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I cannot recall how many times i read on the net and see on the tv ( when i watch tv ) about all the violence down their in Arizona,Texas and New Mexico.

Well i remember reading or watch about a sheriff who told every one in his.. iam not sure if it was county or town to simply leave.. or stay their at their own risk because he simply didnt have the man or fire power to protect them from the violence spewing across the border.

my question to you all tonight is.. if you got a message like that from your local authorities, and you lived their on the border or where ever, what would you do out of the interest for your family ?

Now before i hear allot of rambo type replies ( we all have some john rambo in us so no offense ) think about it for a second... its not like one or two vandals, i mean i have read where two or even 3 truck loads of drug runners with all sorts of weapons from hk g3's and 33's and just all kinds of stuff cross those borders as well as a group of mexicans called the "coyotes" what ever that means are just going back and forth across the borders at night and what ever.

so with that rumbling threw your mind, would you stay... or just cross your fingers and hope not to have to deal with it ? not looking for a specific answer just more or less asking to ask it
 
#3
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you still don't have that spell checker running huh?


You don't know what a coyote is? It's a person who traffics people across the borders for money.....
 
#4
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If it were my land, I wanted budge. Stand your ground against all odds. Being a family man myself, I may have my wife and daughter stay with relatives until the situation improved. Not trying to be rambo, just saying what's mine is mine. I could get a few of my brothers from my old platoon to come down and support my operations as well. The coyotes are the guides that smuggle the illegals across the border by the way.
 
#7
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spell checker is on their and there... I don't have a grammar checker how ever
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no i didnt know that a coyote was the smuggler... every thing i ask means i dont know.. just like with the mag clamp questions and every one before this one tonight (just saying not being rude).

i feel the same way, i pay the taxes, the land is mine, i am going to hold it down... how ever i need some tactics so, hopefully some schooling soon.
 
#8
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not much to the tactics....id be willing to bet the drug runners have little to no proper training, thus they are masters of the spray and pray. stay at distance, take calculated well aimed shots and eliminate the threat.
 
#9
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackal_5_Actual</div><div class="ubbcode-body">not much to the tactics....id be willing to bet the drug runners have little to no proper training, thus they are masters of the spray and pray. stay at distance, take calculated well aimed shots and eliminate the threat. </div></div>

ill get on that after i finish pissing my self from bullets coming at me. lol
 
#10
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I suppose I would keep myself well armed while at home... Avoid walking the property until things got better and only leave the house when necessary... Sure as hell wouldn't pack up and leave...
 
#11
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I know many people balk at the thought of civies wanting body armor but the way it's getting down there I'd definitely have some plate carriers on hand. Then again I don't know if I'd want to live within the 50 miles to the border zone. last time I went to Texas on vacation that area just seemed like the shit hole Mexico is. My GF and I plan to move to Texas in a year or two. Theirs no way in hell I'd give up my shit to anybody ever for any reason. Thieves and thugs need to die!
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr blasty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know many people balk at the thought of civies wanting body armor but the way it's getting down there I'd definitely have some plate carriers on hand. Then again I don't know if I'd want to live within the 50 miles to the border zone. last time I went to Texas on vacation that area just seemed like the shit hole Mexico is. My GF and I plan to move to Texas in a year or two. Theirs no way in hell I'd give up my shit to anybody ever for any reason. Thieves and thugs need to die! </div></div>

did it seem like a pretty bad place ? i would like to visit austin texas some time
 
#14
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Texas is freaking awesome! The border area just seemed slummy as hell. I was there about 5 years or so ago so it was a hell of a lot safer then.
 
#15
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Austin is no where near the border..... </div></div>

thank god.

man the border sounds like the ghetto... no way i would go their. i cannot believe its so bad down their, so much for boarder patrol
 
#16
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The border is not "Ghetto". Some of the most beautiful parts of the state are along the border, and the culture down deep south is very rich. You should actually visit the border towns before making any conclusions.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackal_5_Actual</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd be willing to bet the drug runners have little to no proper training, thus they are masters of the spray and pray.</div></div>

Don't bet your life on that. You'd lose. Many of them are Zetas, which are 'retired' Mexican army SF, well trained and well equipped. About a week ago, a Mexican rancher got into a full-on gunfight with the cartel at his ranch. He'd been told to leave, and refused. He sent his family away, fortified his house as well as possible, and had guns and ammo at every window. Held them off a while too, killed at least four of them and probably more. (Authorities found four bodies and more bloody areas.) But they got him, probably through firepower,numbers, and persistance.
God rest his soul, he was a brave man standing up for what was his, and it got him killed. He probably knew that going in and did it anyway.

I'll see if I can find a link to the story. It's in Spanish, though.

EDIT: Found a CNN link in English, here: Brave Man


1911fan
 
#18
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this is silly. This should not be a question. In TX of all places?

God, it is amazing how stupid our country is willing to behave at the altar of political correctness.

Simple common sense would put these people into the ground and out of business, at least on our side of the border in about a month. Fucking absurd.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackal_5_Actual</div><div class="ubbcode-body">not much to the tactics....id be willing to bet the drug runners have little to no proper training, thus they are masters of the spray and pray. stay at distance, take calculated well aimed shots and eliminate the threat. </div></div>

It would be dangerous to assume that you are stronger than your enemy. Never underestimate ones will, numbers, firepower, and tactics.
 
#21
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The media is over playing violence, they are pointing the masses away from our Country and our issues, a dog and a M2 would be good insurance though.
 
#22
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Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu!
He has stated numerous times he does not have the manpower or firepower to patrol or control the border area in Pinal County.

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#23
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">God, it is amazing how stupid our country is willing to behave at the altar of political correctness.</div></div>

The obvious indifference by the government on this issue goes much deeper than simple political correctness.

The border is being ignored because the ultimate agenda is for the border to disappear entirely.

Call me a conspiracy theory cook, but I do believe there is a plan to eventually unite the nations on this continent in an EU style union.

The greatest export Mexico has to offer is poverty. And we're importing it like it’s going out of style.
 
#24
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US land is US land,...If nobody else is willing to protect the good folks that own the property then,... Shoot, Shovel, an Shut up will become the norm, again. That has worked all through out our history, and will correct this problem as well.
 
#25
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Border Enforcement is stronger now than it has ever been. That is why you are seeing so much violence. The cartels are desperate to feed Americans with the drugs they so desperately need to consume. They are also now controlling most of the human trafficking to make up for them money they are loosing in the drug trade thanks to the tremendous efforts made by CBP and BP men and women on the line.

If you indulge in the drug culture, you are partially responsible for all the bloodshed it causes. If Americans want to fix this problem, they need to put down the bong before they pick up a rifle.
 
#26
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John Rambo here-

I live in an area just south of Phoenix. Believe it or not, some of the run off is making it up here. Within less than a mile of my house, we had a decapitation a few weeks back. Suspects fled back across the border and are members of a drug cartel. It is believed that the victim owed them $$. There are kidnappings, murders, blackmail and anything you can think of happening daily by undocumented illegals.

It gets worse the farther south (closer to the border that you get). As you all know, property owners and ranchers across the border are routinely robbed, extorted and even murdered. As bad as it is in southern AZ... Juarez/El Paso are worse.

I just made the drive back from Yuma last weekend. The majority of the drive is on I-8. There was only one checkpoint right outside of Yuma city limits, and I only saw one other BP stakeout on a hill top during the rest of the 3 hour drive. We are undermanned. Even when gaurd troops assist BP, they can't intercept illegals or enforce laws unless directly ordered to do so. They're mainly there for show.

To answer the question above... I would absolutely stand my ground. Especially as things are today. Even if I lived in a border city like Nogales. If things got completely out of control, I may send my family to stay with relatives, but I would not back down. I look at it from the perspective that our nation is being invaded by illegal criminals. Our government has yet to do anything about it. If civilians and private organizations do absolutely nothing but stand by and watch, our nation will become a war zone where the cartels' fight to control drug territories and they will continue to move north. Soon the southwestern states would have similar a situation as Colombia or Mexico where government officials are being controlled by the cartels.

If we can't secure our border against drug running assassination squads who come over for a hit then return back across the border, isn't that a green light for terr!ori$t$????
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crazy bay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackal_5_Actual</div><div class="ubbcode-body">not much to the tactics....id be willing to bet the drug runners have little to no proper training, thus they are masters of the spray and pray. stay at distance, take calculated well aimed shots and eliminate the threat. </div></div>

It would be dangerous to assume that you are stronger than your enemy. Never underestimate ones will, numbers, firepower, and tactics.</div></div>

Never underestimate the power of a Marine infantryman and his rifle. Been there done that.
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Socalsheepdog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Border Enforcement is stronger now than it has ever been. That is why you are seeing so much violence. The cartels are desperate to feed Americans with the drugs they so desperately need to consume. They are also now controlling most of the human trafficking to make up for them money they are loosing in the drug trade thanks to the tremendous efforts made by CBP and BP men and women on the line.

If you indulge in the drug culture, you are partially responsible for all the bloodshed it causes. If Americans want to fix this problem, they need to put down the bong before they pick up a rifle. </div></div>

this took the words out of my mouth... so many people want to fight the drug dealers yet they buy their drugs, if you want to throw your money away, at least spend it on ammo so i can drive the drug dealers out of my country.

better yet let me cease your assets and you go live with the drug dealers
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gunslotreaper308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">John Rambo here-

I live in an area just south of Phoenix. Believe it or not, some of the run off is making it up here. Within less than a mile of my house, we had a decapitation a few weeks back. Suspects fled back across the border and are members of a drug cartel. It is believed that the victim owed them $$. There are kidnappings, murders, blackmail and anything you can think of happening daily by undocumented illegals.

It gets worse the farther south (closer to the border that you get). As you all know, property owners and ranchers across the border are routinely robbed, extorted and even murdered. As bad as it is in southern AZ... Juarez/El Paso are worse.

I just made the drive back from Yuma last weekend. The majority of the drive is on I-8. There was only one checkpoint right outside of Yuma city limits, and I only saw one other BP stakeout on a hill top during the rest of the 3 hour drive. We are undermanned. Even when gaurd troops assist BP, they can't intercept illegals or enforce laws unless directly ordered to do so. They're mainly there for show.

To answer the question above... I would absolutely stand my ground. Especially as things are today. Even if I lived in a border city like Nogales. If things got completely out of control, I may send my family to stay with relatives, but I would not back down. I look at it from the perspective that our nation is being invaded by illegal criminals. Our government has yet to do anything about it. If civilians and private organizations do absolutely nothing but stand by and watch, our nation will become a war zone where the cartels' fight to control drug territories and they will continue to move north. Soon the southwestern states would have similar a situation as Colombia or Mexico where government officials are being controlled by the cartels.

If we can't secure our border against drug running assassination squads who come over for a hit then return back across the border, isn't that a green light for terr!ori$t$????
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ya it is a green light for terrorists, we are fighting the war on terrorists right ? they why not start by closing the borders down first ?

Honestly and not to ruffle any feathers just personal opinion, i dont give two $h!ts what is going on in the middle east if the people over their cannot get a grip f*ck em its not my country... get the troops back here close down that effing boarder before it gets to out of hand.
 
#30
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this really bothers me the more i think about it, while i sit here and type away on the computer people could be getting killed down their, people could be invading our country, real honest to god terrorists, i mean every thing about what is going on down their screams "Attention" patriots should be massing down their in droves to shut whats happening down and turn it off completely.
 
#31
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Very difficult proposition to stop the violence here at the border.
1. It is easy for the cartels to inflict damage and violence on U.S. citizens and hop back over the border.
2. If you attempt to defend yourself (even if you are L.E. or BP) you will end up in court if you are lucky and in jail for years if not. Just ask Ramos and Compean.
http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/
3. You being a normal citizen have to work for a living, have a family to support and protect, and can not sit on guard or move around to protect yourself. Drug cartels have LOTS of money to send ruthless assassins by the boat load to "get you out of the way"

What this means is without a huge amount of long term help and a tremendous amount of luck, you will end up dead, broke, or in jail.

We are giving illegal aliens college tuition here in Kalifornia cheaper than a citizen that is a resident of Arizona. Tell me that isn't messed up
 
#32
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i live in tucson,az and where i coyote hunt about 35 mile north of the u.s. line and we have ran into people walking from mexico to tucson and have yet to have anything go bad . we even ran into five guy caring bails of weed and we just stop them till the black hawk showed up , and they just sat there
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I cannot recall how many times i read on the net and see on the tv ( when i watch tv ) about all the violence down their in Arizona,Texas and New Mexico.

Well i remember reading or watch about a sheriff who told every one in his.. iam not sure if it was county or town to simply leave.. or stay their at their own risk because he simply didnt have the man or fire power to protect them from the violence spewing across the border.

my question to you all tonight is.. if you got a message like that from your local authorities, and you lived their on the border or where ever, what would you do out of the interest for your family ?

Now before i hear allot of rambo type replies ( we all have some john rambo in us so no offense ) think about it for a second... its not like one or two vandals, i mean i have read where two or even 3 truck loads of drug runners with all sorts of weapons from hk g3's and 33's and just all kinds of stuff cross those borders as well as a group of mexicans called the "coyotes" what ever that means are just going back and forth across the borders at night and what ever.

so with that rumbling threw your mind, would you stay... or just cross your fingers and hope not to have to deal with it ? not looking for a specific answer just more or less asking to ask it </div></div>

their = people

there = places
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcfd2201</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu!
He has stated numerous times he does not have the manpower or firepower to patrol or control the border area in Pinal County.

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</div></div>

Pinal county has no connection with the Mexiscum border, why the concern ??
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that RED area is Pinal Co., South of that is Pima Co. which really does have a very long border with Mexiscum.

personally i would love to do some hunting down there along the border, the "coyotes" are plentiful and their pack also is rich with targets of opportunity !

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#35
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I think that when the day comes that being armed at home does not assure my family's safety and LE is telling me it's all up to me or the road, well, I'm pretty sure I'm living on the wrong piece of property.

Probaby wouldn't have much trouble selling the land. There's likely enough fire-breathers right here on this forum who'd be just dyin' to buy my property and indulge their itch to smoke some illegals.

...and I don't even live within a thousand miles of the 'disputed zone'.

But my Wife did, her Dad's family has spent generations in Falfurrias, working on the King Ranch along with the Longorias, and they've all done a lot of shopping in Reynosa. That was then. This is now, Dad lives in Florida. The rest of the family is plain crazy, and being TexMex doesn't seem to do anything for their level of safety.

The Feds have 40K folks on the ground, spend $45+ BILLion annually on securing the border, and nobody seems to be able to tell whether we're gaining or losing.

The one thing I know about all this is that I don't know my a** friom my elbow on this issue. Awful glad my big border worry involves Canadians.

Greg
 
#36
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Pardon me, but who ever it was that said the Texas border is the same as the sh$t hole slums of mexico, has never seen a mexican slum nor the Texas border. I live about 4 miles from the port of entry in Del Rio, Texas. This area is very beautiful, clean and historic. And just fyi Austin is the most liberal city in Texas, true Texans have left that city years ago when it was labeled the mini San Fransico. You want to see true Texas cities go to San Antonio, Dallas, Amarillo, MacAllan Corpus Cristi, Galveston. and many others.
SO Dear Sir, think before, you speak!
 
#37
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I was simply letting the OP know who the Sheriff was that stated that. I realize that Pinal county is not on the border and Pima has the majority of shared border with Mexiscum (like that btw). Apparently they traffic corridor runs right through the middle of Pinal county and that is why they have a problem as well even thought they aren't on the border.

A few years ago I went to hunt on a friends ranch in Zapata Texas. Just outside of Zapata I stopped to take a leak on the side of the highway. I walked around to the back corner of my truck and proceeded to start releiving myself. Out of the darkness and brush I started seeing something come towards me. It turned out to be several illegals. I yelled for my friend in my trucka nd he got out with his pistol and they retreated. I told the story to my buddy that has the ranch and he replied I was lucky. There have been numerous times where they have assaulted people and taken their vehicles. Oil field workers are now supposed to have two people in a truck when they are going through gates and out into well sites just for that reason. I still enjoy hunting south Texas but I am more cautious and aware of my surroundings.
 
#38
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Texas/Mexican border. Can be one of the prettiest places in the state!

Feel safer out there than most other large cities in the US.
 
#39
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yes people are getting killed but they are some way mixed in with drugs, if you dont have nothing to do with them they are not going to mess with you . the group that we came across was lost and did not have any food or water . one of them said he's just doing his job to feed his wife and kids and didnt like what he had to do .if you are lost in the middle of no where and three guys walk up on you two with ar15 and with a rem 700 and shotguns and you have been walking for two day with no water your not going to fight your just going to sit there
 
#41
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we see lots of them out here in the dunes west of Yuma,about 2 miles to Mexico in some places. 2 years ago a Coyote/Drug Smuggler ran a road block at a desert recreation area and ran over a BP Agent,killing him. We don;t camp out there without some armament even in the PR of Kalifornia.
 
#45
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There were so many off road truggy buggy etc. shops out here in the off road capitol of the world
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Now you know what town I live in.
Almost every one of these shops have closed in the last 4 to 5 years. Have not been to buttercup or Glamis in years.
 
#46
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There were so many off road truggy buggy etc. shops out here in the off road capitol of the world
smile.gif
Now you know what town I live in.
Almost every one of these shops have closed in the last 4 to 5 years. Have not been to buttercup or Glamis in years. </div></div>

Yeah only a few of the Pioneers,Funco,Alumicraft etc are still plugging along. Desert Racer manufacturers,Penhall,Geiser,Arciero etc are busier than ever.Go figure.
 
#48
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The border patrol higher up are a joke, You have to be so political correct in everything you do that you cant do what you are sapose to do. Discharge your weapon and go to jail, so why carry any? for show or what. Signs put all along the border stating ANY person entering the U.S.A. Will BE Shot on sight. But we all know that will never happen. It's a real shame the bleeding heart liberals are in charge and are getting kick backs out of drug sales ok i will shout up. MM
 
#49
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackal_5_Actual</div><div class="ubbcode-body">not much to the tactics....id be willing to bet the drug runners have little to no proper training, thus they are masters of the spray and pray. stay at distance, take calculated well aimed shots and eliminate the threat. </div></div>

Read on MSNBC or Fox News within the last few weeks that a group of Mexican "police" were put through SF Phase training at Fort Bragg. In appreciation for the chunk of money the US invested in their training, upon their return to Mexico they all quit their LE positions, took out the local drug kingpin, and took over his drug operation. So now you have a group of individuals trained to train indigenous personnel in paramilitary operations. I'm not saying they'll turn out US operator grade folks, but probably a bit better than the "spray & pray" variety.

Edit: used my google fu, looks like the article I read only told part of the story (I know, that rarely happens in the media). Looks like the Los Zetas were the object of this piece & this has been going on for years....same result though.
 
#50
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Here is an interesting link,I know most in the LE Community are against this,but the Citizens are getting pretty frustrated with the porous border in the Southern USA.

http://www.texasbordervolunteers.org/home.php

Seems the talk over "Other than Mexicans" and Central Americans using our Southern Border is true.I imagine a would be terrorist could arm themselves pretty well in Mexico before heading into "Estados Unidos".
 
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