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I pulled my kid out of public school

Fig

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I’m in the best public school district in St. Louis by performance and academics. Two years ago the did an $80M renovation of the high school. It is now a superior facility to when I went to college. Over the top.

1. We got a letter saying the district is all in on BLM. That set off all the alarms and we started applying and taking entrance exams. No one is teaching my kid to be a racist. Shit would get real for them.
2. The way they’ve led us on with survey after survey and lied and failed to plan for a total shutdown/virtual was unconscionable. It is absolutely clear to me they never intended to have school.
3. I don’t have grade schoolers, but last week the teachers union informed the superintendent they would not report to work. Essential? Guess not. Fuck them
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not bellyaching. I’ve been terribly comfortable and will continue to be in spite of having to buy a new Mercedes every year
$25k/per kid means sacrifices. Bye bye trips, shooting, really everything since this won’t end for me for 10 years.
I’m fooked. ;)

Don’t GAF anyway. My priorities couldn’t be clearer, and I’m good with that. I’m mostly sad for all the families who have no choice and have to be held hostage by a terrorist teachers union. I’m my own boss and can be flixible. WTF do people do who have to go to work? Leave the kids to remote learn by themselves? That shit didn’t work for us when we were there (real boys).
I’m just sharing because I know it’s a friendly audience. God help the liberal moron who starts defending this shit, because I’m going to be a first class asshole.
Kids ask me why I’m so angry all the time, stomping around and muttering to myself. Well, now you know. ;)
 
Good for you.

I dont have that as an option, not right yet anyways.
Could you homeschool and save the $? Could hire a good teacher to do that work at your home for less than 2 kids in private at 25k per year.
Just thinking.
Cause I may be up the same creek without a choice before you know it.

I would move the heck out of the Denver area in a heartbeat if not for shared custody.
Small town, or a small acreage close to a small town.
Where I grew up, libertarians were the most “left” people around.
 
We have a Senior in HS and a Sophomore in HS. I am mostly worried about my youngest in 8th grade and we are now looking at a coordinated approach with some other families to remove them from Middle School and do home schooling. Where I live, we have several Tier 1 boarding schools that locals can attend without boarding but they are still $40K a year per student. I am not so sure that the curriculum is any better. Our HS is #2 or #3 in state and is consistent.

We have a couple of communists in the HS but my kids have managed to avoid their classes. I put a TRUMP bumpersticker and an anti-Bernie Sanders sticker that I got from @sirhrmechanic on top of a Chez Guevara poster in his class one night after a hockey game.....LMAO. It caused all sorts of waves but no one was the wiser.

Teachers should be canned that don't go back. It is called job abandonment.
 
Every homed schooled kid I ever new is socially ackward. That is my concern with that. It follows them into their adulthood.
Yes, definitely a possibility. My children are around more adults, therefore they shake hands, look you in the eye, converse intelligently on a multitude of topics, are polite, respectful etc. They emulate their influences? Yes, I'm proud of them. However, Definitely not for everyone or every child!
 
Every homed schooled kid I ever new is socially ackward. That is my concern with that. It follows them into their adulthood.
This is why I have resisted home schooling to date. I have noticed the same thing. Where I live, it is also difficult to participate in organized sports if you are not part of a school team.

I am really not that upset about the curriculum being taught as you usually know the teachers and can request that your child is not in that class. The problem I have with my daughter's middle school is that it was as if there was no school. They did a very poor job with remote learning. Much different than the HS. My HS kids were always busy. Maybe more so than when they were in person.

Kids need to go back to school...period. We don't know whether that will happen or not. Part of me feels that it would be incredibly disruptive for them to go back because of the COVID rules that are being attached to in-person teaching. If one kid gets COVID, then they quarantine the class. If 2 or more kids get sick, then the school gets shut down. The back and forth will likely result in more trouble than if they just stay at home.

It is FUCKING STUPID
 
Homeschool, it's not easy. But the results can be worth it!


This. I went to one of the top private (military) high schools and can say while you may not get the leftist agenda there is certainly a lot of negative shit to be put up with.

I think Nik's idea of forming a (small local) community group is great, it avoids that isolation and potential social awkwardness.
 
I know a lot of folks who went the private school route.

So much more social stuff for kids doing that than there was 20 yrs ago. Besides all the online/phone social crap kids do these days.

I also noticed kids were more a product of their environment.
Parents who were real wacko had real wacko kids. From the hyper religious type to the nutty leftists to the germaphobes all raised kids with issues.

I like the co-op idea
 
My two girls have been homeschooled since they started school. I have one that has been in early college for 1.5 semesters. She is a senior this fall/ she should graduate HS next spring with an associates degree in applied science of nursing so that should give her a little advantage in life. My kids are not socially awkward, their parents are loud and obnoxious so the girls are pretty outgoing.. haha. I have known some backward homeschool kids but most seem like their parents are quiet and shy. We never put them in sports but they sure like shooting and hunting with me.. It has been rewarding. The Covid shutdown had little to no effect on our everyday lives.. Your results may vary.. It has worked well for us so far...
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find a teacher that you care for and convert some ones garage to a small school house and have a few familys kids over and have the teacher assist in online courses.
with everything else i have going on and our local public schools system fucking around, im converting this room as we speak. ill have it drywalled and airconditioned in a week.
i hav e 3 here in elemetary school and i dont like their lifestyle right now, im making it more regimented and bringing the school environment back to their education. id love to have a few other students and share the cost of an out of work teacher
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youre not being held hostage by the teachers union, you are being held hostage by the teachers.
the teachers are the union
I'm trying not to paint with a broad brush, because a lot of teachers are not in a panic and want to go back to the classroom. But,...you're not wrong.

This is just more, radical, leftist bullshit politisizing EVERYTHING. To these fucking fanatics everything is political.
 
I don't know what to say yet on this covid shit. Downstate Michigan has it all over and we've barely been touched up here in the Keweenaw. 50 cases, no deaths.
So, I could see teachers not wanting to go into overcrowded classrooms with no control over the spread of it. Surprised, then again maybe not considering the source, that it has lasted this long.

But, it still doesn't excuse not educating kids because of the pandemic. Unfortunately, we have a lot of parents that think they have no involvement with their kids educations. They think they just turn them over to the school and that's the education they get. It always helps when a parent wants to help and further their kids chances with getting an education. They may not know what or how to teach, but they oughta try to find who can.

Added: I'll say it again, if no one heard me the first time, the amount of money we put into college sports is atrocious when you consider how many kids need academic education.
 
So, we can put up plexi, and clean, and keep the grocery stores open, because that's essential dontchaknow, but we can't figure out how to protect teachers? What a crock of bullshit. The kids are not at risk, period. They are in hundreds of times more danger from the ride to school than they are from covid, and if I hear another fucktard say how there was one child who died in Gerogia with no comorbidities they should be throat punched. Right now in terms of lethality is .07% cause of death under 18. They are essentially in NO Danger from getting covid. Flu is hundreds or even thousands of time more dangerous for them.

It is literally a non issue, and I've got no problem with teachers who have personal issues (comorbidities, age, communal family living arrangements) taking a year off from teaching if they have a personal issue, but to crush us all because of a few is insane. This is insane, and I believe it is 100% poitical, and 100% irational fear.
 
Fig: good for you. I have been a public school employee for over a decade and an admin for three of those years. The bullshit I deal with in NYS with the union is astronomically retarded and unruly. Fear mongering at its finest. I’m ready for things to just go back to normal. But they aren’t. It’s bullshit. I’ve contemplated placing my kid in private school too, for various reasons. The minute that solidarity is shown with BLM, Antifa or 1619, they’re done. I’ll fight to my careers death to stop that shit. Good for you man. Hard move to make but I get it.
 
Its a shame the school districts havent put together an information packet for parents and teachers to educate them about the early zero threat this virus poses to the children and teachers alike. I know why and its disgusting.
It's not an "early zero threat". It's the same threat to healthy children as it is to healthy adults. Both are more recoverable than people with underlying health issues. So, if kids have an underlying health issue, parents should make the arrangements for remote education. Again, some effort is needed from parents of kids wanting them to get an education.

What we do know is that physical distancing and being outdoors are better at not spreading it. All I'm hearing is that no way can this be accomplished. It can. Bunching too many students into a crowded room is the issue. Alternate attendance could help with reducing class sizes. Setting up chat/contact people to help kids with questions. Better cleanliness habits make a big difference too. On a side note, as of late, I've noticed a lot of hand sanitizer smelling like tequila.😁 That oughta keep the kids happy.😜

All said and done, whatever the threat one thinks this is, we still need to move forward and educate our kids.
 
FYI, there are many threads on social media with teachers discussing how remote learning will expose their social justice programming and how to continue the brainwashing without being exposed or detected.
 
0 is an infinitely large number. There is not a zero threat of a meteor strike on your kid's heads. The threat of serious illness from Covid to those under 18 is an astronomically small number. It is much smaller than a lightning strike. 6,000 people per year are struck by lightning, and 20% of those die. Covid is less of a threat. Flu is hundreds of times more dangerous, period.

Making policy on that basis is a lie. This is politics and fear, and nothing at all real. The media lies.
 
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Absolutely not true. There is no threat to children. The flu is many many more times as deadly to children than this virus that has killed just over 30. Even kids with underlying conditions are no more in danger today than they were during every other flu season in history. Educate yourself.

Texas has had zero children die from this virus. Well over 100 have died from influenza and pneumonia in the same timeframe. Its the same everywhere in the world.
You kind of remind me of my dad with his idea of safety, "You just have to be a little faster than the machine.... Now don't get your fingers caught!"

You might want to educate yourself. It's not just the children getting it, it's them giving to the whole school staff. And yeah, while children are in less immediate danger, there is still a threat to them sending them into a covid infested school...such as Texas, that is now short on hospital beds due to covid.

Added: Having no kids in a school system anymore, I'll leave the discussion. You decide what's best for your kids.
 
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find a teacher that you care for and convert some ones garage to a small school house and have a few familys kids over and have the teacher assist in online courses.
with everything else i have going on and our local public schools system fucking around, im converting this room as we speak. ill have it drywalled and airconditioned in a week.
i hav e 3 here in elemetary school and i dont like their lifestyle right now, im making it more regimented and bringing the school environment back to their education. id love to have a few other students and share the cost of an out of work teacherView attachment 7395099

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Wholly Shit! Big Mike, I would have never thought......... :ROFLMAO:



btw: Is that lumber available? ;)
 
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Every homed schooled kid I ever new is socially ackward. That is my concern with that. It follows them into their adulthood.
Raise them right (and I'm not saying you're not) and you won't have anything to worry about.

My brother and I were home schooled all they from day one until the end. I'm 33 now my brother is 26. All through our lives when people found out we were home schooled they couldn't believe it. They always said, well you're not weird like most home schoolers lol.

I will admit, I went on several field trips with home school groups and there were some weirdos in the bunch. I can remember even at a young age packed in a van going on a field trip somewhere and thinking to myself, I don't belong with these people lol.

I've got five cousins that were brought up the same way. Out of all seven of us, three of us have done well in the construction industry, either in management or as skilled tradesman. Two of my cousins have gone on to start their own successful small businesses. One is a registered nurse. And one well, she always was an odd bird. It was our parents that taught us how to get along in the real world not our schooling.
 
OP you have a little money to create and option for your family/kids but we are all not that financially buoyant. I hate how the bring politics to everything. Why can't kids just go to school and leave the who BLM shit out the doors.
 
Too true. I guess that's why I'm still so pissed, and can't seem to calm down even though its a done deal. I'm really not thinking about myself or my kids. We had choices and we made choices based on what we thought was best for our kids. They're still not going to full school. They're starting off as a hybrid where they're in pods and essentially virtual learning in a classroom and spread out, and about 25% of the kids opted for full virtual. They left the decisions up to the parents, not the teachers or the administrators. We are having school in some form and will not phone it in like they are in the public schools.

In this private school, sort of like pro-sports, the teachers will be in empty classrooms teaching in front of a camera, but the curriculum and the work will be the same as if they were in person. Accommodations will be made, and they'll still go to PE. They will reassess whether than can start full school every month. The teachers who have personal issues/reasons not to come in will be allowed to teach their full course from home.

Honestly, I don't at all see why this is so hard. It's the most obvious way to have the most/best school with the least disruption. All these education experts who want to remake the wheel are retarded. This makes the most sense, and when I found out that's what this school was doing the decision was easy. Clearly they have the common sense that is so lacking across the education establishment. Shit has got to change.

I think this experience of being held hostage by the unions, indoctrination, and basically every ill of socialized education being magnified is going to change a lot of minds about school choice and just how fucked up (even the best) public schools are. Parents are not in control AT ALL. I.E., they have ZERO say. I can attest that three of the nine School board members in my district are retired teachers receiving generous pensions from the union. Five are leftist, with one a radical BLM/ANTIFA type. There is one who is conservative, and you can tell because he's always the no vote. That has GOT to change. On autopilot is was ok that these idiots were in charge. Now that leadership is required they have to GO!
 
My son went through a local nature focused pre-k programrun by the local city but he hasn't gone to a regular public school yet. The ones here suck in terms of state rankings. It was my wife's idea and I'm glad we did it. I'm thankful his Parochial school is about $6K/year and not 25-40K like you guys are dealing with. That's fuckin nuts.

After hearing about the shit coming out of schools these days I'm glad that he's not going there.

Also an interesting listen from The Social Regressive.

 
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Every homed schooled kid I ever new is socially ackward. That is my concern with that. It follows them into their adulthood.
To say every home schooled kid is socially awkward is just pure bullshit, its what the public schools want you to believe so you will send your kids to them for the indoctrination to stat in kindergarten. My three youngest kids were all home schooled and they are now all smart well adjusted productive adults that think for themselves without all the socialist bullshit pounded into them for 12 years. It's not easy and takes one hell of a lot of hard work and commitment but in my mind it was worth every minute for my kids to become adults that think for themselves. Public schools don't teach kids what they need to know to be productive members of society, shit I know kids that graduated from high school that cant even balance a checkbook, they're just taught the socialist agenda. You get out of your kids what you put into them and my kids are worth the effort.
 
To say every home schooled kid is socially awkward is just pure bullshit, its what the public schools want you to believe so you will send your kids to them for the indoctrination to stat in kindergarten. My three youngest kids were all home schooled and they are now all smart well adjusted productive adults that think for themselves without all the socialist bullshit pounded into them for 12 years. It's not easy and takes one hell of a lot of hard work and commitment but in my mind it was worth every minute for my kids to become adults that think for themselves. Public schools don't teach kids what they need to know to be productive members of society, shit I know kids that graduated from high school that cant even balance a checkbook, they're just taught the socialist agenda. You get out of your kids what you put into them and my kids are worth the effort.
You are better than me. There, I said it.
Not joking either. Fuck that. Can't do it.

We both work, and make a lot of money, and neither of us have it in us to try and teach our kids full school. I'm teaching them all the time and they're listening and absorbing, but that last semester last year 'bout kilt us. It honestly hurt my relationship with my kids. Some kids you can set the lesson in front of them and they'll knock it out, but mine I had to fight tooth and nail the whole way. Can't do it again. Can't. They HAVE to go back to school!
 
To say every home schooled kid is socially awkward is just pure bullshit, its what the public schools want you to believe so you will send your kids to them for the indoctrination to stat in kindergarten. My three youngest kids were all home schooled and they are now all smart well adjusted productive adults that think for themselves without all the socialist bullshit pounded into them for 12 years. It's not easy and takes one hell of a lot of hard work and commitment but in my mind it was worth every minute for my kids to become adults that think for themselves. Public schools don't teach kids what they need to know to be productive members of society, shit I know kids that graduated from high school that cant even balance a checkbook, they're just taught the socialist agenda. You get out of your kids what you put into them and my kids are worth the effort.
Well Said!!
 
I don't know what to say yet on this covid shit. Downstate Michigan has it all over and we've barely been touched up here in the Keweenaw. 50 cases, no deaths.
So, I could see teachers not wanting to go into overcrowded classrooms with no control over the spread of it. Surprised, then again maybe not considering the source, that it has lasted this long.

But, it still doesn't excuse not educating kids because of the pandemic. Unfortunately, we have a lot of parents that think they have no involvement with their kids educations. They think they just turn them over to the school and that's the education they get. It always helps when a parent wants to help and further their kids chances with getting an education. They may not know what or how to teach, but they oughta try to find who can.

Added: I'll say it again, if no one heard me the first time, the amount of money we put into college sports is atrocious when you consider how many kids need academic education.

I wouldnt buy the reports of how "all over" it is down here. My wife works at a hospital and they have ONE patient and hundreds of beds ready to go at a moments notice. Numbers are up but complications and deaths are basically nonexistent. Our governor is a piece of shit.
 
Lots of this could be avoided with parents more involved with the public education system.

But alas, its just a babysitter for most folk, while they work to put two cars in the garage and hang the big flatscreen on the wall.

Im not juding you @Fig, btw. You a smart dude and you will do whats best for your circumstances and family - no doubts there.

But I dont think retreating from public education is the answer especially in the long-term. The issues need confronted.
 
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To say every home schooled kid is socially awkward is just pure bullshit, its what the public schools want you to believe so you will send your kids to them for the indoctrination to stat in kindergarten. My three youngest kids were all home schooled and they are now all smart well adjusted productive adults that think for themselves without all the socialist bullshit pounded into them for 12 years. It's not easy and takes one hell of a lot of hard work and commitment but in my mind it was worth every minute for my kids to become adults that think for themselves. Public schools don't teach kids what they need to know to be productive members of society, shit I know kids that graduated from high school that cant even balance a checkbook, they're just taught the socialist agenda. You get out of your kids what you put into them and my kids are worth the effort.

I could see the social awkwardness aspects being the parent's fault. around here has homeschoolers have groups for sports and activities.

I will say I would not write all districts off. That said as a parent you have to be extremely watchful of what you are getting yourself and your kids into.

The Republicans not taking up school choice is a huge failure imo. If you give families in urban areas viable alternatives to the rent seeking happening now their lives will improve. It is something Democrats can not give as most charter schools are not union and the Democrats are more loyal to them than ones kids
 
Should get all your property tax money back that supports those parasites plus the other parasites kids. What a racket.

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@oneshot86 - you sir, are proving again what a badass you are. Nice.

Maybe you should invite your movie star doppelgänger to come help insulate and do the drywall. Man him up a bit.

I enjoyed his character on that show. Not infallible, And a good dude with a good moral character.
 
@oneshot86 - you sir, are proving again what a badass you are. Nice.

Maybe you should invite your movie star doppelgänger to come help insulate and do the drywall. Man him up a bit.

I enjoyed his character on that show. Not infallible, And a good dude with a good moral character.

i really dont get along with people for very long...i dunno...
thats all i need is anouther me around, just cant be good for everyone.
he prolly talks too much
rule number 1, if you cant talk and work, you cant talk
 
Im a bit jealous. I work at a desk nowadays.
Wish I had actual work to do.

This is the stuff that makes a man old.
 
I would rephrase that to mean no one is teaching my children they are a racist when they aren't , if schools are not teaching children reading writing and arithmetic they aren't doing what you send your kid to school for cause forcing down a child's throat that there are 200 genders is not a topic I think I would allow my child to learn when it does not lead to a degree they can use to get a job , nor is sensitivity training or socialism propaganda or anti American hate 101 . private or charter schools sound so much better at this point sounds like a blessing . But still having to pay school taxes for an socialist indoctrination center no matter where your kid goes to school will still feel wrong knowing that your money pays for that to happen and that there is nothing you can do to stop it .
 
Well, all four of my boys were in private school last year. Just pulled them out for the semester. Wifey is gonna home school and we'll travel a bit...get them out into the country and teach things like personal finance and history of the constitution. I figure what we'll save in tuition we can spend on a RV and some travel expenses.

While we don't have to deal with the liberal agenda being forced on kids in public school, I didn't see a point in paying the money to have them wear a mask and not have any chance of enjoying themselves in school. Lunch at their desks, no recess, limited physical activity, teachers with face guards on, plastic barriers everywhere. Fuck all that nonsense.