was killed. As the police searched for the killer, one of their entourage murdered the country’s leading conservative politician, Jose Calvo Sotelo. The army struck back. The atrocities committed by ordinary people on ordinary people dwarfed the armies’ horrors. “Viva la muerte,” long live death, is the ensuing war’s most memorable saying.

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Suborning Violence
It all starts with getting people accustomed to hating each other. And that starts at the top.
Saying hateful things about one’s opponents is a time-tested way of stoking supporters’ enthusiasm, of building support for one’s own side. But when blood is spilled, someone, then everyone else, tends to use it as a pretext for inciting more violence. That’s the meaning of blood-feud.
The story of the contemporary American Left’s sponsorship of hate and violence begins around 1964, when the Democratic Party chose to abandon the Southern constituencies that had been its mainstay since the time of Jefferson and Jackson. In less than a decade, the party found itself increasingly dependent on gaining super-majorities among blacks, upscale liberals, and constituencies of resentment in general—and hence on stoking their hate.
For the past half century, America’s political history has been driven by the Democratic Party’s effort to fire up these constituencies by denigrating the rest of America. As elements of cynical calculation melded into self-images of righteous entitlement to rule inferiors, the boundaries between the party and the constituencies’ most radical parts have eroded.
In the 21st century’s second decade, explicit statements by the party’s principal figures—President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, to name only a few—have led their epigones in power as well as millions of followers to think and act as if conservatives were simply on a lower level of humanity, and should have their faces rubbed in their own inferiority. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo simply declared that pro-lifers and other conservatives have no place in his state.
As the media amplified and cheered such guidance from on high, it would be surprising if many ordinary followers have not concluded that harassing if not harming conservatives in restaurants, airports, as well as in their public functions is not just permissible but praiseworthy, and if thousands of persons who exercise power over cities, towns and schools have not concluded that facilitating such harassment and harm is their duty.
Police in leftist jurisdictions have stood aside as violent groups disrupted the 2016 Republican presidential campaign and the 2017 presidential inauguration in Washington, D.C., as racial mobs have ravaged malls and shut down major roads, as conservatives have been attacked physically as they tried to speak or merely observed. The media have basically justified the violence. The other side has done nothing comparable—yet.
But since the ruling class’s condemnations of conservatives as racists, environmental criminals, and would-be terrorists are becoming well-nigh universal, the probability of deadly attacks on conservatives, of intolerable convictions or absolutions, and assassinations, rises to certainty. So does corresponding demand for protection and revenge.
It would be surprising were political words from on high not to be among the factors that trigger mentally ill persons to act out their fantasies. Although the number of mass shootings in America has declined in recent decades, the role of politics in the killers’ derangement seems to have increased. In the closest call yet, a few months after the 2017 inaugural, a Democratic Party activist who had supported Bernie Sanders and regularly posted violent rants against President Trump on social media opened fire on Republican congressmen practicing for a baseball game, nearly killing Representative Steve Scalise (R-La.). The ruling class rushed to exonerate itself.
The ruling class’s provocative bias has been on display subsequent to the most recent outrages by mental cases—22 killed in El Paso, Texas, and nine in Dayton, Ohio—the first by someone who mixed anti-immigration rantings with radical environmentalism, the second by a purebred leftist. The bodies were still warm as Democratic presidential candidates vied to indict President Trump, his supporters and, yes, white men in general, for membership in (nonexistent) murderous white supremacist organizations. The fact that many of the denouncers are white men only underlined their short-term political calculations. The congressman representing El Paso and its sheriff told President Trump to stay out of their city. Dayton’s mayor said the same thing. Who can enforce dicta of that sort?
What should happen, what can happen, when the real, existing violent organizations of the Left—Antifa and the several radical black organizations—try to exclude or to punish? Several cities—Portland, Oregon and Charlottesville, Virginia among them—have had their streets taken over. What happens when these organizations organize mobs to harass their least favorite people? What happens when some of them wind up dead?
At a certain point, the other side shoots back. Here as elsewhere, the several police forces may be expected to split and take opposite sides. Then the army’s special forces become the arbiters, and the war rages.
We know that our ruling class having largely made government into a partisan thing, America has crossed the threshold of revolution. While we have no way of knowing what lies ahead, we know that the spiral of political violence has already taken its first fateful turns, and that the logic of our partisan ruling class is pushing for more.
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  • International wars are often waged to solve border disputes, trading rights, martime and overland passages, or retaliate against invasions, etc...

    Civil wars on the other hand, are the result of people wanting to resolve long standing grudges and blood hatreds, hence why they have been historically so vicious and barbaric beyond imagination. The American Civil War was an exception. It had been far more civil than most historical internal conflicts. During the exact time as the American Civil War, China had been devastated by one of the most appalling and brutal peasant rebellions in history. The Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, a fanatical group of religious extremists led by a man named Hong Xiuquan who claimed himself the brother of Jesus Christ and the final Abrahamic prophet had tried to overthrow the Manchu-Mongol-Northern Han elite of the Qing Dynasty and establish their own "Heaven on Earth". Fourteen years of wholesale slaughter perpetrated by both sides devolved into plain ethnic hostility between the rich urbanites and businessmen of the Shanghai-Hangzhou-Nanjing tri-city region and the poor farmers which made up the ranks of the Taiping rebels. 20 million people were killed and the entire Taiping movement and their supporters were subsequently put to the sword by the Qing and their hired guns from all over the country.
     

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    The Civil War was not a war until the Union forces responded militarily to the shelling of Fort Sumter. The Union's response at the First Battle of Bull Run was ill considered and anemic. It's failure gave the aggressors the belief that victory overall could follow the initial small victory, which was also so anemic as to be despicable for all involved. A massive, considered, and decisive response by Union Forces might have crushed Confederate spirit, ending resistance quickly.

    Retrospect is pointless, the War bore on for years, killing nearly 2/3 of a million Americans.

    The above speculation is without merit because the will to cease and desist was not, would not, be ascendant. But the lesson to be learned has been taught in American Military Academies ever since. The time invested in preparing for Desert Storm is proof positive that the lesson has become doctrine.

    Consider a Civil War at one's own peril, and the peril of your family, friends, and neighbors.

    The doctrine dictates that such peril is a certainty. The Left provokes a response from the Conservatives in the hope that such a response would direct the doctrine's employment against them; accomplishing the application of force of which they themselves are incapable (let's you and them fight...).

    So go ahead, start that Civil War. Become the enemy, domestic. Guarantee the demise of everything, and everyone, you hold dear.

    Let them fight, as the professor said in Godzilla. Let them fight.

    Greg

    PS Exception has been taken below to the accuracy of this post. I can live with differences of opinion, but where differences exist on a public forum, I believe I am entitled to some facts in refutation, and not just a passing dismissal with prejudice.

    Further, dismissal of this post would appear to be an endorsement to go ahead and start a new American Civil War. I hope that's not implied, because that would be just plain stupid. IMHO
     
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    TLDR. But, there's a World of difference between the OG Civil War and today's polarization. Yes, the Left is trying to promote racism as it's driving force but, unlike 1860, it doesn't exist in a way they would like it too. The 'South' hasn't threatened to secede nor is there an entire population held in slavery.
     

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    The Civil War was not a war until the Union forces responded militarily to the shelling of Fort Sumter. The Union's response at the First Battle of Bull Run was ill considered and anemic. It's failure gave the aggressors the belief that victory overall could follow the initial small victory, which was also so anemic as to be despicable for all involved. A massive, considered, and decisive response by Union Forces might have crushed Confederate spirit, ending resistance quickly.

    Retrospect is pointless, the War bore on for years, killing nearly 2/3 of a million Americans.

    The above speculation is without merit because the will to cease and desist was not, would not, be ascendant. But the lesson to be learned has been taught in American Military Academies ever since. The time invested in preparing for Desert Storm is proof positive that the lesson has become doctrine.

    Consider a Civil War at one's own peril, and the peril of your family, friends, and neighbors.

    The doctrine dictates that such peril is a certainty. The Left provokes a response from the Conservatives in the hope that such a response would direct the doctrine's employment against them; accomplishing the application of force of which they themselves are incapable (let's you and them fight...).

    So go ahead, start that Civil War. Become the enemy, domestic. Guarantee the demise of everything, and everyone, you hold dear.

    Let them fight, as the professor said in Godzilla. Let them fight.

    Greg

    Sorry, your ramblings are not grounded in the reality of what 99% of civil wars actually are. The Spanish Civil War of the 1930s is the one you need to study to see what's going on here today. What happened nearly 160 years ago here is irrelevant.

    BTW, I did graduate from one of our military academies and what you claim they teach is not.
     

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    Sorry, your ramblings are not grounded in the reality of what 99% of civil wars actually are. The Spanish Civil War of the 1930s is the one you need to study to see what's going on here today. What happened nearly 160 years ago here is irrelevant.

    BTW, I did graduate from one of our military academies and what you claim they teach is not.

    Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

    I had believed that doctrine was to respond with overwhelming force. I had also understood that all history is relevant.

    My bad.

    If these concepts are not what's taught in the academies, how does it differ, and why?

    Inquiring minds, etc....

    If you're going to refute someone's points; refute them, don't just blow them off as totally wrong and irrelevant. At this point all you're doing is bloviating.

    Start by defining what you mean, in detail, by your first sentence. We are not all so thoroughly grounded in military history as you imply, and I, probably among many here, am/are not prepared to just accept your cavalier dismissal as gospel.

    Some dithery dumbness appeared in this space earlier. I walked it back because I'm not actually interested in a flame war.

    So folks disagree with me. Nothing new. Been there, done that, I'm still here. We all are, and we don't benefit by thinning our herd.

    I'd still like to know more about how I'm wrong on the above post. I could use the education.

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    There are a million of these articles...even Bracken has written about it if I am not mistaken.

    Fact is no one will really know until it happens. My question is how fast will it spread when it gets going? I sincerely doubt that it will be split North to South...Maybe East and West...Flyover versus coast...Can't really see any of this. Another topic not often discussed is the fallout elsewhere in the world. There is no doubting it. If SHTF here, it will be worse elsewhere.

    The cities or anything resembling large metro centers will be f'd. The infrastructure is too easy to take out with pretty rudimentary armaments.

    I have plenty of Jiffy Pop and ready to watch the mess unravel....Many cucks and sheep will get slaughtered....remember Sarajevo?

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    I do not believe there will be any winners if/when the current Civil War (we are already in it!) goes hot and folks start The Purge of any/all that idealistically don't agree with them. As other have pointed out, there is no North and South. The guy I do not agree with and am afraid is gonna ruin this country lives right next door...or is a Nephew. Or a Brother.

    I have a diverse family and we have all types. I live in a culturally diverse and ethnically diverse neighborhood and the hard core fascist lives right next door to the uber progressive liberal in this neighborhood. The kids all play together...we all eat together and share help/resources when it's literally -30 F and we got 15" of snow last night...I'm out there clearing the sidewalks and alley with Mexicans, poor white trash, Millennials, Blacks, Jews, common laborers and guys who have more money than God.

    There won't be any winners when it goes hot. The enemy lives right next door and I generally like him except for his politics.

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    There are a million of these articles...even Bracken has written about it if I am not mistaken.

    Fact is no one will really know until it happens. My question is how fast will it spread when it gets going? I sincerely doubt that it will be split North to South...Maybe East and West...Flyover versus coast...Can't really see any of this. Another topic not often discussed is the fallout elsewhere in the world. There is no doubting it. If SHTF here, it will be worse elsewhere.

    The cities or anything resembling large metro centers will be f'd. The infrastructure is too easy to take out with pretty rudimentary armaments.

    I have plenty of Jiffy Pop and ready to watch the mess unravel....Many cucks and sheep will get slaughtered....remember Sarajevo?

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    I would think it would be the left against the right regardless of where you live. I guess each State would fight among themselves first since you have Democratic and Republican counties in each State before you would start to travel to other States to join forces with others .
     

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    The articles fail in several venues.

    They dont look at precursor incidents, how they were handled, who was affected most, and what the recovery effort fixed or f'd up.

    Precursor incidents that paint pictures are the previous riots since 65-66.

    Violence broke out. Destruction happened, people died and were injured. Infrastructure saved lives and property, because the rest of the country rallied and produced just like they have in natural disasters.

    Both citizen response and strong .gov response brought the events under control.

    .gov and oga repaired the damages, although a productive segment of society moved out, leaving a lesser quality of life for those forced to remain. The anger festered because nothing got better for the rioters.

    Each event has gotten more violent. The infrastructure gets more challenged to meet the need, and stronger citizen and .gov responses are needed and to date, have occured. The cycle repeats.

    In the cycle, now, the US is very close to the level of flux-cause and effect that led to the 1930's Spanish civil war.

    Everything is in place to have a similar response. If antifa types, less desirable types, etc, start it and hurt enough people, .gov has no option but put them down, and people like those talking on this board will take advantage of "opportunity in chaos", as has been seen in Central America, where death squads removed opposition with .gov approval.

    The infrastructure failure, hospitals, food supply, power, water, and transportation break downs will lead to high casualty rates in the non .gov supported insurgents, as seen in Syria. There will be migration out just like Syrians to Europe. Those migrations out may be coming to our neighborhoods, and dealing with the migrants is best described in the book. "One Second After" by Fortchen.

    Those migrants who go somewhere and arm themselves will begin to forage outside, in our neighborhoods. The Spanish Civil war is the best indicator of what can happen as long as .gov maintains control long enough for those who still believe in "God, Country, and the American way" to get mobilized....

    How many here are prepared for that "mobilization" and working with .gov...

    Our millennial generation has been brainwashed by the education system to become helpless is such situations.

    That is a wrinkle the Spanish Civil war didnt have, and no one can foresee just what the millennial migration will bring... leadership will make a difference.

    Ymmv, and your opinion may vary based on your life experiences.

    Will be interesting for sure. The cities are f'd, just like the riot zones were f'd during the riots. Worse, bc the infrastructure is not prepared to respond to that level of chaos.

    Best to you non flyover Americans. Flee now b4 it comes to your neighborhood.

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    What is coming in no way will resemble the 1860 uncivil war. That was organized statehood actors against each other supported by industrial activity within actor states and outside foreign governments supporting it.

    Normal people vs antifites with .gov able to pounce is another animal.
    And with that said, what may be seen resembling the 1860's uncivil war, would be Sherman's March to the sea destroying the "problem".
     
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    My County is pretty mixed; heck, my street is pretty mixed.

    My view is that if anybody brings violence to my neighborhood from outside, I'd be personally obliged to do what I could to defend ALL of my neighbors, whatever their stripe. My neighbors are my friends, regardless of their political views.

    Politics comes quite a few notches down on my list of priorities.

    >Posts crossed.<

    I've been in such a place before, during the Newark Riots of 1970. Our street, then, had responsible adults sitting on the front steps with shotguns across our laps. I was 24 at the time, with a Wife and toddler upstairs.

    The ANG, Police, and Rioters all just kept on going by. Keeping cool heads, and all neighbors hanging together was a recipe for relative peace and ultimate success.

    IMHO, the determining factor was the visible display of determination. We never saw anything resembling the photo directly above this post.

    The new factor for me will be the opportunism of the cartels and those constantly infiltrating North from the Border 50 Miles South of here. We've done some Recce's in the Cochise Stronghold campgrounds, which are closed for the Summer due to severe wildfire risk.

    The evidence is that they are being heavily used by illicit traffic. That's less than three miles from my home.

    Our first concern is about careless campfire discipline on their part.

    In one instance, one of them darted in front of a Recce Vehicle and got tagged. They were seen shortly later, in our town, obtaining bandages and first aid supplies.

    The risks here are not only imminent, they have been ongoing for years. Only God knows how that would change if domestic infighting started. I expect it would quickly rise to an intolerable level, and that neighbors would rise to the occasion. Arizonans don't quit, don't run.

    I am not involved in any organized planning or organizing for any "uprising". But I'd be looking and listening, and would be pretty certain to lend a hand to any reasonable efforts to keep the local peace, on the side of LE.

    I'd say, offhand, that any official attempts at civilian disarmament would be met with pretty hot response, pretty much immediately, given the sentiment of us Arizonans. Here, most of us are transplants, fairly recently; refugees from overly totalitarian regions; NY, CA, etc. We came here to be free, and anyone trying to take that away would not be well received.

    Many of us are Combat Veterans, and there are also some seriously capable LE Retirees. I think we could hold our own against anything less than a full military response. I'm just severely loathe to see such a need.

    If it comes, when it comes, it will be a race war, or at least start as one; because that's what the Swamp wants it to be.

    I have no immediate answer for that, I hope it doesn't come here, and it might not; most of us Arizonans are transplants. We've been acclimated to living in dense, mixed populations. We came here because we didn't favor the likely coming strife, and I've seen where outsiders who preach/live race hate here got slapped down pretty quick; happens more with the Snow Birds.

    We don't cotton to that stuff. We don't want it here, and we stand up to it.

    I left NY because Cuomo also told the Gun Owners there was no place for us there, either, and the City of New York just always seems to be a continuously growing Ghetto; largely due to Cuomo's support for the political policies that favor such.

    Places where I lived, like the Bronx and Astoria Queens, are now the hotbeds of the socialist madness. All the sane ones have already left; leaving the Bread and Circuses in the extreme. Booker's Newark really ain't the one I lived in, either.

    The state reps from the five Boroughs of NYC outnumber all the rest of the State reps combined in the legislature. There is no political way for decency to win in NY State. Our taxes fed the wrongdoing. My family balked and walked.

    The people of NYC like their Golden Chains. FUAC!

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    I do not believe there will be any winners if/when the current Civil War (we are already in it!) goes hot and folks start The Purge of any/all that idealistically don't agree with them. As other have pointed out, there is no North and South. The guy I do not agree with and am afraid is gonna ruin this country lives right next door...or is a Nephew. Or a Brother.

    I have a diverse family and we have all types. I live in a culturally diverse and ethnically diverse neighborhood and the hard core fascist lives right next door to the uber progressive liberal in this neighborhood. The kids all play together...we all eat together and share help/resources when it's literally -30 F and we got 15" of snow last night...I'm out there clearing the sidewalks and alley with Mexicans, poor white trash, Millennials, Blacks, Jews, common laborers and guys who have more money than God.

    There won't be any winners when it goes hot. The enemy lives right next door and I generally like him except for his politics.

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    Damn man, where do you live? It’s 101 where I’m at. I’d take some snow. And you are 100% right. There are no winners in the scenario you describe, only losers. Nobody that has seen what this could look like would wish that upon their own streets and neighbors. However, I’m afraid they have pushed the lion so far and aren’t going to stop, that I really don’t see another alternative at this point. If we are lucky, it will take decades to get to that point, but I’m not getting any younger. I’m in my 30’s and while that’s not really old, I’d rather have to deal with this stuff now rather than when I’m in my 70’s, assuming any of us make it that long. This country is headed down a spiral tho that I dont think can be corrected at this point. That is for sure. I’ve done the best I can to get into areas with like-minded people for just the reasons you mentioned. There will be no clear sides and whatnot which might make it a free for all, which definitely does not bode well for anyone. The America as we know it may never recover once it starts.
     

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    The America we know......
    Knew..... is already gone.
    It's not coming back, ever.

    Jeff Cooper said, "The past is another country". And I add, "a civilization never to be seen again".

    The America we know today will not be the America we know a year from now. The paradigm shift is here and in full speed mode.
     

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    My neighbors are my friends, regardless of their political views
    You see the problem is your neighbors that hate the right/Trump and any ideology that doesn't align with theirs may not feel as nice as you do about their raciest, alt right, gun loving neighbor down the street and maybe they would like to bash your head in if given the opportunity..............Just Saying!
     

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    Interesting thread reading to this point. May I interject one point? Once "Your" power is out for 2-3 weeks an all your home/local generators have been destroyed in the first week or so, will mind sets change somewhat? I see that little problem becoming a bigger issue for many. Easy to say what you would do as long as the power, water, food, meds are flowing. However it will be somewhat different in reality, ask around. Remember most city's do not have base load or peaking plants located inside their beltways, nor do they make an store all required/wanted stores for life or comfort past 72 hr's. All that has to pass flyover an JIT freight, will not be JIT very long. Modern America only runs when all systems are at least 85-90% whores. The more complex the system the easier to corrupt same.

    I've seen womans hat pins drop whole networks for days/weeks then once the hat pins had been found an removed, no one thought to check the complete system prior to powering up. That is when the real damage was done. Not everything will be black an white when/if you have pissed off the right people. Big liberal city's are prime targets for adjustments if they really what to dance an play tag,...
    Research damages done by unions during strikes, to get a little glimmer of what would be in-store. Now add that to every sector of required infrastructure you depend upon,... There will be mass movements to flyover, but that is not saying all will be enjoying/partaking of flyover fruits, very long if at all,...
     

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    Remember Somalia when Adid became a target, b4 the blackhawk went down. Everybody remembers the downing and after, but few look at b4.

    Relief supplies were going in, and Adid was cutting them off, and disrupting the distribution.
    Or completely stealing them. Once the people got desperate enough, relief supply convoys were mobbed and none got through.

    In Venezuela, very recently, the relief convoys were not allowed entry, and some supplies ruined while stuck in "waiting".

    Imagine that, food convoys into Detroit, Chicago, or NYC, looking like pre-blackhawk Somalia or recent Venezuela.
    Or anybody who served in the Balkans, just ask them what they saw.

    Nobody in their right mind wants to see that coming.

    And in the aftermath, .gov setting up refugee resettlement camps outside those cities, maybe in your state... taking your resources.

    It can happen here.


    And jfwiw, union strikes mentioned above, only created the chaos and disassembly/tearing down because the external infrastructure kept working and nobody starved. The people who create such activity as seen during strikes and hatpins, would be served to remember that you have to be deep enough inside the perimeter to create some of those damages, then you have to get out alive, perhaps, after destroying infrastructure items.
    Any recent hurricane evacuation should show the difficulty that can happen when good people try to get out.
    And Katrina/Nola shows what happens when poor people cant get out. And what happens when good people stay. And all that is coincidental to functional .gov and organized recovery efforts.

    No one here has seen, in this country, no recovery effort and the aftermath of it, or the adding in intentional hatpinning infrastructures units that make Adid and Somalia or Venezuela look tame.

    An ounce of prevention is worth pounds and pounds of cure. If only people with sense would take the steps to prevent this problem.

    Just more pictures painted here, of what could be, and doesnt need to be.

    And some of the readers here, see the potential evil that others are prepared to inflict. Patriots prepared to hatpin an infrastructure to punish their perceived enemy, yet failing to see they will be hurting way more innocent old people and children who look, think, and are them, just living behind inner city lines right now.
    And they will be hurting good people who are working inside those "places" who are doing nothing more than working to keep America on an even keel, just keeping the American dream alive.
    And while hurting innocents, doing absolutely nothing to the power structure trying to destroy America. Destroy the village to save it, and turn even more to the other side. Which has helped those bad influences win and make Cuba's and other places.

    Ethnic cleansing has been done for less...

    It. Does. Not. Have. To. Go. There..


    Modern medicine has a better answer, precise laser surgical removal of the cancers. Too bad we dont have enough surgeons to do the job.
     
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    Modern medicine has a better answer, precise laser surgical removal of the cancers. Too bad we dont have enough surgeons to do the job.
    Modern medicine on both sides use many robots, some are able to take direction from afar, as long as hatpins do not disrupt. It will be a brave new country if/when push comes to shove. The shit holes talked about above, did not have the fight back capability or different tooling/ knowledge that resides within this country. If they loose their junk yard dogs, they need to understand all the ramifications, to include of some people just vanishing.
     
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    I do not believe there will be any winners if/when the current Civil War (we are already in it!) goes hot and folks start The Purge of any/all that idealistically don't agree with them. As other have pointed out, there is no North and South. The guy I do not agree with and am afraid is gonna ruin this country lives right next door...or is a Nephew. Or a Brother.

    I have a diverse family and we have all types. I live in a culturally diverse and ethnically diverse neighborhood and the hard core fascist lives right next door to the uber progressive liberal in this neighborhood. The kids all play together...we all eat together and share help/resources when it's literally -30 F and we got 15" of snow last night...I'm out there clearing the sidewalks and alley with Mexicans, poor white trash, Millennials, Blacks, Jews, common laborers and guys who have more money than God.

    There won't be any winners when it goes hot. The enemy lives right next door and I generally like him except for his politics.

    VooDoo

    See the picture Nik posted above? That's what your multiethnic multi-cultural, polypolitical neighborhood will end up looking like.
     
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    Metaphorically speaking, there is one company selling a lot of agent orange, and a number of users are spraying it. The cancer rate grows exponentially.

    We need medical and surgical intervention. Metaphorically of course, robotic or menial, matters not. The cancers need attention.
     

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    Metaphorically speaking, there is one company selling a lot of agent orange, and a number of users are spraying it. The cancer rate grows exponentially.

    We need medical and surgical intervention. Metaphorically of course, robotic or menial, matters not. The cancers need attention.
    It's a shame hall passes, are no longer used in these days. As a note from dad would stave off many issues long ago but, dad being the issue now, only leaves truthful/forthright Dr's on staff, if one could find such,...
     

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    See the picture Nik posted above? That's what your multiethnic multi-cultural, polypolitical neighborhood will end up looking like.

    Anyone that believes that this will be a war like that waged in the 1860s is in for a shock. I really believe Sarajevo or Spain in the 1930s are good models.

    I believe cities will really look like this. Many city dwellers are not passionate one way or another politically....they go with the flow but they don't fully comprehend the nightmare they will face living in cities. As @Gunfighter14e2 points out, these places will be uninhabitable when the power has been off for a few weeks and food, water and other services that are "expected" are gone.

    People that have never known want of anything will turn into raving lunatics trying to survive. The inner city poor will have no rule of law to stop them any more...I believe that if it ever goes that deep, the % dead will make CV1 statistics look tame.