I need a oversize bolt handle threaded on my 700. I like the badgers but aslo like some of the custom knobs out there. Anyone provide this service? Recommendations??
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Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
If you are talking about bolt handle then there are quite a few HIDE members here on this board that provide that service.
If you are talking about bolt handle then there are quite a few HIDE members here on this board that provide that service.
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remi308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700. Anyone provide this service? Recommendations?? </div></div>
i would be curious to know what your need is?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remi308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700. Anyone provide this service? Recommendations?? </div></div>
i would be curious to know what your need is?
Re: I need a oversize bolt handle thread on my 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remi308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700. Anyone provide this service? Recommendations?? </div></div>
i would be curious to know what your need is? </div></div> Bolt handle threaded.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remi308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700. Anyone provide this service? Recommendations?? </div></div>
i would be curious to know what your need is? </div></div> Bolt handle threaded.
Re: I need a oversize bolt handle thread on my 700
Here's who I used, Fast service and great work
http://www.ordnancesystem.com/
Here's who I used, Fast service and great work
http://www.ordnancesystem.com/
Re: I need a oversize bolt handle thread on my 700
AZPrecision hands down!Thats what he DOES.
azprecisiongunsmithing.com
AZPrecision hands down!Thats what he DOES.
azprecisiongunsmithing.com
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
Matt at Ordnance Systems does a great job. I believe it tig welds a stud onto the end of the bolt handle, blends in it and then attaches the bolt knob to the stud.
Keith at AZ Precision does a good job with his own proprietary bolt knobs. Its a clean fit and I dont believe it requires any refinishing.
We do them as well and its done a little differently than the two previous shops. Pick your flavor and dont look back. They will all work well have their own pro's and con's.
SAC: Bolt knob conversion
Mark
Matt at Ordnance Systems does a great job. I believe it tig welds a stud onto the end of the bolt handle, blends in it and then attaches the bolt knob to the stud.
Keith at AZ Precision does a good job with his own proprietary bolt knobs. Its a clean fit and I dont believe it requires any refinishing.
We do them as well and its done a little differently than the two previous shops. Pick your flavor and dont look back. They will all work well have their own pro's and con's.
SAC: Bolt knob conversion
Mark
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
I do it the strongest way possible. I thread the actual Remington handle for Badger knobs.
I do it the strongest way possible. I thread the actual Remington handle for Badger knobs.
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do it the strongest way possible. I thread the actual Remington handle for Badger knobs. </div></div>
Some haven't a clue!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do it the strongest way possible. I thread the actual Remington handle for Badger knobs. </div></div>
Some haven't a clue!!!
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M.Gordon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Matt at Ordnance Systems does a great job. I believe it tig welds a stud onto the end of the bolt handle, blends in it and then attaches the bolt knob to the stud.
Keith at AZ Precision does a good job with his own proprietary bolt knobs. Its a clean fit and I dont believe it requires any refinishing.
We do them as well and its done a little differently than the two previous shops. Pick your flavor and dont look back. They will all work well have their own pro's and con's.
SAC: Bolt knob conversion
Mark
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Couldn't have said it better myself, thanks for the plug Mark! If cost is a factor, I believe I'm the most expensive at $130, though I don't know what the current rate is from AZ or SAC.
-matt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M.Gordon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Matt at Ordnance Systems does a great job. I believe it tig welds a stud onto the end of the bolt handle, blends in it and then attaches the bolt knob to the stud.
Keith at AZ Precision does a good job with his own proprietary bolt knobs. Its a clean fit and I dont believe it requires any refinishing.
We do them as well and its done a little differently than the two previous shops. Pick your flavor and dont look back. They will all work well have their own pro's and con's.
SAC: Bolt knob conversion
Mark
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Couldn't have said it better myself, thanks for the plug Mark! If cost is a factor, I believe I'm the most expensive at $130, though I don't know what the current rate is from AZ or SAC.
-matt
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DANS40X</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do it the strongest way possible. I thread the actual Remington handle for Badger knobs. </div></div>
Some haven't a clue!!! </div></div>
Dan,
Why would you quote me and say what you did? I'm all ears and always looking for the best in everything. I didn't invent the process but choose it based on merit.
Here is the method I use.
Here is actual results.
There are certainly easier ways to do it but I believe they compromise strength. Is there a stronger way than threading the original shank?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DANS40X</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do it the strongest way possible. I thread the actual Remington handle for Badger knobs. </div></div>
Some haven't a clue!!! </div></div>
Dan,
Why would you quote me and say what you did? I'm all ears and always looking for the best in everything. I didn't invent the process but choose it based on merit.
Here is the method I use.
Here is actual results.
There are certainly easier ways to do it but I believe they compromise strength. Is there a stronger way than threading the original shank?
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
My only concern with threading the shank itself is what happens if there is a void in the material of the shank itself?
My only concern with threading the shank itself is what happens if there is a void in the material of the shank itself?
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
I have yet to see one with a void. I suppose if I did I would most likley tig on a PT&G prethreaded handle.
I have yet to see one with a void. I suppose if I did I would most likley tig on a PT&G prethreaded handle.
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There are certainly easier ways to do it but I believe they compromise strength. Is there a stronger way than threading the original shank? </div></div>
While not easier, I feel that welding a pinned fixture like the TacOps kits provide is stronger than simply threading the original handle. Of course I have never tested this, so it's only based on my own perception, but from what I've seen I'm quite comfortable saying that it's stronger.
-matt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There are certainly easier ways to do it but I believe they compromise strength. Is there a stronger way than threading the original shank? </div></div>
While not easier, I feel that welding a pinned fixture like the TacOps kits provide is stronger than simply threading the original handle. Of course I have never tested this, so it's only based on my own perception, but from what I've seen I'm quite comfortable saying that it's stronger.
-matt
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
Any welding is going to force a refinish. I can cold machine it and not have to force the customer to pay for a refinish. Helps keep the cost down. Chopping a knob off and tigging in an instert would certainly be a lot faster and easier.
Drilling and using a machine screw or a set screw "stud" would certainly acheive the same look but be much smaller than the 3/8 or 5/16 threaded original forged handle shank.
Any welding is going to force a refinish. I can cold machine it and not have to force the customer to pay for a refinish. Helps keep the cost down. Chopping a knob off and tigging in an instert would certainly be a lot faster and easier.
Drilling and using a machine screw or a set screw "stud" would certainly acheive the same look but be much smaller than the 3/8 or 5/16 threaded original forged handle shank.
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
Not worried about having to refinish, Bolt handle was sprayed with Aluma hyde II. Short action customs bolt looks fantastic they way you blend them in, very sharp. I really like the phoenix handle from AZ too. Could you guys PM me about pricing? Thanks for all the replies.
Not worried about having to refinish, Bolt handle was sprayed with Aluma hyde II. Short action customs bolt looks fantastic they way you blend them in, very sharp. I really like the phoenix handle from AZ too. Could you guys PM me about pricing? Thanks for all the replies.
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DANS40X</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do it the strongest way possible. I thread the actual Remington handle for Badger knobs. </div></div>
Some haven't a clue!!! </div></div>
Dan,
Why would you quote me and say what you did? I'm all ears and always looking for the best in everything. I didn't invent the process but choose it based on merit.
Here is the method I use.
Here is actual results.
There are certainly easier ways to do it but I believe they compromise strength. Is there a stronger way than threading the original shank? </div></div>
The "strongest way possible" is to tig a complete one-piece handle/knob to the bolt. Replacing only the knob is ok, but you are still left with a silver-soldered factory bolt handle. Dan did mine and I love it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DANS40X</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do it the strongest way possible. I thread the actual Remington handle for Badger knobs. </div></div>
Some haven't a clue!!! </div></div>
Dan,
Why would you quote me and say what you did? I'm all ears and always looking for the best in everything. I didn't invent the process but choose it based on merit.
Here is the method I use.
Here is actual results.
There are certainly easier ways to do it but I believe they compromise strength. Is there a stronger way than threading the original shank? </div></div>
The "strongest way possible" is to tig a complete one-piece handle/knob to the bolt. Replacing only the knob is ok, but you are still left with a silver-soldered factory bolt handle. Dan did mine and I love it.
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
Here are some pictures I have taken. You will notice that the majority of the cavities will be closer to the unturned section of the bolt handle, this means that the majority of the leverage will be exerted on the weakened area of the bolt handle. Also, the .1"-.2" counterbore that most bolt knobs have put the stress at the worse part of the handle.
I quit taking pictures of them because it happens quite often in my experience. My "bolt knob conversions" page explains what I do to fix this.
Bolt Knob Conversions
Here are some pictures I have taken. You will notice that the majority of the cavities will be closer to the unturned section of the bolt handle, this means that the majority of the leverage will be exerted on the weakened area of the bolt handle. Also, the .1"-.2" counterbore that most bolt knobs have put the stress at the worse part of the handle.
I quit taking pictures of them because it happens quite often in my experience. My "bolt knob conversions" page explains what I do to fix this.
Bolt Knob Conversions
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
I wasn't looking to start anything. I should have worded that different. I should have clarified that as a cold method meaning no refinish needed I meant that the threading the original shank to 5/16 or even 3/8 providing it is sound would be better than using a smaller machine screw insert alone as a stud.
Anyway.
Dilling and pinning it to beef up a voided handle is another way to address the issue. To cut it off and tig on a pinned insert is another option I like the looks of. I can't find it right now but there was a post awhile back where a guy was doing them in bulk and then reprofiling them to hide the weld. That looked very nice and I bet proved to be a good sound way. If those inserts were available premade in bulk I would consider adopting that one where refinish was acceptable. Some guys don't want the finish altered so a cold method leaves me at threading it cold.
I fully agree with Billyboy, <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The "strongest way possible" is to tig a complete one-piece handle/knob to the bolt. </div></div>
I push for this way on every trued action to keep the bolt timing as good as it can be.
I wasn't looking to start anything. I should have worded that different. I should have clarified that as a cold method meaning no refinish needed I meant that the threading the original shank to 5/16 or even 3/8 providing it is sound would be better than using a smaller machine screw insert alone as a stud.
Anyway.
Dilling and pinning it to beef up a voided handle is another way to address the issue. To cut it off and tig on a pinned insert is another option I like the looks of. I can't find it right now but there was a post awhile back where a guy was doing them in bulk and then reprofiling them to hide the weld. That looked very nice and I bet proved to be a good sound way. If those inserts were available premade in bulk I would consider adopting that one where refinish was acceptable. Some guys don't want the finish altered so a cold method leaves me at threading it cold.
I fully agree with Billyboy, <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The "strongest way possible" is to tig a complete one-piece handle/knob to the bolt. </div></div>
I push for this way on every trued action to keep the bolt timing as good as it can be.
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
I thread mine 3/8 x 24 t.p.i....and have done many for others........ no failures....
Threading leaves room for options....i.e. size,style,color... welding does not...
OMHO.... mileage may vary....
bill larson
I thread mine 3/8 x 24 t.p.i....and have done many for others........ no failures....
Threading leaves room for options....i.e. size,style,color... welding does not...
OMHO.... mileage may vary....
bill larson
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
As I was talking to another hide member this morning made me think of a rifle in process right now that the threads came out a bit funny on so I went out for a closer look. I think I have found my first void. The bolt is from a brand new Remington police rifle.
3 taps of the hammer later and it's now ready for a new PT&G handle.
As I was talking to another hide member this morning made me think of a rifle in process right now that the threads came out a bit funny on so I went out for a closer look. I think I have found my first void. The bolt is from a brand new Remington police rifle.
3 taps of the hammer later and it's now ready for a new PT&G handle.
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I was talking to another hide member this morning made me think of a rifle in process right now that the threads came out a bit funny on so I went out for a closer look. I think I have found my first void. The bolt is from a brand new Remington police rifle.
3 taps of the hammer later and it's now ready for a new PT&G handle.
</div></div>
I think you're on the right track. There is a need for solid conversions that do not require refinishing and can be done with a few day turn around. That is how my conversion practice evolved into what it is. Since you can Tig Weld, as mentioned, relocating the handle forward is the best option but having your conversions that you offer is another good option for customers.
On the other hand, by the time you true a bolt, perform the conversion, or add a straight threaded handle, you are almost at the point where a PTG One Piece bolt would make more sense.
Mark
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I was talking to another hide member this morning made me think of a rifle in process right now that the threads came out a bit funny on so I went out for a closer look. I think I have found my first void. The bolt is from a brand new Remington police rifle.
3 taps of the hammer later and it's now ready for a new PT&G handle.
</div></div>
I think you're on the right track. There is a need for solid conversions that do not require refinishing and can be done with a few day turn around. That is how my conversion practice evolved into what it is. Since you can Tig Weld, as mentioned, relocating the handle forward is the best option but having your conversions that you offer is another good option for customers.
On the other hand, by the time you true a bolt, perform the conversion, or add a straight threaded handle, you are almost at the point where a PTG One Piece bolt would make more sense.
Mark
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
Good point. I won't be charging for the threading on this one and the whole rifle is getting Cerakote anyway so the difference on this build is nill. I'm still waiting on the barrel for this one so it's in no hurry. We are taking the rest of this week off to attend some training.
Good point. I won't be charging for the threading on this one and the whole rifle is getting Cerakote anyway so the difference on this build is nill. I'm still waiting on the barrel for this one so it's in no hurry. We are taking the rest of this week off to attend some training.
Re: I need a oversize bolt threaded on my 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't find it right now but there was a post awhile back where a guy was doing them in bulk and then reprofiling them to hide the weld. That looked very nice and I bet proved to be a good sound way. If those inserts were available premade in bulk I would consider adopting that one where refinish was acceptable.</div></div>
That was me, here:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...rue#Post2235365
Tactical Operations makes all the threaded inserts and knobs that I install. They're 5/16-18 so if you were looking to use 5/16-24 like what's in a Badger knob you'd need to get them from a different supplier, or custom-make them as I've done in the past. Keep in mind that bolt knob installs are really all I do, so I've been able to really focus on my process and hone it to what it currently is.
-matt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't find it right now but there was a post awhile back where a guy was doing them in bulk and then reprofiling them to hide the weld. That looked very nice and I bet proved to be a good sound way. If those inserts were available premade in bulk I would consider adopting that one where refinish was acceptable.</div></div>
That was me, here:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...rue#Post2235365
Tactical Operations makes all the threaded inserts and knobs that I install. They're 5/16-18 so if you were looking to use 5/16-24 like what's in a Badger knob you'd need to get them from a different supplier, or custom-make them as I've done in the past. Keep in mind that bolt knob installs are really all I do, so I've been able to really focus on my process and hone it to what it currently is.
-matt
