So my wife's grandfather gave me an 1895 Chilean Mauser that i want to turn into a hunting/target rifle.this will be my first build and i am on a budget. we are doing the Dave Ramsey thing with the agreement when we are done i can build my dream gun!!!!! so i am using this to learn the basics. what direction could you give me for a new stock and what barrel should i use. i want to stick with the 7x57 cause i think it is a neat cartridge.
Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
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Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
First, find out how well that Chilean shoots. You'd be surprised.
You can find a number of Mauser drop in stocks. Choate makes a few, B&C make them. Boyds makes really nice wood ones. Richards microfit does as well. Stocky's stocks has nice laminate wood. Just keep checking on the internet and what your price necessity may keep you at.
As far as barrels, you can get a Criterion short chambered for a Mauser, or you can go with a Lothar Walther. My 7x57 has a Lilja Barrel in a Boyd's thumbhole. I've been happy with it for over 2500 rounds. And it still shoots super tight groups.
First, find out how well that Chilean shoots. You'd be surprised.
You can find a number of Mauser drop in stocks. Choate makes a few, B&C make them. Boyds makes really nice wood ones. Richards microfit does as well. Stocky's stocks has nice laminate wood. Just keep checking on the internet and what your price necessity may keep you at.
As far as barrels, you can get a Criterion short chambered for a Mauser, or you can go with a Lothar Walther. My 7x57 has a Lilja Barrel in a Boyd's thumbhole. I've been happy with it for over 2500 rounds. And it still shoots super tight groups.
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
Boyd stock , Bold trigger , cocking piece , lugs done , new factory barrel in the white when I got it and funny story on the scope... When I got this done I had no glass but wanted to shoot her ! I put a tasco 4-12 I yanked from a gunshow score on her and I was at an inch from the get go....I left it there ever since and am now at .5 with handloads . A sheer delight to shoot and I have killed a mule deer , a bear and a coyote with it this year .
Boyd stock , Bold trigger , cocking piece , lugs done , new factory barrel in the white when I got it and funny story on the scope... When I got this done I had no glass but wanted to shoot her ! I put a tasco 4-12 I yanked from a gunshow score on her and I was at an inch from the get go....I left it there ever since and am now at .5 with handloads . A sheer delight to shoot and I have killed a mule deer , a bear and a coyote with it this year .
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
Nice job!
I'm getting ready to "do up" a 24/47 I bought for my son.
What do you think of the Bold trigger?
I was considering a Timney, as trigger replacement seems the best of the options as opposed to the swing safeties I've looked at that require bolt shroud milling...
Does the trigger replacement require bolt shroud work or replacement?
What mounts did you use? I was thinking about an EGW 20 moa rail (use them on a lot of our other rifles), but gotta look into it further.
Nice job!
I'm getting ready to "do up" a 24/47 I bought for my son.
What do you think of the Bold trigger?
I was considering a Timney, as trigger replacement seems the best of the options as opposed to the swing safeties I've looked at that require bolt shroud milling...
Does the trigger replacement require bolt shroud work or replacement?
What mounts did you use? I was thinking about an EGW 20 moa rail (use them on a lot of our other rifles), but gotta look into it further.
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
I think the EGW would be a great option . I just have plain jane Weavers (#20a) I think . As for the Bold , this is my first one and I really enjoy it . 3.5lbs . You will need to inlet the stock of course but I didn't have to do anything with the bolt or rec . Any pressure on the group will give you a headache... Plug and play and for half the price of the Timney a great buy . I could have gone over the top with this as it's easy to do... but hey , this is a meat gun and a great platform for me to experiment with the famed 7x57 .
I think the EGW would be a great option . I just have plain jane Weavers (#20a) I think . As for the Bold , this is my first one and I really enjoy it . 3.5lbs . You will need to inlet the stock of course but I didn't have to do anything with the bolt or rec . Any pressure on the group will give you a headache... Plug and play and for half the price of the Timney a great buy . I could have gone over the top with this as it's easy to do... but hey , this is a meat gun and a great platform for me to experiment with the famed 7x57 .
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
The bold trigger holds its own vs the Timney. For the price it is a good value. The trigger with the side safety is the best option, as the other aftermarket safeties require smithing the bolt shroud and cocking piece, if you mess that up you can have the bolt release when the safety is released. The bold trigger shoe is a bit narrower than the timney but $40 compared to $95 I can get used to it.
If you go Bold, buy it at the same time as your stock, as Randy Boyd must be in competition with Larry Potterfield to see who can charge the most for shipping.
The bold trigger holds its own vs the Timney. For the price it is a good value. The trigger with the side safety is the best option, as the other aftermarket safeties require smithing the bolt shroud and cocking piece, if you mess that up you can have the bolt release when the safety is released. The bold trigger shoe is a bit narrower than the timney but $40 compared to $95 I can get used to it.
If you go Bold, buy it at the same time as your stock, as Randy Boyd must be in competition with Larry Potterfield to see who can charge the most for shipping.
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
If I understand it correctly...
The M24 action is basically the same as the 98 but the action screw spacing is 1/4" larger? So with slight modification, any Mauser 98 stock will work for the M24?
Are all other parts interchangeable?
If I understand it correctly...
The M24 action is basically the same as the 98 but the action screw spacing is 1/4" larger? So with slight modification, any Mauser 98 stock will work for the M24?
Are all other parts interchangeable?
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
The entire action of the M24 is slightly shorter than the 98, so the bolt, firing pin , springs, cocking piece are different. Boyds and Richards make stocks specifically for the Yugo Mausers, I would go that route vs in-letting and trying to get the correct fit. Not matter what you will end up with gaps and then you have to fill in material in the the bottom trigger guard.
Another option is the ATI, now disclaimer, I would never use the top handguard as I think it looks stupid. They are supposed to be adaptable for the yugo one sites part number is MSS1500ATI
Here is an example but not my rifle
Depending on what look you are going for, it may be an option if you toss out the handguard.
Here is a pic of what I am refering to, not my rifle though.
The entire action of the M24 is slightly shorter than the 98, so the bolt, firing pin , springs, cocking piece are different. Boyds and Richards make stocks specifically for the Yugo Mausers, I would go that route vs in-letting and trying to get the correct fit. Not matter what you will end up with gaps and then you have to fill in material in the the bottom trigger guard.
Another option is the ATI, now disclaimer, I would never use the top handguard as I think it looks stupid. They are supposed to be adaptable for the yugo one sites part number is MSS1500ATI
Here is an example but not my rifle
Depending on what look you are going for, it may be an option if you toss out the handguard.
Here is a pic of what I am refering to, not my rifle though.
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
Thanks for the info.
I'll be installing pillars and bedding the receiver, so screwing around with the inletting a little bit is no big deal, a bed of epoxy hides a lot
There seems to be too limited a variety of stocks inletted for the M24, especially for a varmint or bull barrel conversion- not unlike the one in the photo.
Thanks for the info.
I'll be installing pillars and bedding the receiver, so screwing around with the inletting a little bit is no big deal, a bed of epoxy hides a lot
There seems to be too limited a variety of stocks inletted for the M24, especially for a varmint or bull barrel conversion- not unlike the one in the photo.
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
Thanks for the info.
I'll be installing pillars and bedding the receiver, so screwing around with the inletting a little bit is no big deal, a bed of epoxy hides a lot
There seems to be too limited a variety of stocks inletted for the M24, especially for a varmint or bull barrel conversion- not unlike the one in the photo.
And...I wouldn't have any of my rifles in a ATI stock, if it were given to me for free!
Thanks for the info.
I'll be installing pillars and bedding the receiver, so screwing around with the inletting a little bit is no big deal, a bed of epoxy hides a lot
There seems to be too limited a variety of stocks inletted for the M24, especially for a varmint or bull barrel conversion- not unlike the one in the photo.
And...I wouldn't have any of my rifles in a ATI stock, if it were given to me for free!
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
To the OP, you say it's a 1895 Chilean? Could you post some pictures of the action and bolt face? That should be a small ring pre 98 action and is substantially different to what folks refer to when they say "Mauser". It is a cock on closing bolt rather than cock on opening like the 98 Mauser and nearly all other bolt actions. Altering the bolt handle requires more finnese than a 98 as you must not get into the small groove at the base of the handle and it's easier to overheat the bolt. That being said if it's not an extremely nice original example, have fun and I look forward to seeing it.
To the OP, you say it's a 1895 Chilean? Could you post some pictures of the action and bolt face? That should be a small ring pre 98 action and is substantially different to what folks refer to when they say "Mauser". It is a cock on closing bolt rather than cock on opening like the 98 Mauser and nearly all other bolt actions. Altering the bolt handle requires more finnese than a 98 as you must not get into the small groove at the base of the handle and it's easier to overheat the bolt. That being said if it's not an extremely nice original example, have fun and I look forward to seeing it.
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
Wow! This thread took off when I wasn't watching.
Anyhow,
Wannashootit,
The 24/47 is what is called an 'intermediate, <span style="text-decoration: line-through">small ring </span>action' <span style="color: #3333FF">{corrected, large ring}</span> Intermediate means like roggom said, the reciever, bolt, firing pin, f.p. spring, are all shortened about 1/4". So you will want to specify Yugo 24/47. Because, they also made the M48 series which are 'intermediate, large ring' actions. The length between screws is the same but the diameter of the action is larger by about 1/8th" between a small ring and large ring.
You can tell '98 small rings from large rings because the front ring sticks out from the side rail on a large ring.
'92's, 93's, 94's, '95's (OP's) and 96's (Swede) are the same length as '98's but have the small ring front diameter. But the big tell-tale is that they don't have a third lug on the bolt. That lug is about 1-1/2" forward of the bolt handle. It doesn't lock anything, it's there for safety in case both of the front lugs let go.
There is a world of stuff to explain on Mausers, so I'd suggest getting at least one book on them, "<span style="text-decoration: underline">Mauser: Military Rifles of the World</span>"
To the OP, you've got a good one. I've never run across a DWM or Loewe that wasn't good. Make sure it doesn't have an OVS stamp on the left side of the front ring!
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<span style="color: #FF0000">roggom, I like that stock on there. Where did you get it?</span>
Wow! This thread took off when I wasn't watching.
Anyhow,
Wannashootit,
The 24/47 is what is called an 'intermediate, <span style="text-decoration: line-through">small ring </span>action' <span style="color: #3333FF">{corrected, large ring}</span> Intermediate means like roggom said, the reciever, bolt, firing pin, f.p. spring, are all shortened about 1/4". So you will want to specify Yugo 24/47. Because, they also made the M48 series which are 'intermediate, large ring' actions. The length between screws is the same but the diameter of the action is larger by about 1/8th" between a small ring and large ring.
You can tell '98 small rings from large rings because the front ring sticks out from the side rail on a large ring.
'92's, 93's, 94's, '95's (OP's) and 96's (Swede) are the same length as '98's but have the small ring front diameter. But the big tell-tale is that they don't have a third lug on the bolt. That lug is about 1-1/2" forward of the bolt handle. It doesn't lock anything, it's there for safety in case both of the front lugs let go.
There is a world of stuff to explain on Mausers, so I'd suggest getting at least one book on them, "<span style="text-decoration: underline">Mauser: Military Rifles of the World</span>"
To the OP, you've got a good one. I've never run across a DWM or Loewe that wasn't good. Make sure it doesn't have an OVS stamp on the left side of the front ring!
edit:
<span style="color: #FF0000">roggom, I like that stock on there. Where did you get it?</span>
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
Oh that one is not mine, It is just an example of the ATI stock without the silly space invader handguard. Mine sits in a Boyds stock and is an Antelope getter.
K.Kale Turk:
Timney Trigger
D&T Leuppy ring and base
Redfield revolution 4-12
Boyds Classic stock
I had a guy re-thread and set back a 7 mag bbl to 7x57. With the 1:9.25 twist I can stabilize 120-140 gn'rs with excellence.
Oh that one is not mine, It is just an example of the ATI stock without the silly space invader handguard. Mine sits in a Boyds stock and is an Antelope getter.
K.Kale Turk:
Timney Trigger
D&T Leuppy ring and base
Redfield revolution 4-12
Boyds Classic stock
I had a guy re-thread and set back a 7 mag bbl to 7x57. With the 1:9.25 twist I can stabilize 120-140 gn'rs with excellence.
Re: Ideas for 7x57mm Mauser project
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh that one is not mine, It is just an example of the ATI stock without the silly space invader handguard. Mine sits in a Boyds stock and is an Antelope getter.
K.Kale Turk:
Timney Trigger
D&T Leuppy ring and base
Redfield revolution 4-12
Boyds Classic stock
I had a guy re-thread and set back a 7 mag bbl to 7x57. With the 1:9.25 twist I can stabilize 120-140 gn'rs with excellence. </div></div>
You could stabilize Berger 180's. My 7x57 (the target gun) shoots 168's into little groups with a 1-10" twist. My hunting 7x57 is a 1-12" twist Douglas and it shoots MOA with 140's @ 300 yds.
On 7mm's and twist. I had to laugh about when I bought the donor action for my 7mm-08. It was a Stevens 200. Well, I had gone to the Savage website to find the twist. They said 1-9.25. So, I load up some Hornady 162's. They are all over the place!! So I measure the twist this time. It comes out as 1-11.5" or 1-12"??? I go back to the website and sure enough, the Stevens 200 has the 1-11.5".
So, I'm walking out to the 300 yd line later that Spring, and here's an intact bullet laying on the ground. Sure enough it's a 162. It was one of the bullets that had hit a snowbank on the way out to the 300. At 300 yds, the vertical separation of these unstabilized bullets was better than 8 ft.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh that one is not mine, It is just an example of the ATI stock without the silly space invader handguard. Mine sits in a Boyds stock and is an Antelope getter.
K.Kale Turk:
Timney Trigger
D&T Leuppy ring and base
Redfield revolution 4-12
Boyds Classic stock
I had a guy re-thread and set back a 7 mag bbl to 7x57. With the 1:9.25 twist I can stabilize 120-140 gn'rs with excellence. </div></div>
You could stabilize Berger 180's. My 7x57 (the target gun) shoots 168's into little groups with a 1-10" twist. My hunting 7x57 is a 1-12" twist Douglas and it shoots MOA with 140's @ 300 yds.
On 7mm's and twist. I had to laugh about when I bought the donor action for my 7mm-08. It was a Stevens 200. Well, I had gone to the Savage website to find the twist. They said 1-9.25. So, I load up some Hornady 162's. They are all over the place!! So I measure the twist this time. It comes out as 1-11.5" or 1-12"??? I go back to the website and sure enough, the Stevens 200 has the 1-11.5".
So, I'm walking out to the 300 yd line later that Spring, and here's an intact bullet laying on the ground. Sure enough it's a 162. It was one of the bullets that had hit a snowbank on the way out to the 300. At 300 yds, the vertical separation of these unstabilized bullets was better than 8 ft.
